[Patch 1.0.0.144: Diana] General Discussion - Page 171

are you playing against blitzcranks who dont know how to lead a grab?

On August 14 2012 11:42 Frolossus wrote:
shaco not even worth a ban anymore imho
if he ganks you most of the time you can just turn and drop him instantly with your full combo and he falls off at like 15 minutes anyways

On August 14 2012 11:35 Ente wrote:

As I said you wont get hit as a carry if you have the nunu ms buff there is nothing blitz can combo without hitting and you cant oneshot nunu because hes too tanky and if you CC the nunu with grab -> knockup -> ult then the ad carry with the nunu as buff will just kill your ad and blitz.
Just believe me I played so many kogmaw/nunu games thats not even funny

On August 14 2012 10:45 Lmui wrote:
I personally ban the soloQ terrors and annoying shit

Shaco - Because fuck shaco
Blitzcrank - Guaranteed to snowball bot lane one way or the other
Alistar - 50% of the time, your top lane will lose at level 2 to this guy
Lee Sin - 20% of the time, the lee will become the most mobile, tanky, painful mofo ever
Malphite - Annoying.

On August 14 2012 12:19 zer0das wrote:
Late game, the scaling ones are probably worth it for Kennen, but for anyone else... probably not. I always feel like I'm out of energy as Kennen when it's late game. Although I've been getting better about hitting my shurikens, I always feel like you could use more energy.

But from an IP point of view, I don't think so. Which is why I use flat armor. :>

On August 14 2012 12:38 NeoIllusions wrote:
Shen and Akali are melee, so they both benefit greatly from defensive Seals. Kennen on the other hand is ranged and has a long range Q. He's the only one I'd use Energy runes on.

That said, you'd have to play a lot of Kennen to justify the Energy Seal investment. Otherwise, Flat Armor solves.

On August 14 2012 12:32 Seuss wrote:


People just assume that Energy = No Need for Blue Buff.

Blue buff is stupidly good on Kennen, and Shen as well. Going from 50 ep5 to 80 ep5 is utterly insane.

On August 14 2012 12:42 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:

In other words, if your name is Ego Ignaxio.

As the other have said, generally Energy Seals are probably not worth it. They're incredibly niche and unless you're making a really customised rune page you're better off with something else. Shen almost definitely needs Armour Yellows and something else in Quints to make his top lane matchups neutral or positive. Akali already needs a dedicated runepage and suvivability to get in and assassinate someone. Once you proc your Q it should refund Energy anyway, and R has no cost. E is a trap spell in most cases...

And yeh Blue Buff restoring Energy is really awesome. If you can, take it or assassinate the guy on the other team for it. It's so good.

On August 14 2012 11:49 cLutZ wrote:


Works...if your AD isn't a tard.



Shaco gets banned by me...so my team doesn't play him.

Also, screw banning Ali. I want to play Ali and there's like an 80% chance the other team is gonna First Pick an easily counterable top or mid. This is SoloQ!

On August 14 2012 12:44 zer0das wrote:


Yeah, but it's another 10.35 energy per 5 with the scaling ones at level 18, which is pretty significant.any way you slice it (not so subtle Kennen pun). I also finding myself wondering if I would win a lot more engagements if I had flat energy regen seals, because a lot of the time, in a hectic fight I'll almost have them, but not have quite have enough energy for a w before they get away.

I'm too nice about letting the jungler hog blue when I'm Kennen though. ;.;

On August 14 2012 13:09 sylverfyre wrote:

Depends on your jungler imo. If it's skarner, sure. A lot of junglers really stop needing blue, though (even like amumu, who is very reliant on it early.)

On August 14 2012 13:23 gtrsrs wrote:


there is no jungler in the game that won't greatly benefit from blue buff, even the cdr helps you clear so much faster than without. so it's a misnomer to say that junlgers stop needing blue - it's just that the battle mid is a lot easier if your mid has blue, so they can argue that they need it a bit more than you do

On August 14 2012 13:27 MooMooMugi wrote:
It is so common nowadays for mids to get blue buff that if you deny your own mid blue buff hes going to be under leveled against the enemy mid unless he gets fed