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jcc
Profile Joined January 2011
United States472 Posts
August 30 2012 04:21 GMT
#81
It's true, viktor's wave clear is op, Soniv #1 tower defender lol
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Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
August 30 2012 04:22 GMT
#82
Teemo
Toxic Shot
Fixed: Poison damage now works correctly at higher Attack Speeds

occured this bug again? Was fixed ages ago or am I wrong?
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MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
August 30 2012 04:25 GMT
#83
They keep saying its been fixed but it probably still hasn't been
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Fuzzmosis
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada752 Posts
August 30 2012 04:26 GMT
#84
On August 30 2012 13:10 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 13:03 Fuzzmosis wrote:
Chiharu, I'm still waiting for Twitch FOM.

I still love him, but you gotta remember: His harass is an auto attack and then.... another auto attack every 5 seconds or it's wasted. The mana change was definately to encourage W+E or auto attack + E harass, which still puts him behind a Graves/EZ/Ashe/MF/Trist...(You get the idea) harass, but improvements are nice, and his harassment is undodgable. I still see 2 more buffs incomming before he's no longer playing Hearts with Karma, Heimer and Sejuani.

Again, hope I'm wrong. Been waiting a year to see Twitch get played as a serious contender.


Most likely, you're going to have to wait until Season 3 before we see teams test the waters again with new champions. There's a reason why ADs have bogged down to Corkis and Ezreals, lol.

There's are plenty of "hidden" OPs atm. My votes go for Twitch, Kat, and Jayce.


I felt I made old Twitch Lane work, but my solution didn't work for new Twitch, and he needs to lane. A lot of my frustration is that the change modified his playstyle significantly.
I'm From Canada, so they think I'm slow, eh?
Feartheguru
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1334 Posts
August 30 2012 04:28 GMT
#85
On August 30 2012 13:25 MooMooMugi wrote:
They keep saying its been fixed but it probably still hasn't been


Before it was just broken period, now only at high attack speeds.
Don't sweat the petty stuff, don't pet the sweaty stuff.
R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
August 30 2012 04:30 GMT
#86
On August 30 2012 13:20 zer0das wrote:
The more I played Twitch, the more I feel like he suffers from Caitlyn syndrome- if you fall behind, there's not much you can do. And unlike Caitlyn, his range is pretty meh without his ult. I think he's strong, but that sort of weakness means people will shy away from him anyways.


I disagree with your viewpoint. Twitch has the steroids (Passive, Q, R) to keep his relevancy in the game if he falls behind. His range is prohibitive of allowing him to initiate a skirmish if he happens to be behind, but he still does good damage when you're protected in the back of your team attacking their front line. + the element of surprise never hurts.

Twitch needs a support that can protect him because of his lack of repositioning. I think that's more the reason why he's not played much.
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Feartheguru
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1334 Posts
August 30 2012 04:31 GMT
#87
On August 30 2012 13:26 Fuzzmosis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 13:10 NeoIllusions wrote:
On August 30 2012 13:03 Fuzzmosis wrote:
Chiharu, I'm still waiting for Twitch FOM.

I still love him, but you gotta remember: His harass is an auto attack and then.... another auto attack every 5 seconds or it's wasted. The mana change was definately to encourage W+E or auto attack + E harass, which still puts him behind a Graves/EZ/Ashe/MF/Trist...(You get the idea) harass, but improvements are nice, and his harassment is undodgable. I still see 2 more buffs incomming before he's no longer playing Hearts with Karma, Heimer and Sejuani.

Again, hope I'm wrong. Been waiting a year to see Twitch get played as a serious contender.


Most likely, you're going to have to wait until Season 3 before we see teams test the waters again with new champions. There's a reason why ADs have bogged down to Corkis and Ezreals, lol.

There's are plenty of "hidden" OPs atm. My votes go for Twitch, Kat, and Jayce.


I felt I made old Twitch Lane work, but my solution didn't work for new Twitch, and he needs to lane. A lot of my frustration is that the change modified his playstyle significantly.


His super strong non-skill shot instant team wide super slow got turned into a piece of garbage and his cloak spell got gutted for some mediocre buffs (and other small nerfs) when he was already a poor champion, no surprise he's garbage now.
Don't sweat the petty stuff, don't pet the sweaty stuff.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
August 30 2012 04:34 GMT
#88
Man is there any merit to ap rengar?

keep seeing people doing it, when only w scales off ap
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Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
August 30 2012 04:35 GMT
#89
On August 30 2012 13:26 Fuzzmosis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 13:10 NeoIllusions wrote:
On August 30 2012 13:03 Fuzzmosis wrote:
Chiharu, I'm still waiting for Twitch FOM.

I still love him, but you gotta remember: His harass is an auto attack and then.... another auto attack every 5 seconds or it's wasted. The mana change was definately to encourage W+E or auto attack + E harass, which still puts him behind a Graves/EZ/Ashe/MF/Trist...(You get the idea) harass, but improvements are nice, and his harassment is undodgable. I still see 2 more buffs incomming before he's no longer playing Hearts with Karma, Heimer and Sejuani.

Again, hope I'm wrong. Been waiting a year to see Twitch get played as a serious contender.


Most likely, you're going to have to wait until Season 3 before we see teams test the waters again with new champions. There's a reason why ADs have bogged down to Corkis and Ezreals, lol.

There's are plenty of "hidden" OPs atm. My votes go for Twitch, Kat, and Jayce.


I felt I made old Twitch Lane work, but my solution didn't work for new Twitch, and he needs to lane. A lot of my frustration is that the change modified his playstyle significantly.

Twitch is one of those champions I feel now really needs a duo-queue or arranged 5s to properly work. He was a nightmare in testing and so hard to balance right. He's in an interesting spot right now, but he really needs team co-ordination around him rather than the brainless Corki/Ez/Graves play where you can almost play the lane yourself with your support just showing presence for you and not needing to actually be good. As Neo has said, there's no real will to experiment with him in the pro-scene. Too much fear over the Regionals and Worlds. I personally feel that teams should be experimenting like mad scientists in order to get as much of an edge that they can to win. But I guess the scene is not mature enough for that to happen yet.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
August 30 2012 04:40 GMT
#90
On August 30 2012 13:34 arb wrote:
Man is there any merit to ap rengar?

keep seeing people doing it, when only w scales off ap


W Fero-W, hurts.
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sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-30 04:43:48
August 30 2012 04:42 GMT
#91
I really don't like the new Dark Valkyrie Diana.

AP Rengar seems like AP sion. Run up to someone, nuke the snot out of them, back off before they can properly trade with you. Later on, you get dfg, stealth into a teamfight, attempt to oneshot the carry, and back off.
zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
August 30 2012 04:48 GMT
#92
I really don't see how you're doing to do ANYTHING as AP Rengar when people don't die from a 2xW combo? Sure, lichbane and DFG for more burst, but W has a pretty long CD, and you're going to be really squishy so Q off to charge up for another W isn't going to be feasible.
Celestial
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States652 Posts
August 30 2012 04:55 GMT
#93
On August 30 2012 13:48 zodde wrote:
I really don't see how you're doing to do ANYTHING as AP Rengar when people don't die from a 2xW combo? Sure, lichbane and DFG for more burst, but W has a pretty long CD, and you're going to be really squishy so Q off to charge up for another W isn't going to be feasible.


I'm pretty sure there was an AP Rengar in one of IPL's games today that wasn't a rerun and with just Kage's Pick and Sorc he did half of a Rumble's HP with just double W. You effectively restore 15% hp trading and continue doing so for harassment, later the damage build up is good enough to nuke carries. You're more a pure assassin than a bruiser and should focus on isolation. It's pretty legit.
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
August 30 2012 04:58 GMT
#94
Dude, ad sona is new op ranged carry
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
August 30 2012 05:09 GMT
#95
On August 30 2012 13:42 sylverfyre wrote:
I really don't like the new Dark Valkyrie Diana.

AP Rengar seems like AP sion. Run up to someone, nuke the snot out of them, back off before they can properly trade with you. Later on, you get dfg, stealth into a teamfight, attempt to oneshot the carry, and back off.


You are not the only one.

I was planning to buy DVD, but now I am pretty damned sure I won't.
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sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-30 05:13:36
August 30 2012 05:10 GMT
#96
On August 30 2012 14:09 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 13:42 sylverfyre wrote:
I really don't like the new Dark Valkyrie Diana.

AP Rengar seems like AP sion. Run up to someone, nuke the snot out of them, back off before they can properly trade with you. Later on, you get dfg, stealth into a teamfight, attempt to oneshot the carry, and back off.


You are not the only one.

I was planning to buy DVD, but now I am pretty damned sure I won't.

I'm severely tempted to demand my RP back for the bundle.

Meanwhile, @ AP Rengarland, I bet Riot's going to nerf the AP ratio to like 0.6, instead of nerfing it to like 0.9 (Like Sion, who does basically the same thing with the "1-2-outofburst.) and still leave AP as an option. Sion even was "supposed" to be a melee champ.

Let some emergent behavior fly, Riot. Please?
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
August 30 2012 05:15 GMT
#97
On August 30 2012 13:30 R04R wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 13:20 zer0das wrote:
The more I played Twitch, the more I feel like he suffers from Caitlyn syndrome- if you fall behind, there's not much you can do. And unlike Caitlyn, his range is pretty meh without his ult. I think he's strong, but that sort of weakness means people will shy away from him anyways.


I disagree with your viewpoint. Twitch has the steroids (Passive, Q, R) to keep his relevancy in the game if he falls behind.


Not really seeing why you think steroids help keep him relevant (pretty much every ranged AD that isn't Ashe has one... even Cait has her passive)? Yeah his ult is nice, but if you have to burn to even be the slighest bit relevant, that's a problem. His inability to reposition himself is the reason why if he falls behind he's really bad. If you get in a dicey situation, it is pretty hard to get out if they have an oracles/vision ward, and given how close you have to be without your ult, that happens pretty often.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
August 30 2012 05:21 GMT
#98
Hmmm.,..

TheRainman is playing AP Rengar right now and beating a Riven in lane with a Pantheon camping him.

o.o

That looks pretty strong actually.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
August 30 2012 05:23 GMT
#99
Someone made a thread about it yesterday on reddit. Dyrus endorsed it too, called it OPbroken. Wouldn't be surprised if Riot nerfs it.

I think the logic behind it goes that Rengar has a 1.0 AP ratio on W which is refreshable so basically he has a 2.0 AP ratio skill. Combine with DFG rush and he can throw down some really scary burst.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
August 30 2012 05:25 GMT
#100
On August 30 2012 14:23 overt wrote:
Someone made a thread about it yesterday on reddit. Dyrus endorsed it too, called it OPbroken. Wouldn't be surprised if Riot nerfs it.

I think the logic behind it goes that Rengar has a 1.0 AP ratio on W which is refreshable so basically he has a 2.0 AP ratio skill. Combine with DFG rush and he can throw down some really scary burst.


Yeah, he went kages then rushed a Gunblade, his team falling apart and he is making stupid plays, but that looks silly strong in lane.
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