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On September 11 2012 08:25 Agnosthar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2012 06:40 Cloud9157 wrote:On September 11 2012 05:48 Eppa! wrote:On September 11 2012 05:19 Seuss wrote:On September 11 2012 05:07 Eppa! wrote:Why you guys always try to prove me wrong  You make a lot of absolute statements that are pretty easy to prove wrong. See, the forums are an ocean, the posters are sharks, and posts like that are bloody, meaty carcasses some research organization dropped in the water. It's inevitable that everyone is going to fight to take a bite out of the juicy, delicious freebie. Also, Karthus makes great use of Spell Vamp quints because Q ignores the AoE penalty when you hit a single target. Akali is probably the most obvious champion for Spell Vamp quints outside of Kennen, so I'm surprised no one has mentioned her yet. Well not all my posts are like that. However i really disagree with Karthus and Akali on spell vamp quints. Akali is much better of with AD quints and pen marks her damage is so much higher that way. Also i don't believe Morgana, LB and Ryze are bad MU. Morgana is even; if your blue lane (lane closest to blue) helps you against the first and second blue respawn invade you are winning. LB is really really easy her scaling sucks sooo hard. sure she can kill you at 7; its not possible at 6 (1v1) you just need to keep up in farm decently and you are going to win the game. Ryze can't go aggro for a long time if you have a ganking jungler. Swain is also even he is better 1-5 slighly better 6-10 even 11-15 much worse at 16-18 Can't say I play LB, but I don't understand why she can't kill you at 6. I always thought 6 was where everyone pretty much said "well, I had fun losing half my health from her combo, now I get to lose all of it". And you're referencing late game Karth, which is pretty much the best ap in the game. No one brings that much damage to a team like he does. Ryze can, but he doesn't apply it to everyone, just kills people one at a time. When I say he has bad matchups, I'm pretty much referencing in lane, which is 1-whenever laning ends. Spellvamp quints on Karthus sounds really terrible to me. You're almost always going catalyst, so you have loads of lane sustain anyway. Plus it's pretty hard to harrass Karthus much when he can last hit from 1k range. Also, missing out on the AP quints can make the difference when ult'ing other lanes. Calling Karthus the best AP in the game isn't true anymore, the last 2 nerfs to his R and W mean there better AP's to choose from now imo.
Karthus went from AP for every situation to only specific comp, that's not to say he's still got one of the best laning phases in the game. It's fairly stable, most match ups are very doable, the tough match ups are usually ahri/kass, but those aren't impossible lanes by any means.
As far as spellvamp quints on karthus, generally you just shove the lane with Q's, and then back, and you should be back in lane with full mana/health without missing too many cs.
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man i wish ranked had boosts for streaks. like if you are on a big win streak u get more elo per game, and vice versa with losing. Like, I don't think elo hell exists... but damn does it take a long time to gain elo.
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On September 11 2012 09:47 Dgiese wrote:
man i wish ranked had boosts for streaks. like if you are on a big win streak u get more elo per game, and vice versa with losing. Like, I don't think elo hell exists... but damn does it take a long time to gain elo.
That's what accelerated Elo at the start of the season is for.
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On September 11 2012 09:52 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2012 09:47 Dgiese wrote:
man i wish ranked had boosts for streaks. like if you are on a big win streak u get more elo per game, and vice versa with losing. Like, I don't think elo hell exists... but damn does it take a long time to gain elo. That's what accelerated Elo at the start of the season is for.
yeah, and it's nice then. but if for whatever reason those 40 games don't amount to big earnings, it kinda sucks later on. I'm not saying omg im stuck in elo hell, or omg i should be 2k. but for the last while i've started tryharding in ranked and im winning around 70-80%, and it takes a damn long while lol.
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I am having the privilege to watch Shake play Lee Sin from jiji's point of view.
How on earth is he so good?
(Shake, I mean)
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MiddleSticks: The most underrated mid laner evar.
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On September 11 2012 10:07 Dgiese wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2012 09:52 TheYango wrote:On September 11 2012 09:47 Dgiese wrote:
man i wish ranked had boosts for streaks. like if you are on a big win streak u get more elo per game, and vice versa with losing. Like, I don't think elo hell exists... but damn does it take a long time to gain elo. That's what accelerated Elo at the start of the season is for. yeah, and it's nice then. but if for whatever reason those 40 games don't amount to big earnings, it kinda sucks later on. I'm not saying omg im stuck in elo hell, or omg i should be 2k. but for the last while i've started tryharding in ranked and im winning around 70-80%, and it takes a damn long while lol.
If you're winning 70-80% of your games, then that's an average of about 40 Elo every 5 games. That's really not that bad of a rate.
Even if you have a bad streak during the beginning of a season, you're not going to be 400 Elo off from where you're supposed to be unless you took a long break and decayed a lot (and your actual skill didn't decay as much as your Elo). Maybe 200 or so Elo, sure, but 25 games to go up 200 Elo at 70-80% winrate seems like a totally reasonable figure.
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On September 11 2012 10:12 Praetorial wrote:
I am having the privilege to watch Shake play Lee Sin from jiji's point of view.
How on earth is he so good?
(Shake, I mean)
Master yourself, master the enemy.
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On September 11 2012 10:26 HazMat wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2012 10:12 Praetorial wrote:
I am having the privilege to watch Shake play Lee Sin from jiji's point of view.
How on earth is he so good?
(Shake, I mean) Master yourself, master the enemy.
No but seriously, those ward-w-r-q combos are amazing!
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On September 11 2012 10:29 Praetorial wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2012 10:26 HazMat wrote:On September 11 2012 10:12 Praetorial wrote:
I am having the privilege to watch Shake play Lee Sin from jiji's point of view.
How on earth is he so good?
(Shake, I mean) Master yourself, master the enemy. No but seriously, those ward-w-r-q combos are amazing!
I cheat. I have my 5th item slot hotkey'd to C so I wardhop super fast :3
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On September 11 2012 10:26 HazMat wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2012 10:12 Praetorial wrote:
I am having the privilege to watch Shake play Lee Sin from jiji's point of view.
How on earth is he so good?
(Shake, I mean) Master yourself, master the enemy.
Steel will fix all your flaws.
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On September 11 2012 10:20 Juddas wrote:
MiddleSticks: The most underrated mid laner evar.
If Fiddle could push lanes reliably, and cs easily, he'd be op'd mid.
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On September 11 2012 10:23 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2012 10:07 Dgiese wrote:On September 11 2012 09:52 TheYango wrote:On September 11 2012 09:47 Dgiese wrote:
man i wish ranked had boosts for streaks. like if you are on a big win streak u get more elo per game, and vice versa with losing. Like, I don't think elo hell exists... but damn does it take a long time to gain elo. That's what accelerated Elo at the start of the season is for. yeah, and it's nice then. but if for whatever reason those 40 games don't amount to big earnings, it kinda sucks later on. I'm not saying omg im stuck in elo hell, or omg i should be 2k. but for the last while i've started tryharding in ranked and im winning around 70-80%, and it takes a damn long while lol. If you're winning 70-80% of your games, then that's an average of about 40 Elo every 5 games. That's really not that bad of a rate. Even if you have a bad streak during the beginning of a season, you're not going to be 400 Elo off from where you're supposed to be unless you took a long break and decayed a lot (and your actual skill didn't decay as much as your Elo). Maybe 200 or so Elo, sure, but 25 games to go up 200 Elo at 70-80% winrate seems like a totally reasonable figure.
yeah but the thing is, a 70-80% win rate is TOTALLY unreasonable.
Like if you were matched against ppl your skill level, a 60% win rate would be really really good, and in that case you'd only be getting 24 elo every ten games. Call it 35 mins a game, thats almost 6 hours for 24 elo.... a whole day SOLID for 100 elo.
And i disagree that 'even if you didn't do well you're not going to be far off your elo'. Like there are so many factors that go in to it. Either way you cut it, the system just seems better if you get increased gains or losses based on your winrate.
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It makes it much worse because streaking is intractable, but because each game is equal to the last you can have the law of large numbers eventually average it out to where the variations across games become less relevant. This negatively impacts that.
It's entirely a state of mind that makes people believe they can't get themselves where they "belong" because of their teammates.
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On September 11 2012 10:50 Craton wrote:
It makes it much worse because streaking is intractable, but because each game is equal to the last you can have the law of large numbers eventually average it out to where the variations across games become less relevant. This negatively impacts that.
It's entirely a state of mind that makes people believe they can't get themselves where they "belong" because of their teammates.
I'm really 700 elo, but my teammates keep carrying me. :/
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On September 11 2012 07:27 Sufficiency wrote:
http://br.leagueoflegends.com/pt-br/news/super-teemo-luta-pela-justi%C3%A7a-liberdade-e-promo%C3%A7%C3%B5es
sufficiency = brazilian?
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On September 11 2012 10:43 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2012 10:20 Juddas wrote:
MiddleSticks: The most underrated mid laner evar. If Fiddle could push lanes reliably, and cs easily, he'd be op'd mid.
He can kinda push.... and his e has a deceptively large range. I don't know, I've really had great success with him lately. And those double kill botlanes are too fun
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On September 11 2012 11:08 Juddas wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2012 10:43 wei2coolman wrote:On September 11 2012 10:20 Juddas wrote:
MiddleSticks: The most underrated mid laner evar. If Fiddle could push lanes reliably, and cs easily, he'd be op'd mid. He can kinda push.... and his e has a deceptively large range. I don't know, I've really had great success with him lately. And those double kill botlanes are too fun
He gets shoved on, way tooo hard. He can probably do pretty well against champs that can't push waves. He's also pretty easy to spot for ganks. I wish he could move while life draining, that'd be epic.
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On September 11 2012 11:08 Juddas wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2012 10:43 wei2coolman wrote:On September 11 2012 10:20 Juddas wrote:
MiddleSticks: The most underrated mid laner evar. If Fiddle could push lanes reliably, and cs easily, he'd be op'd mid. He can kinda push.... and his e has a deceptively large range. I don't know, I've really had great success with him lately. And those double kill botlanes are too fun
No, he really really can't push mid lanes. Like at all. He pretty good 1v1 just fighting most mages, but he loses most lanes based on the fact that he either trades or CS's. I still think he really underrated though, his ultimate is so stupidly good in teamfights. Fiddlesticks shouldn't really win any lanes against any decent pushers because well... he can'tr combat it at all unless he maxes E first, which means his Champion vs champion interactions are awful.
I've said it a couple times before, but an underfed Middlesticks like a snowballed Junglesticks. Its pretty ridiculius how easily a Fiddlesticks that lost lane can just like crush in small skirmishes with all his CC and ult. I see him very much like Vayne, a lose lane win game kind of champion.
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On September 11 2012 10:58 UniversalSnip wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2012 07:27 Sufficiency wrote:
http://br.leagueoflegends.com/pt-br/news/super-teemo-luta-pela-justi%C3%A7a-liberdade-e-promo%C3%A7%C3%B5es
sufficiency = brazilian?
Home, home on the hue...
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