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On August 30 2012 10:17 justiceknight wrote:
any1 has a pic of how far does abyssal's range is cos i dont understand how the distance values work n LoL.And those AD carry nerfs T_T, not sure whether i will buy graves or just keep corki and ez.
600 range of Abyssal means that Ashe can auto attack further than Abyssal reaches. Which means that practically any skill shot will be outside of Abyssal range. Ryze's Q has 50 more range than Abyssal reaches now lol.
Essentially if you build it on anyone that isn't Amumu, Galio, maybe Kennen it's probably a waste. Oh and Malphite.
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On August 30 2012 10:21 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 10:17 justiceknight wrote:
any1 has a pic of how far does abyssal's range is cos i dont understand how the distance values work n LoL.And those AD carry nerfs T_T, not sure whether i will buy graves or just keep corki and ez. 600 range of Abyssal means that Ashe can auto attack further than Abyssal reaches. Which means that practically any skill shot will be outside of Abyssal range. Ryze's Q has 50 more range than Abyssal reaches now lol. Essentially if you build it on anyone that isn't Amumu, Galio, maybe Kennen it's probably a waste.
you forgot fiddle.
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On August 30 2012 10:17 justiceknight wrote:
any1 has a pic of how far does abyssal's range is cos i dont understand how the distance values work n LoL.And those AD carry nerfs T_T, not sure whether i will buy graves or just keep corki and ez.
600 range = Ashe auto attack range.
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On August 30 2012 10:21 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 10:17 justiceknight wrote:
any1 has a pic of how far does abyssal's range is cos i dont understand how the distance values work n LoL.And those AD carry nerfs T_T, not sure whether i will buy graves or just keep corki and ez. 600 range of Abyssal means that Ashe can auto attack further than Abyssal reaches. Which means that practically any skill shot will be outside of Abyssal range. Ryze's Q has 50 more range than Abyssal reaches now lol. Essentially if you build it on anyone that isn't Amumu, Galio, maybe Kennen it's probably a waste. Oh and Malphite.
It's definitely a waste on Galio. His Q has very long range.
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Mordekaiser
Increased the size of his model
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On August 30 2012 10:21 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 10:17 justiceknight wrote:
any1 has a pic of how far does abyssal's range is cos i dont understand how the distance values work n LoL.And those AD carry nerfs T_T, not sure whether i will buy graves or just keep corki and ez. 600 range of Abyssal means that Ashe can auto attack further than Abyssal reaches. Which means that practically any skill shot will be outside of Abyssal range. Ryze's Q has 50 more range than Abyssal reaches now lol. Essentially if you build it on anyone that isn't Amumu, Galio, maybe Kennen it's probably a waste. Oh and Malphite.
Even galio is only getting shit out of it on his ulti. His Q/E aren't going to benefit from it more often than not. :/ They basically removed one of the most common alternatives as a viable item. It's also one of only two MR-AP items, and the only one without silly amounts of mana regen accounting for a huge portion of the cost.
It's also really fucking hard, even for a "in your face" character, to get the TEAM to benefit from the -MR aura, because enemies are already trying to avoid you being in their face.
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On August 30 2012 10:23 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 10:17 justiceknight wrote:
any1 has a pic of how far does abyssal's range is cos i dont understand how the distance values work n LoL.And those AD carry nerfs T_T, not sure whether i will buy graves or just keep corki and ez. 600 range = Ashe auto attack range.
I'm assuming that item auras work the same as skills do. Auto attacks have slightly higher range than spells due to how they work. Like a spell with 600 range doesn't have as much range as Ashe's autos do.
There's a red post somewhere about it after Ori's nerfs because people thought that her Q got ninja nerfed since she could auto attack further than Q traveled.
Regardless, it's still a stupid nerf imo. Deathcap is a way more powerful item than Abyssal that gets built even more frequently, I dunno why Riot felt the need to nerf Abyssal and not Dcap.
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Abyssal way overnerfed. 750 range or similar would have been perfect. Most skillshots still outrange it that way and with typical ap positioning you will often miss out on the aura in teamfights.
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On August 30 2012 10:11 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 10:04 Praetorial wrote:
I am looking forward to throwing minions and Teemo You have no idea
Sadly you can't throw your own Teemo into the enemy as sacrificial bait. :<
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On August 30 2012 10:26 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 10:23 r.Evo wrote:On August 30 2012 10:17 justiceknight wrote:
any1 has a pic of how far does abyssal's range is cos i dont understand how the distance values work n LoL.And those AD carry nerfs T_T, not sure whether i will buy graves or just keep corki and ez. 600 range = Ashe auto attack range. I'm assuming that item auras work the same as skills do. Auto attacks have slightly higher range than spells due to how they work. Like a spell with 600 range doesn't have as much range as Ashe's autos do. There's a red post somewhere about it after Ori's nerfs because people thought that her Q got ninja nerfed since she could auto attack further than Q traveled. Regardless, it's still a stupid nerf imo. Deathcap is a way more powerful item than Abyssal that gets built even more frequently, I dunno why Riot felt the need to nerf Abyssal and not Dcap.
Yeah, auras and ability ranges are measured from the center of the champion but autoattack ranges are measured from the edge of their model
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On August 30 2012 10:28 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 10:11 jcarlsoniv wrote:On August 30 2012 10:04 Praetorial wrote:
I am looking forward to throwing minions and Teemo You have no idea Sadly you can't throw your own Teemo into the enemy as sacrificial bait. :<
Oh, I'll find a way.
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Gragas nerfs make me unbelievably sad. He's worse now than when they buffed him a couple of patches ago.
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More Karth nerfs make me a sad.panda.
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Ult CD nerf was long overdue.
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abyssal nerfs make sense... you weren't supposed to get massive damage from a defensive item. it's supposed to make bruisers do more magic damage and give an aura. not really meant to be a go-to item for mids. the nerf is good imo
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The Diana nerfs might actually slow down her pre-6 jungle a little bit. Nothing major, just she might actually have to back after full route rather than being able to continue easily.
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So does Vlud even make maximum use out of abyssal now if all of his spells are hovering at 600-700 range?
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On August 30 2012 10:33 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Gragas nerfs make me unbelievably sad. He's worse now than when they buffed him a couple of patches ago.
The only thing holding Gragas back before the buff was that his laning could be a bit rough at times. After the buff, he was incredibly strong (and largely went unnoticed except at higher elos). These nerfs are perfectly reasonable, and Gragas will still be a very good mid.
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On August 30 2012 10:32 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 10:28 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:On August 30 2012 10:11 jcarlsoniv wrote:On August 30 2012 10:04 Praetorial wrote:
I am looking forward to throwing minions and Teemo You have no idea Sadly you can't throw your own Teemo into the enemy as sacrificial bait. :< Oh, I'll find a way.
Get your priorities straight: use the blue golem as an ammo to create a mini-wall and get your Teemo stuck when the enemy team invades. Fuck blue buff, kill the midget!
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On August 30 2012 10:26 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 10:23 r.Evo wrote:On August 30 2012 10:17 justiceknight wrote:
any1 has a pic of how far does abyssal's range is cos i dont understand how the distance values work n LoL.And those AD carry nerfs T_T, not sure whether i will buy graves or just keep corki and ez. 600 range = Ashe auto attack range. I'm assuming that item auras work the same as skills do. Auto attacks have slightly higher range than spells due to how they work. Like a spell with 600 range doesn't have as much range as Ashe's autos do. There's a red post somewhere about it after Ori's nerfs because people thought that her Q got ninja nerfed since she could auto attack further than Q traveled. Regardless, it's still a stupid nerf imo. Deathcap is a way more powerful item than Abyssal that gets built even more frequently, I dunno why Riot felt the need to nerf Abyssal and not Dcap.
Honestly this seems to be a great example of Riot's design philosophy. DCap is an item designed as a universal AP caster item, while Abyssal is designed as a niche item. It became used almost universally so they nerfed it. Same with supports getting nerfs when they got play mid.
Riot has a clear idea of what they want items and champions used for and will nerf/buff as needed to keep things in their defined roles. This is opposed to just throwing stuff out there and letting the players figure it out/do whatever feels right. It's easy to see how this can rub players the wrong way but I can also see the designer's viewpoint as well (wanting to keep control over how their creations are used).
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