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UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
May 11 2012 20:48 GMT
#2481
oddone had that oracle for like a half hour, maybe more. pretty impressive
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
BobMcJohnson
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
France2916 Posts
May 11 2012 20:48 GMT
#2482
Man this game is so tense despite M5 having all three inhibs down, shen is so fucking strong :o
Romanes eunt domus
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
May 11 2012 20:48 GMT
#2483
TSM cannot do anything in team fights but the early tower kills let them keep inhibs down constantly.

This game so strange to me.
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
May 11 2012 20:48 GMT
#2484
TSM takes all 3 inhibs, but is weaker in 5v5s. They need to make use of these inhibs being down as soon as team revivies or they will just lose even worse in the next few fights.
triangle
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3803 Posts
May 11 2012 20:48 GMT
#2485
473 CS Shen.

O___O
Also known as waterfall / w4terfall
Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
May 11 2012 20:49 GMT
#2486
I can't see TSM winning this unless they manage to backdoor
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-11 20:51:33
May 11 2012 20:49 GMT
#2487
On May 12 2012 05:34 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 05:33 Woony wrote:
m5 gets baron but tsm gets 2 inhibs


Baron so overrated. I think if M5 would've just pushed mid it would've made it a lot harder for TSM to go back door like that and M5 would've gotten at least one, probably two, towers out of it. Maybe even a TSM inhib.


Maybe, but with two inhibitors down M5 can freefarm without having to worry about losing Baron. This late in the game the value of lane creeps has so far outpaced that of the jungle that even if TSM has free reign over both jungles they'll still be falling behind on gold.

Edit: This is one of the major differences between LoL and DotA. When DotA's equivalent to inhibitors go down the value of the creeps in that lane is cut by 50%. While it's technically easier to farm since the waves are always pushing, in the end you don't gain anything because the creeps are worth less.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Treadmill
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada2833 Posts
May 11 2012 20:49 GMT
#2488
It's kinda funny to remember that the first time these two teams met in a tourney, all the games ended in only a little more than 20 minutes.
0123456789
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3216 Posts
May 11 2012 20:50 GMT
#2489
On May 12 2012 05:44 red_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 05:08 0123456789 wrote:
On May 12 2012 03:32 TheYango wrote:
On May 12 2012 03:27 0123456789 wrote:
Your analogy is so flawed it's not even funny. Shooting 3 pointers is like working on your mechanics. Playing 1v1 is like 1 on 1 in basketball.

K I guess numbers knows better than Na'vi's DotA team and Chinese DotA and LoL teams.


Chinese people don't know how to play basketball. I'm not saying 1v1 is bad but 1v1 is not like shooting 3 pointers.


Strawmanning his example, while not perfect, doesn't change the fact that it still aptly displays the idea that drilling is an effective training tool in every practice of life(he chose sport, but you could pretty much choose any endeavor that involves a 'skill' which can be isolated from the activity as a whole).

Also, if he wanted to be really snarky about it he could just say that nowhere in his example did he mention whether his 3 point shooting drill included a defender or not, which would then make it a constant repetition drill of getting your shot off vs a defender attempting to force you into a worse shot.

I eagerly await your next edited post.


U seem like you got your ego bruised or something.



Of course it's not 100% indicative of a real game. Nobody is stupid enough to think that.

Have you played any competitive sport? Drilling WORKS. EVERY sport has practice regimens centered around simple drills that train specific aspects of play. Isolating practice points around specific aspects of the game lets you focus on problems related to that aspect of the game, and do so in a time-efficient manner because drills let you practice those techniques 10 times more quickly than playing complete games. You don't work on your 3-pointers in Basketball just by playing pickup games and hoping to see scenarios that are relevant. You drill your 3-pointer over and over until you've mastered the drill, THEN you adapt it to a real game. Shooting 3-pointers with nobody blocking you is obviously not 100% indicative of a real game, but it's important to hone down the simple scenario first, and adapt it to a real game.


Also drilling is better for training mechanics. 1v1'ing, sure it helps, but will never be as good as actually playing the game. In a 1v1 environment so many factors are excluded, that are included in a real game, and you can play in a way where you are not punished.
3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-11 20:51:55
May 11 2012 20:50 GMT
#2490
hoooly shit shen
edit: xpecial mvp lolol
Shifft
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1085 Posts
May 11 2012 20:51 GMT
#2491
Dyrus really fucking this game up hard at every opportunity.
=O
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
May 11 2012 20:51 GMT
#2492
Oh my god Xpecial one man phalanx against shen kog and fiddle
Bronze player stuck in platinum
triangle
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3803 Posts
May 11 2012 20:51 GMT
#2493
HOLY SHIT XPECIAL
Also known as waterfall / w4terfall
0123456789
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3216 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-11 20:52:52
May 11 2012 20:52 GMT
#2494
I've never played dota so I don't care about dota chinese teams or any of that crap. 1v1'ing helps, the best players in the game are the best 1v1ers. In the beginning, I was more inclined towards it not helping, but it helps in a way where you're just gaining experience quickly over playing drawn out games. It's not good for drilling.
FindMeInKenya
Profile Joined February 2011
United States797 Posts
May 11 2012 20:52 GMT
#2495
why bait/get baron when you can just get inhibs?
emraaa
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany505 Posts
May 11 2012 20:52 GMT
#2496
On May 12 2012 05:48 UniversalSnip wrote:
oddone had that oracle for like a half hour, maybe more. pretty impressive

the support fiddle has an oracle for ever
Sure as the dust that floats high and true, when movin through kashmir
N3rV[Green]
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1935 Posts
May 11 2012 20:53 GMT
#2497
NOOOOOOOOOOO stream went black, have to refresh and last through a stupidly laggy 5 minute commercial!!!!

FUCKKCKCKKCKCKc
Never fear the darkness, Bran. The strongest trees are rooted in the dark places of the earth. Darkness will be your cloak, your shield, your mother's milk. Darkness will make you strong.
BobMcJohnson
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
France2916 Posts
May 11 2012 20:54 GMT
#2498
Shen 514 cs, wtf
Romanes eunt domus
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
May 11 2012 20:54 GMT
#2499
dat darien shen so beast
GANDHISAUCE
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
May 11 2012 20:55 GMT
#2500
ok that's it, no xpecial to defend
Bronze player stuck in platinum
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