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On July 05 2012 08:19 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 08:15 HazMat wrote:
I just bought EloBuff and looking at win % it's ridic how OP rumble is. Above 58% win rate at all Elos. 65% at 2k+. Granted not many people play him so it's skewed but that's just stupid.
Surprisingly mord is super high too. 65% winrate above 2k. 57% at all ratings. (these stats are all from last month)
Actually for niche champions that have diehard people maining them i don't feel it's too uncommon. if you don't have every other player picking up the character (like every support plays janna and raka) then it's only the people that are good with the character playing them. and if you are really good with a character you probably have a good winrate with him. especially at high elos. It's one of the reasons that Karma was considered to win every matchup vs support bottom on that one site. because she's the least played in that role. but the people who play her are really good with her.
I wouldn't even say Rumble is niche, just not commonly used. (Why, I have no idea. So fucking OP that little rat-bastard)
There was a period of time where he was used in pro tournaments as well, wasn't there?
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On July 05 2012 08:17 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 08:14 Lmui wrote:
Sivir's ultimate/passive are her only gap closers, she still has to stay within 500 range to use all her skills except for her Q. Q is not exactly something you can cast all day, it has a pretty prohibitive mana cost for that. Jayce's Q functions simlarly to kennen's shruiken, being a skillshot that scales off of bonus AD instead of AP and has a reasonably short cooldown. He doesn't have a gap closer but Sivir, beyond her ultimate, doesn't have a gap closer either until she hits her first auto-attack. You're ignoring the fact that Sivir can choose to autoattack an auxiliary target with W (a creep or melee champion that has gap closers/CC on CD) and still be able to hit her desired target due to the bounces. And in the short period of time that is a teamfight (which is when the effective range of the various ranged ADs actually makes a real difference), Q being expensive to cast doesn't make a consequential difference. She still has enough mana to cast it throughout the fight, even though it may be restrictive in more drawn out scenarios.
Sivir is really interesting because thanks to her Glaives//Ricochet she can still hit the back line while right-clicking on the tank line while still having some form of defensive power in her spellshield. It's somewhat of a pity she isn't picked more often (especially in competitive play) but 500 range is pretty noticeable. Although I guess it's somewhat of a carry over from Luna.
(Why Sivir no have stun and ride big cat? QQ)
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On July 05 2012 08:22 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 08:19 PrinceXizor wrote:On July 05 2012 08:15 HazMat wrote:
I just bought EloBuff and looking at win % it's ridic how OP rumble is. Above 58% win rate at all Elos. 65% at 2k+. Granted not many people play him so it's skewed but that's just stupid.
Surprisingly mord is super high too. 65% winrate above 2k. 57% at all ratings. (these stats are all from last month)
Actually for niche champions that have diehard people maining them i don't feel it's too uncommon. if you don't have every other player picking up the character (like every support plays janna and raka) then it's only the people that are good with the character playing them. and if you are really good with a character you probably have a good winrate with him. especially at high elos. It's one of the reasons that Karma was considered to win every matchup vs support bottom on that one site. because she's the least played in that role. but the people who play her are really good with her. I wouldn't even say Rumble is niche, just not commonly used. (Why, I have no idea. So fucking OP that little rat-bastard) There was a period of time where he was used in pro tournaments as well, wasn't there?
I didn't necessarily mean niche, it was the best word i could think of. Um characters with cult followings i guess would be slightly more accurate but not convey exactly what i mean.
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On July 05 2012 08:23 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 08:17 TheYango wrote:On July 05 2012 08:14 Lmui wrote:
Sivir's ultimate/passive are her only gap closers, she still has to stay within 500 range to use all her skills except for her Q. Q is not exactly something you can cast all day, it has a pretty prohibitive mana cost for that. Jayce's Q functions simlarly to kennen's shruiken, being a skillshot that scales off of bonus AD instead of AP and has a reasonably short cooldown. He doesn't have a gap closer but Sivir, beyond her ultimate, doesn't have a gap closer either until she hits her first auto-attack. You're ignoring the fact that Sivir can choose to autoattack an auxiliary target with W (a creep or melee champion that has gap closers/CC on CD) and still be able to hit her desired target due to the bounces. And in the short period of time that is a teamfight (which is when the effective range of the various ranged ADs actually makes a real difference), Q being expensive to cast doesn't make a consequential difference. She still has enough mana to cast it throughout the fight, even though it may be restrictive in more drawn out scenarios. Sivir is really interesting because thanks to her Glaives//Ricochet she can still hit the back line while right-clicking on the tank line while still having some form of defensive power in her spellshield. It's somewhat of a pity she isn't picked more often (especially in competitive play) but 500 range is pretty noticeable. Although I guess it's somewhat of a carry over from Luna.(Why Sivir no have stun and ride big cat? QQ)
Funny you say that, since IIRC Sivir had 350 attack range in beta, just like how Luna has only 330 attack range.
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There's a duo queue right now that go Fiddle in the Middle and AP amumu jungle and win everything. They've gained like 200 Elo in the last couple of days. Such good synergy and both heroes are broken.
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On July 05 2012 08:26 HazMat wrote:
There's a duo queue right now that go Fiddle in the Middle and AP amumu jungle and win everything. They've gained like 200 Elo in the last couple of days. Such good synergy and both heroes are broken.
I saw some fiddles win lane around 1500 suddenly, I don't know wtf happened. But damn, he's such an awesome lane to gank for.
"Hey can you please cc the enemy for 3 seconds so I can walk into the middle of the lane before I press any buttons?"
"Sure bro"
♥
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On July 05 2012 08:28 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 08:26 HazMat wrote:
There's a duo queue right now that go Fiddle in the Middle and AP amumu jungle and win everything. They've gained like 200 Elo in the last couple of days. Such good synergy and both heroes are broken. But damn, he's such an awesome lane to gank for. "Hey can you please cc the enemy for 3 seconds so I can walk into the middle of the lane before I press any buttons?" "Sure bro" ♥
I feel like this is a big part of why he's a decent character to play as support. also that dark wind. preventing the enemy from flashing out for 4.2+ seconds is pretty powerful with a jungler and a carry there.
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I smartcast on the characters that I've got a large amount of games on and I know the range on skills for very well with the exception of AP kogmaw's E/R (I smartcast E/R on AD kogmaw) and veigar's event horizon. I feel that on some characters like Cassiopeia, Ryze and Ezreal, you're gimping yourself by not using smartcast. It's far easier to catch someone when you just tap the key whenever you have a free moment and wait for the circle to line up with their body which will happen eventually on veigar. It only takes one screwup for a kill. On Kogmaw, I used to smartcast kog's E but after watching froggen I see why he dumbcasts it. In lane, if you hit an E, even at the very edge of the range, you're guaranteed two R's. Hitting that E is so important to getting damage out against your lane.
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On July 05 2012 08:26 HazMat wrote:
There's a duo queue right now that go Fiddle in the Middle and AP amumu jungle and win everything. They've gained like 200 Elo in the last couple of days. Such good synergy and both heroes are broken.
I remember being in a 1v1 tournament and lost as Malz to lane Fiddle and felt so embarrassed about it. Now that I've tried it a couple times, the guy is pretty strong in lane. Level 1 E does so much damage early, and you can't push him out of lane with his Drain.
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On July 05 2012 08:29 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 08:28 r.Evo wrote:On July 05 2012 08:26 HazMat wrote:
There's a duo queue right now that go Fiddle in the Middle and AP amumu jungle and win everything. They've gained like 200 Elo in the last couple of days. Such good synergy and both heroes are broken. But damn, he's such an awesome lane to gank for. "Hey can you please cc the enemy for 3 seconds so I can walk into the middle of the lane before I press any buttons?" "Sure bro" ♥ I feel like this is a big part of why he's a decent character to play as support. also that dark wind. preventing the enemy from flashing out for 4.2+ seconds is pretty powerful with a jungler and a carry there.
You can flash after the initial fear because of the new mechanics, even if dark wind silences them with perfect timing
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On July 05 2012 08:17 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 08:14 Lmui wrote:
Sivir's ultimate/passive are her only gap closers, she still has to stay within 500 range to use all her skills except for her Q. Q is not exactly something you can cast all day, it has a pretty prohibitive mana cost for that. Jayce's Q functions simlarly to kennen's shruiken, being a skillshot that scales off of bonus AD instead of AP and has a reasonably short cooldown. He doesn't have a gap closer but Sivir, beyond her ultimate, doesn't have a gap closer either until she hits her first auto-attack. You're ignoring the fact that Sivir can choose to autoattack an auxiliary target with W (a creep or melee champion that has gap closers/CC on CD) and still be able to hit her desired target due to the bounces. And in the short period of time that is a teamfight (which is when the effective range of the various ranged ADs actually makes a real difference), Q being expensive to cast doesn't make a consequential difference. She still has enough mana to cast it throughout the fight, even though it may be restrictive in more drawn out scenarios.
I was referring primarily to the laning aspect. I realize that W can bounce far hit other targets but I was writing mainly regarding the 500 range being too short for an AD carry. Jayce has a attack speed/damage steroid (the best in the game for 3 shots) and a movement speed steroid via running through his gate. In an AD role in teamfights, he'll have trouble hitting carries with anything beyond his Q but he does have the advantage of a pretty hefty amount of frontloaded burst.
We'll have to wait til he's released to see exactly how viable he is as a nidalee style bruiser vs an AD carry though.
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On July 05 2012 08:08 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
I personally smartcast (nearly) everything because I'm just so used to it now. It feels much more responsive to just point and have you spell work, especially for skillshots or spells that need to be rapidly chained together. Playing DotA feels really hard sometimes because I press Q and forget to actually click on something lol.
Gave up a FB (and I may even have survived too) because I forgot to set Ignite on smartcast and didn't think about clicking during the fight, too used to my proper setup. :<
I smartcast every single point'n'click, including Alistar's W, and most linear skillshots (not Ez's or Ashe's ults, for example). I don't smartcast vectorial stuff because fuck that, Viktor's E too weird to cast that way. With a bit of practice I learnt to smartcast Morg's W and still be precise, but I'm too used to smartcast to be able to properly chain with Orianna/Gragas without using it, and I don't know their ranges that well so I'm bad at them until I man up and practice.
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Honestly you should just try smartcasting things, not smartcasting things, and having a mix of smartcasting and not smartcasting if you really want to improve. The easy thing to do though is to just smartcast the point and clicks.
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On July 05 2012 08:40 Alaric wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 08:08 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
I personally smartcast (nearly) everything because I'm just so used to it now. It feels much more responsive to just point and have you spell work, especially for skillshots or spells that need to be rapidly chained together. Playing DotA feels really hard sometimes because I press Q and forget to actually click on something lol. Gave up a FB (and I may even have survived too) because I forgot to set Ignite on smartcast and didn't think about clicking during the fight, too used to my proper setup. :< I smartcast every single point'n'click, including Alistar's W, and most linear skillshots (not Ez's or Ashe's ults, for example). I don't smartcast vectorial stuff because fuck that, Viktor's E too weird to cast that way. With a bit of practice I learnt to smartcast Morg's W and still be precise, but I'm too used to smartcast to be able to properly chain with Orianna/Gragas without using it, and I don't know their ranges that well so I'm bad at them until I man up and practice.
I don't even know how to smartcast the vector skillshots. I lost a lot of duels because I forgot to change Rumble's R to non-smartcast....
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On July 05 2012 08:30 GreenManalishi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 08:26 HazMat wrote:
There's a duo queue right now that go Fiddle in the Middle and AP amumu jungle and win everything. They've gained like 200 Elo in the last couple of days. Such good synergy and both heroes are broken. I remember being in a 1v1 tournament and lost as Malz to lane Fiddle and felt so embarrassed about it. Now that I've tried it a couple times, the guy is pretty strong in lane. Level 1 E does so much damage early, and you can't push him out of lane with his Drain.
His level 1 E does absurd damage if it bounces to you more than once. It has one of the longest cast ranges for a targeted spell (750). Malzahar should actually have an easier time than most against fiddle since you can silence his drain. The main weakness of lane fiddle is that even with the buff to his E, he still has a very hard time pushing lane against malzahar, morgana, galio and other heavy pushers.
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press button at origin, drag in direction.
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Hmmm should I bump the old ARAM thread from 2010 or should there be a new thread for the Proving Ground map.
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Btw Jayce as a ranged carry...
Cost: 55 / 60 / 65 / 70 / 75 mana
Physical Damage: 60 / 115 / 170 / 225 / 280 (+1.2 per bonus attack damage)
If this holds... byebye Graves as #1 botlane bully.
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Why do I feel like this game is simply unplayable unless you are arranged 5-s?Hadn't played solo q in like a month and the 2 games I play are the same annoying waste of time as always....I used to think it was that I wasn't high enough but I really can't find a difference in 1400 to 2k anymore QQ.
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And then release. Without smartcast, you press, click and drag. It sounds very similar, but when you try it in actuality it's just... I don't know, it feels so odd. I had to try 2-3 times before I would cast the spell instead of canceling it at the last moment when I tried to smartcast Death Ray.
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