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Ente
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1795 Posts
August 14 2012 02:44 GMT
#3401

are you playing against blitzcranks who dont know how to lead a grab?

There is the one or the other decent blitz in europe like lounet or sth.. I dont think that they are way better blitzcranks then them I play against in europe (im 2.5k elo atm)
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obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
August 14 2012 02:46 GMT
#3402
On August 14 2012 11:42 Frolossus wrote:
shaco not even worth a ban anymore imho
if he ganks you most of the time you can just turn and drop him instantly with your full combo and he falls off at like 15 minutes anyways

I recently learned that if you lane gank as shaco, you can deceive and then drop a box while stealthed. Guess I always knew this, just never thought to put it together. You can probably also use deceive to bypass many wards or get a lane gank off with deceive.
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
August 14 2012 02:49 GMT
#3403
On August 14 2012 11:35 Ente wrote:
Show nested quote +
Nunu gives a sprint, sure, but he ain't going to stop Blitz from full comboing his carry, and he can't heal off the burst of something like that.

As I said you wont get hit as a carry if you have the nunu ms buff there is nothing blitz can combo without hitting and you cant oneshot nunu because hes too tanky and if you CC the nunu with grab -> knockup -> ult then the ad carry with the nunu as buff will just kill your ad and blitz.
Just believe me I played so many kogmaw/nunu games thats not even funny


Works...if your AD isn't a tard.

On August 14 2012 10:45 Lmui wrote:
I personally ban the soloQ terrors and annoying shit

Shaco - Because fuck shaco
Blitzcrank - Guaranteed to snowball bot lane one way or the other
Alistar - 50% of the time, your top lane will lose at level 2 to this guy
Lee Sin - 20% of the time, the lee will become the most mobile, tanky, painful mofo ever
Malphite - Annoying.


Shaco gets banned by me...so my team doesn't play him.

Also, screw banning Ali. I want to play Ali and there's like an 80% chance the other team is gonna First Pick an easily counterable top or mid. This is SoloQ!
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Dgiese
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2687 Posts
August 14 2012 02:58 GMT
#3404
Since the thread isn't blowing up, I guess this is just happening to me, but I'll still check.

NA is up right? Cause I can't get on to the server (says its busy), tried pinging other servers in LA, no response. Everything else working fine, just unable to connect to LA based servers (I'm in Cleveland, i know, I apologize, but I had to move here).
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
August 14 2012 03:04 GMT
#3405
Hey guys, question. Are the energy runes worth it at all? I'm having trouble evaluating [theorycrafting] their strength since no item does what they do, and only 3 mastery points deal with energy at all. (I play both kennen and shen, btw, if that matters).
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17294 Posts
August 14 2012 03:07 GMT
#3406
I don't think so. Not any more so than other runes in any event.
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zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-14 03:19:39
August 14 2012 03:19 GMT
#3407
Late game, the scaling ones are probably worth it for Kennen, but for anyone else... probably not. I always feel like I'm out of energy as Kennen when it's late game. Although I've been getting better about hitting my shurikens, I always feel like you could use more energy.

But from an IP point of view, I don't think so. Which is why I use flat armor. :>
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
August 14 2012 03:32 GMT
#3408
On August 14 2012 12:19 zer0das wrote:
Late game, the scaling ones are probably worth it for Kennen, but for anyone else... probably not. I always feel like I'm out of energy as Kennen when it's late game. Although I've been getting better about hitting my shurikens, I always feel like you could use more energy.

But from an IP point of view, I don't think so. Which is why I use flat armor. :>


People just assume that Energy = No Need for Blue Buff.

Blue buff is stupidly good on Kennen, and Shen as well. Going from 50 ep5 to 80 ep5 is utterly insane.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
August 14 2012 03:38 GMT
#3409
Shen and Akali are melee, so they both benefit greatly from defensive Seals. Kennen on the other hand is ranged and has a long range Q. He's the only one I'd use Energy runes on.

That said, you'd have to play a lot of Kennen to justify the Energy Seal investment. Otherwise, Flat Armor solves.
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Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
August 14 2012 03:42 GMT
#3410
On August 14 2012 12:38 NeoIllusions wrote:
Shen and Akali are melee, so they both benefit greatly from defensive Seals. Kennen on the other hand is ranged and has a long range Q. He's the only one I'd use Energy runes on.

That said, you'd have to play a lot of Kennen to justify the Energy Seal investment. Otherwise, Flat Armor solves.

In other words, if your name is Ego Ignaxio.

As the other have said, generally Energy Seals are probably not worth it. They're incredibly niche and unless you're making a really customised rune page you're better off with something else. Shen almost definitely needs Armour Yellows and something else in Quints to make his top lane matchups neutral or positive. Akali already needs a dedicated runepage and suvivability to get in and assassinate someone. Once you proc your Q it should refund Energy anyway, and R has no cost. E is a trap spell in most cases...

And yeh Blue Buff restoring Energy is really awesome. If you can, take it or assassinate the guy on the other team for it. It's so good.
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zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-14 03:47:30
August 14 2012 03:44 GMT
#3411
On August 14 2012 12:32 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 12:19 zer0das wrote:
Late game, the scaling ones are probably worth it for Kennen, but for anyone else... probably not. I always feel like I'm out of energy as Kennen when it's late game. Although I've been getting better about hitting my shurikens, I always feel like you could use more energy.

But from an IP point of view, I don't think so. Which is why I use flat armor. :>


People just assume that Energy = No Need for Blue Buff.

Blue buff is stupidly good on Kennen, and Shen as well. Going from 50 ep5 to 80 ep5 is utterly insane.


Yeah, but it's another 10.35 energy per 5 with the scaling ones at level 18, which is pretty significant.any way you slice it (not so subtle Kennen pun). I also finding myself wondering if I would win a lot more engagements if I had flat energy regen seals, because a lot of the time, in a hectic fight I'll almost have them, but not have quite have enough energy for a w before they get away.

I'm too nice about letting the jungler hog blue when I'm Kennen though. ;.;
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
August 14 2012 03:51 GMT
#3412
On August 14 2012 12:42 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 12:38 NeoIllusions wrote:
Shen and Akali are melee, so they both benefit greatly from defensive Seals. Kennen on the other hand is ranged and has a long range Q. He's the only one I'd use Energy runes on.

That said, you'd have to play a lot of Kennen to justify the Energy Seal investment. Otherwise, Flat Armor solves.

In other words, if your name is Ego Ignaxio.

As the other have said, generally Energy Seals are probably not worth it. They're incredibly niche and unless you're making a really customised rune page you're better off with something else. Shen almost definitely needs Armour Yellows and something else in Quints to make his top lane matchups neutral or positive. Akali already needs a dedicated runepage and suvivability to get in and assassinate someone. Once you proc your Q it should refund Energy anyway, and R has no cost. E is a trap spell in most cases...

And yeh Blue Buff restoring Energy is really awesome. If you can, take it or assassinate the guy on the other team for it. It's so good.


On the subject of Akali's E, we now have Hecarim, Skarner and soon Katarina with similar abilities which do not force them to stop moving (and in Kat's case it actually gives her a movespeed buff!). Riot might convince people that E is actually worth using if it functioned similarly.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
askTeivospy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1525 Posts
August 14 2012 03:56 GMT
#3413
lol i thought zyra on release was ridiculous, but diana is even more so.

PS I'll make the statement that if you play diana and you don't think shes OP, you're just biased and don't want to admit it for pride reasons
hihihi
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
August 14 2012 03:58 GMT
#3414
Yea she's retarded.
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HeroHenry
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1723 Posts
August 14 2012 04:04 GMT
#3415
On August 14 2012 11:49 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 11:35 Ente wrote:
Nunu gives a sprint, sure, but he ain't going to stop Blitz from full comboing his carry, and he can't heal off the burst of something like that.

As I said you wont get hit as a carry if you have the nunu ms buff there is nothing blitz can combo without hitting and you cant oneshot nunu because hes too tanky and if you CC the nunu with grab -> knockup -> ult then the ad carry with the nunu as buff will just kill your ad and blitz.
Just believe me I played so many kogmaw/nunu games thats not even funny


Works...if your AD isn't a tard.

Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 10:45 Lmui wrote:
I personally ban the soloQ terrors and annoying shit

Shaco - Because fuck shaco
Blitzcrank - Guaranteed to snowball bot lane one way or the other
Alistar - 50% of the time, your top lane will lose at level 2 to this guy
Lee Sin - 20% of the time, the lee will become the most mobile, tanky, painful mofo ever
Malphite - Annoying.


Shaco gets banned by me...so my team doesn't play him.

Also, screw banning Ali. I want to play Ali and there's like an 80% chance the other team is gonna First Pick an easily counterable top or mid. This is SoloQ!

The part about shaco is so true. When Shaco is on your team he goes 0/7, but when he is in the enemy team, he goes legendary before 20minutes.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
August 14 2012 04:09 GMT
#3416
On August 14 2012 12:44 zer0das wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 12:32 Seuss wrote:
On August 14 2012 12:19 zer0das wrote:
Late game, the scaling ones are probably worth it for Kennen, but for anyone else... probably not. I always feel like I'm out of energy as Kennen when it's late game. Although I've been getting better about hitting my shurikens, I always feel like you could use more energy.

But from an IP point of view, I don't think so. Which is why I use flat armor. :>


People just assume that Energy = No Need for Blue Buff.

Blue buff is stupidly good on Kennen, and Shen as well. Going from 50 ep5 to 80 ep5 is utterly insane.


Yeah, but it's another 10.35 energy per 5 with the scaling ones at level 18, which is pretty significant.any way you slice it (not so subtle Kennen pun). I also finding myself wondering if I would win a lot more engagements if I had flat energy regen seals, because a lot of the time, in a hectic fight I'll almost have them, but not have quite have enough energy for a w before they get away.

I'm too nice about letting the jungler hog blue when I'm Kennen though. ;.;

Depends on your jungler imo. If it's skarner, sure. A lot of junglers really stop needing blue, though (even like amumu, who is very reliant on it early.)
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
August 14 2012 04:23 GMT
#3417
On August 14 2012 13:09 sylverfyre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 12:44 zer0das wrote:
On August 14 2012 12:32 Seuss wrote:
On August 14 2012 12:19 zer0das wrote:
Late game, the scaling ones are probably worth it for Kennen, but for anyone else... probably not. I always feel like I'm out of energy as Kennen when it's late game. Although I've been getting better about hitting my shurikens, I always feel like you could use more energy.

But from an IP point of view, I don't think so. Which is why I use flat armor. :>


People just assume that Energy = No Need for Blue Buff.

Blue buff is stupidly good on Kennen, and Shen as well. Going from 50 ep5 to 80 ep5 is utterly insane.


Yeah, but it's another 10.35 energy per 5 with the scaling ones at level 18, which is pretty significant.any way you slice it (not so subtle Kennen pun). I also finding myself wondering if I would win a lot more engagements if I had flat energy regen seals, because a lot of the time, in a hectic fight I'll almost have them, but not have quite have enough energy for a w before they get away.

I'm too nice about letting the jungler hog blue when I'm Kennen though. ;.;

Depends on your jungler imo. If it's skarner, sure. A lot of junglers really stop needing blue, though (even like amumu, who is very reliant on it early.)


there is no jungler in the game that won't greatly benefit from blue buff, even the cdr helps you clear so much faster than without. so it's a misnomer to say that junlgers stop needing blue - it's just that the battle mid is a lot easier if your mid has blue, so they can argue that they need it a bit more than you do
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MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
August 14 2012 04:27 GMT
#3418
It is so common nowadays for mids to get blue buff that if you deny your own mid blue buff hes going to be under leveled against the enemy mid unless he gets fed
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Dgiese
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2687 Posts
August 14 2012 04:31 GMT
#3419
On August 14 2012 13:23 gtrsrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 13:09 sylverfyre wrote:
On August 14 2012 12:44 zer0das wrote:
On August 14 2012 12:32 Seuss wrote:
On August 14 2012 12:19 zer0das wrote:
Late game, the scaling ones are probably worth it for Kennen, but for anyone else... probably not. I always feel like I'm out of energy as Kennen when it's late game. Although I've been getting better about hitting my shurikens, I always feel like you could use more energy.

But from an IP point of view, I don't think so. Which is why I use flat armor. :>


People just assume that Energy = No Need for Blue Buff.

Blue buff is stupidly good on Kennen, and Shen as well. Going from 50 ep5 to 80 ep5 is utterly insane.


Yeah, but it's another 10.35 energy per 5 with the scaling ones at level 18, which is pretty significant.any way you slice it (not so subtle Kennen pun). I also finding myself wondering if I would win a lot more engagements if I had flat energy regen seals, because a lot of the time, in a hectic fight I'll almost have them, but not have quite have enough energy for a w before they get away.

I'm too nice about letting the jungler hog blue when I'm Kennen though. ;.;

Depends on your jungler imo. If it's skarner, sure. A lot of junglers really stop needing blue, though (even like amumu, who is very reliant on it early.)


there is no jungler in the game that won't greatly benefit from blue buff, even the cdr helps you clear so much faster than without. so it's a misnomer to say that junlgers stop needing blue - it's just that the battle mid is a lot easier if your mid has blue, so they can argue that they need it a bit more than you do

No, it's not a misnomer to say they don't need it. It would be a misnomer to say they don't want it or can't benefit from it.
Celestial
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States652 Posts
August 14 2012 04:34 GMT
#3420
On August 14 2012 13:27 MooMooMugi wrote:
It is so common nowadays for mids to get blue buff that if you deny your own mid blue buff hes going to be under leveled against the enemy mid unless he gets fed


Sometimes it evens out if they push out the lane fast enough so that minions die to tower while a mid gets blue. Honestly mids grab wraiths so often that'd be more a factor than blue every 5 minutes.
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