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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On September 01 2012 03:29 zodde wrote: Wickd did the same with some champions afaik. Malphite+jax(?) and renekton+irelia. When he was asked "what beats irelia?" he answered: "I beat irelia". What he meant to say is his mid/jungler beat irelia. | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
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mordek
United States12704 Posts
On September 01 2012 03:07 iaeuy wrote: iirc it was about kennen and vlad, not rumble and vlad i might be wrong though Yep that was it. Dang. Manaless champs, all the same! | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On September 01 2012 03:40 Scip wrote: Skarner is so overrated in 5s, getting second picked by Dignitas exactly as I explained he should be picked in my post. Coincidence? More like great minds think alike. :3 Disagree that he's overrated. But he should work with a teamcomp that likes to kidnap someone and instantly blow them up without using multiple ultimates no matter how tanky the kidnap target is. Moonbear wrote about the Skarner+doubleAP combos, for example. | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
On September 01 2012 03:54 sylverfyre wrote: Disagree that he's overrated. But he should work with a teamcomp that likes to kidnap someone and instantly blow them up without using multiple ultimates no matter how tanky the kidnap target is. Moonbear wrote about the Skarner+doubleAP combos, for example. I meant that at zulu_nation8, who said that Skarner is overrated. I disagree with him, same as you, Skarner is an amazing second pick. Though I wouldn't necessarily agree that he works best with double AP, he is good with them for sure. | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
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StateAlchemist
France1946 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
On September 01 2012 03:56 Scip wrote: I meant that at zulu_nation8, who said that Skarner is overrated. I disagree with him, same as you, Skarner is an amazing second pick. Though I wouldn't necessarily agree that he works best with double AP, he is good with them for sure. I said hes overrated in 5s, hes #1 jungler in solo queue. I don't know see what Dig did but if you pick skarner early theres a lot of ways the other team can fuck with you. | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
On September 01 2012 04:28 zulu_nation8 wrote: I said hes overrated in 5s, hes #1 jungler in solo queue. I don't know see what Dig did but if you pick skarner early theres a lot of ways the other team can fuck with you. No, they can't really fuck with you? I honestly have no idea what you mean. How can you get screwed over any harder than non-permabans/firstpicks (Alistar, Malphite, Nunu)? I don't mean you should first pick him, generally there are stronger champions to do that with, but how can you punish 2nd pick Skarner? | ||
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Flakes
United States3125 Posts
On September 01 2012 04:57 Scip wrote: No, they can't really fuck with you? I honestly have no idea what you mean. How can you get screwed over any harder than non-permabans/firstpicks (Alistar, Malphite, Nunu)? I don't mean you should first pick him, generally there are stronger champions to do that with, but how can you punish 2nd pick Skarner? ![[image loading]](http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-8QrPinwd-pQ/TilezcNyTuI/AAAAAAAAN_w/gqmiuK_WRVo/s1600/oranges%2Bcrock-n-roll.jpg) User was warned for this post | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On September 01 2012 04:57 Scip wrote: No, they can't really fuck with you? I honestly have no idea what you mean. How can you get screwed over any harder than non-permabans/firstpicks (Alistar, Malphite, Nunu)? I don't mean you should first pick him, generally there are stronger champions to do that with, but how can you punish 2nd pick Skarner? Janna, Lulu, Taric, ashe to name 4 | ||
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nyxnyxnyx
Indonesia2978 Posts
On September 01 2012 03:42 mordek wrote: Yep that was it. Dang. Manaless champs, all the same! player in question is stanley from TPA | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
nunu, zyra, anyone with aoe cc who won't let you run up to the team and try to grab someone, nunu will fuck with you early and you cant do anything about it. Lulu's ult, i think yorick is good too, zilean obv. Also karthus and morg. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Isken
Korea (South)1131 Posts
i remember not so long ago, for the same price i bought a fizz with just new clothes and urf as the ultimate and already felt it was worth it, riot really outdoing themselves | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
On September 01 2012 05:39 zulu_nation8 wrote: nunu, zyra, anyone with aoe cc who won't let you run up to the team and try to grab someone, nunu will fuck with you early and you cant do anything about it. Lulu's ult, i think yorick is good too, zilean obv. Nunu doesn't count, he should be either banned, first picked or picked at the same time as Skarner due to his ridiculous scaling into lategame and good enough early game. You can bluff top Nunu if you want too, though it probably isn't a good idea most of the time. Zilean is quite annoying, aye, but he faces several problems late midgame and lategame. Once Skarner transitions from initiating to peeling in 5v5s, Zilean is no more annoying for Skarner than for anyone else. He is also much weaker in midgame and lategame in general compared to top middle lane picks: Orianna, Gragas, Karthus (+Anivia, Ryze, Cassiopea) due to much lower amount of damage and/or lack of hard CC. From my experience, his roaming isn't formidable enough to justify picking him either. I think Yorick is a good enough pick, the problem he faces is lvl3 from Skarner, so you would really want to get at least a medium-strenght lvl3 jungler, especially if Skarner is on the purple side. I don't really see how Yorick is particularly good against Skarner; aye, he can ghost whoever you pull, probably, but ghosting someone who you doesn't kill instantly is very annoying too. Fighting against 2 AD carries is no fun at all. As far as Zyra goes: yes, she is strong, but she in particular has to cast 2 seeds and a spell to proc them, before she uses her ultimate if you wish to use it against a Skarner engage. Even then, the CC is delayed. She is a decently strong pick, but I don't really see why you named her and not someone with stronger AoE? If you were to ask me, I'd say the biggest counterpicks to Skarner are Orianna, Karthus, Shen*, Malphite*, Alistar*, Kayle if anyone can actually make her work (don't think I've seen it so far). The champions with * next to their name should be banned though, if they aren't I strongly advise picking them before Skarner. Edit: Oh, as for Lulu, indeed she is quite annoying. Picking her against Skarner might be a strong play. Though I'd say that often her utility is outweighted by superior laning and AoE of Sona. From my experience though, even though she could be considered a counterpick, she isn't a strong enough counterpick to really warrant not picking Skarner. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On September 01 2012 04:28 zulu_nation8 wrote: I said hes overrated in 5s, hes #1 jungler in solo queue. I don't know see what Dig did but if you pick skarner early theres a lot of ways the other team can fuck with you. So why are so many teams having such success with him? The threat of being kidnapped and exploded exerts a lot of zoning power, especially after Skarner finishes Shurelias Reverie. He doesn't need much - if anything - in the way of offensive items in order to be effective, and not only is his Ultimate scary, the permaslow on him is also great for peeling or chasing. It's hard to defend a turret with skarner and his team sieging it. He will pull you right out from under your tower for his team to blow you up if you don't respect his presence (much like Urgot.) He's not exactly a pushover level 1 like Amumu is, either. Yes, he really wants that level 1 blue, and if you can deny him early blue, it slows him down a lot. Sure, he can't be the one to initiate a level 1 fight (unless you're stupidly facechecking him and his team), but if a fight starts, he brings a lot of damage, AoE, and permaslow right from level 1 - he's scary to fight/invade against, because even at level 1, he can catch you bigtime - as long as his team can provide a decent anti-invasion level 1 so you don't get simply rolled over. | ||
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Amethyst21
Canada7032 Posts
Bad: People who have no idea how to play Sona are going to play Sona Bad: People are going to find out how good Sona is (no nerfs Riot pls) | ||
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TheSamuraj
Netherlands27 Posts
 . Shes like Jarvan IV in that regard. She does everything good enough. | ||
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