[Patch 1.0.0.141: Draven] General Discussion - Page 264

On July 05 2012 07:11 Slusher wrote:
forgot to mention he camps the thread simply to disagree with people.

On July 05 2012 07:12 Dandel Ion wrote:

I used to assume every new champ Riot makes is OP.

Then I insta-bought Karma when she came out.

On July 05 2012 07:14 PrinceXizor wrote:

people disagreed with me, i was defending my opinions. i don't see how... whatever.

I'll 1v1 you guys sure. not that it proves anything in a team game.

On July 05 2012 07:14 PrinceXizor wrote:

people disagreed with me, i was defending my opinions. i don't see how... whatever.

I'll 1v1 you guys sure. not that it proves anything in a team game.

On July 05 2012 07:10 Shikyo wrote:
Depending on Jayce's numbers, I'm assuming that he's going to be incredibly overpowered. I'll instabuy him, learn to play him, and hopefully abuse myself some wins until he gets nerfed. The concept is just completely broken for him.

On July 05 2012 07:26 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
In team games individual skill doesn't matter. Michael Jorwho? Wayne Gretzwha? One person can't win or lose a game, TSM replacing TRM and suddenly they start winning every single tournament they compete in was because they sacrificed children to Odin.

On July 05 2012 07:17 Shikyo wrote:

600 range.

"max aspd for a few attack" I'm assuming it goes like 2 3 4 5 6 by levels because otherwise it doesn't make sense, so 6 autos with 2.5 aspd from 600 range.

Also he's a bruiser who can get away with fully offensive itemization and thus wins all 1v1s even with other bruisers.


This is all in theory of course but I just don't see it being balanced at all if the numbers stay how they are. If his transform has like no cast time... It's going to be insane.

On July 05 2012 07:24 Simberto wrote:


It actually proves a lot in a debate regarding whether or not 1 champ wins toplane versus an other champ without jungler interaction, as in that debate the actions of the rest of the team are completely irrelevant since they are a priori assumed to not influence toplane. The question if this then leads to winning games is a completely different one, and noone talked about that.

On July 05 2012 07:05 PrinceXizor wrote:

a. never made lol vs dota jabs.you guys took it that way (only a few of you actually, everyone else took i for what it was)
b. It's good vs short range AD carries,it's a counterpick. having 1 discussion with people about it isn't "constantly trying to promote" :/
c. I said until recently it was accepted that they barely practiced, this was backed up by people in thread saying they used to take solo queue as "practice" which we all know is complete BS when trying to work as a team to win events.

So kindly stop talking and don't say shit that is definitely a lie.

I've been sleeping.

i haven't lied about a damn thing. eve wins her laning phase until the jungler starts coming top a lot as is the normal reaction to winning her lane phase. eve has to use invis jukes to avoid the jungler and hope her team takes dragon. a lot. and hope her team can 4v4 with both top lanes being insignificant in fights in the mid game.

but whatever you guys are just intentionally being jerks to me now so i'm not even going to try anymore. *sigh*

On July 05 2012 07:23 gtrsrs wrote:


... you serious?

you were claiming that "no one" can beat eve in lane

that implies no one can beat her 1v1, because you were listing all the qualities that make her strong 1v1. if you meant "no one" can beat her while her jungler camps the lane, then that's true of everyone

so don't use the "team game" excuse to dodge

On July 05 2012 07:55 PrinceXizor wrote:

i didn't saw no one can beat eve in lane. in fact the only all situation was zulu saying EVERY top beats eve. i said she can bully down single damage type champions. so i don't even know. everyone is getting all puffed up and upset over shit i never said because they don't bother to read, why should the burden of proof be on me when if i post it it likely won't be read anyway. ???

and yeah 1v1ing a support player top is definitely gonna prove shit

... you serious?
Re roffles:
If people stopped being fucking assholes to me and actually started discussions instead of just total BS attacks on me then the thread wouldn't get so bad, would it?

We had a super positive discussion that occurred over the shitty ladder system and lack of organized inhouses.
We had a positive discussion over itemizing in lol.
The negative discussions came from "LOL NOPE" responses to me, instead of actually challenging the statement with a discussion. " LOL NOPE 1v1 ME NOOB" doesn't actually = a good debate. in fact, the majority of my posts have been pretty detailed explaining how you do it and what the end result should be. and the ONLY discussion against it was rooted in mistaken facts. so HOW is the discussion supposed to be positive when only 1 side is even trying. "Manning up" and 1v1ing doesn't make the thread any better, it just piles it into a "oh now me, now me" "pffft this guy can't beat a dedicated top laner in top laner when he plays support" that doesn't improve a damn thing does it? only through meaningful discussion will the thread get better, but i'm sorry that they don't want to have that. not my fault.

On July 04 2012 15:49 PrinceXizor wrote:

Eve building tanky can right click the enemy and win every lane, she's just such a terrible character outside of that ability that it's not worth it. she does have the best attack animation in the game though.

On July 05 2012 07:55 PrinceXizor wrote:
i didn't saw no one can beat eve in lane. in fact the only all situation was zulu saying EVERY top beats eve. i said she can bully down single damage type champions. so i don't even know. everyone is getting all puffed up and upset over shit i never said because they don't bother to read, why should the burden of proof be on me when if i post it it likely won't be read

On July 04 2012 13:59 PrinceXizor wrote:
Eve can beat anyone in lane except a heavy mixed damage dealer. to do so it takes two rune pages though,, 1 for vs magic 1 for vs physical. She's kind of a bitch to lane against if the eve knows what they are doing.

On July 04 2012 15:49 PrinceXizor wrote:
Eve building tanky can right click the enemy and win every lane, she's just such a terrible character outside of that ability that it's not worth it. she does have the best attack animation in the game though.

On July 05 2012 07:36 TheYango wrote:

His data is on PBE. Jayce has 500 range, not 600, and his W is fixed at 3 attacks at all ranks (% of your normal damage scales).

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Jayce_the_Defender_of_Tomorrow

As a ranged AD, his attack range is prohibitively low. As a bruiser, he has the base stats of a ranged AD, not a bruiser.

EDIT: I know the data from the Reign of Gaming patch notes says 600 range for Jayce, but given how that post fucked up a lot of things (his other base stats), I'm inclined to believe the Wiki more than that post.

On July 05 2012 07:18 MooMooMugi wrote:
1v1s are a true display of skill

On July 05 2012 08:02 Lmui wrote:
I'm not quite sure it's prohibitively low. Sivir is viable and she also has 500 range. With strong bush control he could be viable. I can see him being similar to tristana in that he could combo with some insane burst early game. I see him being viable top lane since his melee form has a pretty strong knockback (escape), and from kennen /vlad, we can deduce that range is a pretty strong thing top lane. The MR/Armor bonus from being in melee form might make up for how low his base stats are otherwise.