EPT[Patch 1.0.0.143: MidJuly-Zyra] General Discussion - Page 24
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vvSiegvv
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nosliw
United States2716 Posts
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
On July 21 2012 09:52 Xplicit wrote: Hey guys, my girlfriend is trying to organize a league of legends barcraft event, but we can't think of a good name for it. We're looking for something short and catchy, sadly we can't use barcraft since it's already associated with Starcraft. Any ideas or suggestions? Figured I'd bring this here to you guys and we might be able to think of something. BarLeague. Wasn't that hard now, was it? =P | ||
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samthesaluki
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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JBright
Vancouver14381 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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Cixah
United States11285 Posts
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
Atm i feels this about changes. Twitch is to weak in lane for current level of play, might be "top able" Eve might be ok but she sucks top and she gets to little farm in jungle. What is wrong with Barcraft as a general name? | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On July 21 2012 10:26 gtrsrs wrote: you guys are nuts if you think hecarim is better than skarner, that's all i have to say nuts I don't think one is better than the other. Hec has a better initiate, is more mobile, and has slightly higher damage (I think, Q spam on Hec I think is higher than Skarner, but I'm not sure). Skarner has better peeling and counter initiate. They're close in other aspects. | ||
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koreasilver
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On July 21 2012 10:06 Alaric wrote: Tried Eve, agreed with that premade to invade, didn't hit 2 off it and Corki kept on hitting their blue instead of letting me finish it (used smite a bit too early) so he got it, did nothing of it, and I didn't receive a pull. She's slow and I was behind in levels, couldn't gank easily... well at least that much remains true: her base stats make her so bad if you can't get items... Yeah, I can't really make her work. Unless the enemy laners are really hell bend on not buying pink wards, it's kinda hard to get her rolling. But she can't really just power farm the jungle because she's not really that fast, weak base stats make her take a beating from the jungle, and she has no shield/sustain until you build lifesteal/spellvamp. Maybe I'm just playing her all wrong. But getting an early cutlass really does help with the ganking, as someone has mentioned earlier. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On July 21 2012 10:26 gtrsrs wrote: you guys are nuts if you think hecarim is better than skarner, that's all i have to say nuts I absolutely think Hecarim is better than Skarner. More reliable imo | ||
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Parametric
Canada1261 Posts
Right now it seems like she's ok but riot took a lot away from her for being able to avoid sight wards. That's just my feeling on her. Also her ulti cooldown feels really long but in team fights it's crazy. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
hec is not a better initiator except in fringe cases, and his best initiate (R into the enemy team, E to separate someone) doesn't pull an individual any further than skarner's R nor does it suppress... the damage on hec's Q is irrelevant except for 1 or 2 Qs because he has no sticking power, whereas all of skarner's Qs will hit if he hits the first one basically hecarim's W is his strong point, not his Q, but in the jungle he doesn't get as much farm as he needs to make the most out of his W, whereas skarner is a beast with just shurelia. i think hecarim is a really viable and strong top laner, using E as an escape rather than a shitty unreliable ganking tool; skarner isn't really a laner. on the flippy floppy, skarner is a much much stronger ganker and better with lower farm. run hec top, skarner jungle, GG | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On July 21 2012 10:32 gtrsrs wrote: hec is definitely not more mobile than skarner, hec's E is maxed last and has a higher cooldown than skarner's W which is maxed first or second... hec is not a better initiator except in fringe cases, and his best initiate (R into the enemy team, E to separate someone) doesn't pull an individual any further than skarner's R nor does it suppress... the damage on hec's Q is irrelevant except for 1 or 2 Qs because he has no sticking power, whereas all of skarner's Qs will hit if he hits the first one Again, I'm not arguing that Skarner is weaker, but you have to be crazy if you think a single target 1.75 second supress that you have to be in melee range for is better at initiating than a 1000 yard blink that damages and fears everything it hits. His level 1 E is also faster than Skarner's level 5 W, making it better for blitzing in. In a given time span, Skarner will have higher average speed, but Hec's E lets you just blaze past warded lanes and get in range before they can respond. I'd rather play Skarner, but don't downplay Hec's power. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
hecarim's R has an extremely slow particle speed, it's not that hard to dodge especially if you're near max range, that's why i think it's kinda underwhelming. also 1s fear -25% for mercs is basically just a mini-stun, it doesn't actually cause havoc (especially true when you consider that if you're dashing in, your teammates aren't going to be able to close the gap let alone wreak havoc during that 0.75s). and again, the best move for hecarim is R->E, and the knockback on his E is nothing compared to a skarner pull with W and shurelia on. while it's true that hecarim's *max* E speed is higher than skarner's *max* W speed, you can't discount the ramp-up time, the duration of both buffs, and the cooldown. you're being too selective on your comparison imo. average speed is also a lot more important IMO because the time it takes you to reach a lane is just as important as how fast you're moving when you get there. and one last point of comparison, skarner has the best passive in the game and hecarim's passive is fucking awful when you look at how many easy and free slows there are in the game :\ don't get me wrong i love playing hecarim. i bought a skin for him and i play him a ton in ranked and i have a decent success rate with him (but not many wins, i don't feel he can carry well). but when i'm playing a game that i want to win for sure, i'll pick skarner every time. there's no real comparison between the two in my mind | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
EDIT: beaten by Mugi | ||
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