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On August 14 2012 07:48 TheYango wrote:
There are also people who are successful in solo queue, are on competitive teams, but whose attitudes have had a clearly negative effect on the performance and state of mind of those teams.
What about people who are not sucessful in solo queue, are on competitive teams, but whose attitudes have had a clearly negative effect on the performance and state of mind of those teams?
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People are still people. Being on a team doesn't magically make you a superhuman.
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On August 14 2012 07:43 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 07:42 Celial wrote:On August 14 2012 07:30 TheYango wrote:On August 14 2012 07:03 HazMat wrote:
Teams don't do arranged 5s because the teams that they can actually learn from playing against they can just scrim without waiting in a 40 minute queue. But to actually be in a position to scrim these teams you have to known the players which means you have to be High Elo. I don't think anyone's arguing that there's some magically hidden player who's talented in a 5-player setting, but can't climb the solo queue ladder. Obviously you still need the fundamentals, regardless of whether you're playing pubs or arranged play, and anyone with good enough fundamentals to to compete on a professional team with any reasonable success should be able to get to high Elo. It's really the other side of the coin where it's relevant--that there are a lot of high Elo solo queue players that have good fundamentals but have attitudes or mindsets that are ultimately incompatible with competitive team play. And some of these people (I won't say who they are, but I'm fairly certain everyone can at least think of one such person on a competitive team) are still on teams anyway, and the issues that arise due to their attitudes have been obviously relevant to the success or lack thereof of those teams. Diamondprox was a 1600 scrub when he got picked up by M5. Shortly before Kiev. ? Before kiev he was a top 5 EUW jungler with 70% winrates on 7 or so junglers... Where do people get this stuff from? Stream chat? RIP Scarra!
From their official website. http://moscowfive.ru/news/stanovlenie-moscow-five-lol
That is a translation of this reddit post: http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/y0f81/the_rise_of_moscow_5/
Given the fact that M5 has always been very critical of what is written about them and them posting this on their very own website, I take it as true.
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Well, Blaze uses SoloQ for basically only 2 things: Learning and understanding non-main roles, and checking out new champs/lane matchups. Its kind of silly for players like Dyrus and TOO insist on playing Top/Jungle in soloQ because they will only pick up bad habits.
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He was top 5 EUW by the time they went to Kiev though, so all that means was that his skill level happened to be vastly higher than his elo at that time. I am not arguing that it's not impossible to improve, or be lower rated than you should be due to lack of games played.
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I was only attacking the point of there being zero players of vastly superior skill stuck at a lower rating.
Chaox just said on stream that they will try to force the Korean playstyle (or meta) in every single game at season finals. I fear this is their belief in the snowball meta all over again... Take 5 champs that can play super strong under tower/defend towers extremely good and their plan is gone...
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They need to bring in Yango and Chikaru to coach 'em up, because as far as I can tell they all the entirety of korean meta = graves duo lane top.
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On August 14 2012 09:07 Celial wrote:
Chaox just said on stream that they will try to force the Korean playstyle (or meta) in every single game at season finals. I fear this is their belief in the snowball meta all over again... Take 5 champs that can play super strong under tower/defend towers extremely good and their plan is gone...
I don't understand why TSM always does this.
TSM's players each have their own distinct styles and things that they're good at. There are certain things that they should be comfortable with as a team. They shouldn't be copying playstyles that other teams have come up with to fit THEIR own unique styles and strong points. If they found a style that fits their own strengths, they could perform much better.
There's not one style of play that's just better than others. This game isn't that simple.
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To be fair, TSM is able to play a wide array of styles. They don't have their own distinct style, except maybe tending to value aggression over defense. But while CLG.NA is strongest in a poke comp or CLG.EU is strongest in a lategame comp, they are very good with most styles out there. They just haven't mastered any.
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I don't see any problem with TSM copy the current Korean style since if you can't counter something, the next best thing to do is copy it and lay the same pain to your opponent.
That MLG Summer Arena clean sweep may actually be very good for TSM in the season finale. LoL meta is now developing as those in SC2, for a few months this style will get you GSL champion and seem unbeatable but if you stay there, people are gonna study you and make you bite the dust sooner or later.
So if TSM can't develop or didn't have enough time to experience things for themselves, lets just copy from the best. Also, one of the non-Korean teams weak point is they can't seem to come up with new shit often. Just look at how long LoL has been in Korea compare to NA/EU. Koreans catch up and come up with new shits in like 4-5 months time and it is like insanely good.
TSM or any other NA/EU teams(excluding M5) will need to do much more work than they are used to if they want to have a chance in upcoming season 3.
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On August 14 2012 08:38 HazMat wrote:
TGF is a good example. They were a team that were from the same lan center and knew each other IRL but they just weren't good enough individually and couldn't win anything so they split up.
And since you guys love talking about me, I just want to point out that the only time I brought up my Elo was when I was complaining about azingy duoing with an unranked and wasting everyone's time. Sorry? He still does that shit by the way.
You also said elementz is bad because he is only 2100 elo. He's bad not because his elo is "low" (at least compared to yours), it's because his play is actually fucking terrible
Also, ask ppl in solo q if they have skype/vent. If they do it helps big time.
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On August 14 2012 09:33 101toss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 08:38 HazMat wrote:
TGF is a good example. They were a team that were from the same lan center and knew each other IRL but they just weren't good enough individually and couldn't win anything so they split up.
And since you guys love talking about me, I just want to point out that the only time I brought up my Elo was when I was complaining about azingy duoing with an unranked and wasting everyone's time. Sorry? He still does that shit by the way. You also said elementz is bad because he is only 2100 elo. He's bad not because his elo is "low" (at least compared to yours), it's because his play is actually fucking terrible Also, ask ppl in solo q if they have skype/vent. If they do it helps big time.
For a top player not being able to break 2200 is pretty bad. What's worse, me saying that 2100 is low relative to pro players, or you saying elementz is fucking terrible because he is fucking terrible?
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In Elementz's defense he's seemingly getting better and he does have spouts of genius and Xpecial level play. I dunno I am obviously biased towards Curse.
As far as ELo is concerned doesn't Elementz just play whatever in solo que and rarely supports unless he's duo-queing? Not that that's an excuse but eh.
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Yea Elementz played pretty well at IPL. Hopefully he keeps improving.
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Reg is 1900 does that mean hes bad too? DuoQ with GF too stronk
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On August 14 2012 09:40 HazMat wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 09:33 101toss wrote:On August 14 2012 08:38 HazMat wrote:
TGF is a good example. They were a team that were from the same lan center and knew each other IRL but they just weren't good enough individually and couldn't win anything so they split up.
And since you guys love talking about me, I just want to point out that the only time I brought up my Elo was when I was complaining about azingy duoing with an unranked and wasting everyone's time. Sorry? He still does that shit by the way. You also said elementz is bad because he is only 2100 elo. He's bad not because his elo is "low" (at least compared to yours), it's because his play is actually fucking terrible Also, ask ppl in solo q if they have skype/vent. If they do it helps big time. For a top player not being able to break 2200 is pretty bad. What's worse, me saying that 2100 is low relative to pro players, or you saying elementz is fucking terrible because he is fucking terrible?
LOL do you seriously think elementz loses any sleep because he is 2100. what does his elo matter to him? he is on a pro team, and has been on one for quite a while now.
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On August 14 2012 09:51 MooMooMugi wrote:
Reg is 1900 does that mean hes bad too? DuoQ with GF too stronk
He was 2300 before he stopped solo queuing to work on management and what not. And this was back when 2300 was really high.
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On August 14 2012 09:52 Vaporized wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 09:40 HazMat wrote:On August 14 2012 09:33 101toss wrote:On August 14 2012 08:38 HazMat wrote:
TGF is a good example. They were a team that were from the same lan center and knew each other IRL but they just weren't good enough individually and couldn't win anything so they split up.
And since you guys love talking about me, I just want to point out that the only time I brought up my Elo was when I was complaining about azingy duoing with an unranked and wasting everyone's time. Sorry? He still does that shit by the way. You also said elementz is bad because he is only 2100 elo. He's bad not because his elo is "low" (at least compared to yours), it's because his play is actually fucking terrible Also, ask ppl in solo q if they have skype/vent. If they do it helps big time. For a top player not being able to break 2200 is pretty bad. What's worse, me saying that 2100 is low relative to pro players, or you saying elementz is fucking terrible because he is fucking terrible? LOL do you seriously think elementz loses any sleep because he is 2100. what does his elo matter to him? he is on a pro team, and has been on one for quite a while now.
He was kicked off CLG because he sucked and he was threatened to get kicked off Curse for the same reason. He's obviously not a great player, and his Elo reflects that.
When asked why L0CUST was kicked off Dignitas, Scarra literally said because they needed a stronger support player. Then they drop him and pick up a 2400 rated support player.
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By the way why did people stop playing Zyra? I don't think the hotfix was that bad, was it? I haven't seen a single Zyra ban or pick since the hotfix which surprises me.
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On August 14 2012 09:51 MooMooMugi wrote:
Reg is 1900 does that mean hes bad too? DuoQ with GF too stronk
It sure does man, that 1900 elo means he's total trash and shouldnt be playing for tsm!!1!11
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Welcome to Solo que. Where picks and bans are controlled by nerfs and buffs. At least that seems to be the case when I play.
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