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Haasts
New Zealand4445 Posts
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On May 12 2012 06:04 UniversalSnip wrote: regi was totally right blaming chaox, chaox derped and got caught and they get free baron, snowballed the game And Regi diving mid inhib turret way earlier was what allowed them to even live until that point. He should blame himself before Chaox. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
Nah, she doesn't get played as much in pro levels. Combination of people favoring ADs that have stronger mid games and the fact that Kog started to get popular at around the same time she was "#1 AD carry first pick every pro game." People just forgot about Cait or moved on to other ADs. I'd say that Urgot is merely fotm right now. Just like Cait was. And Vayne was. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On May 12 2012 06:18 Haasts wrote: I'm still amazed that M5's support Fiddlesticks, carrying Oracles, frequently Flash=>Terror-ing in teamfights, didn't die once that entire game. Jaysus. M5's shen was just too strong. Ultra fat shen + nocturne basically forced all of TSM to deal with them while M5's backline could do anything they wanted. I didn't watch the entire game, but from what I saw in the last 20 minutes, TSM lost almost solely because they couldn't deal with Shen at all. He was just way too fat. Chaox couldn't do any damage since he was getting shut down in fights and Regi was underfarmed+had poor positioning. Same thing with Dyrus. | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On May 12 2012 06:05 Dgiese wrote: I think even after all that TSM was at a considerable advantage, especially when M5 were 2 inhibs down. TSM were grouped as 5 and slow pushing bot for a wave or two, but then they decided to rotate mid and try and pick of the shen,. I think this was a definite error. Had they stayed bot, kept slow pushing, gotten a couple towers hits each wave (grave smoke bomb made this quite easy) eventually they would have downed it, or at least forced shen to stop split pushing. At which point they could back up and wait for inhibs to push again, and resume the same thing. I think you underestimate the pressure on TSM. Normally in that sort of siege situation you can count on the two lanes where inhibitors went down to push and put pressure on your opponents, but with Shen happily freefarming that wasn't ever going to happen. At the same time M5 also had Baron, meaning any teamfight would be dangerous especially near a tower and especially as Shen would ult in the moment a hard engagement began. TSM might have eventually taken the turret, but the time it would have taken to do so would have been very significant, with many potential opportunities for M5 to engage. | ||
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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
On May 12 2012 06:05 Dgiese wrote: I think even after all that TSM was at a considerable advantage, especially when M5 were 2 inhibs down. TSM were grouped as 5 and slow pushing bot for a wave or two, but then they decided to rotate mid and try and pick of the shen,. I think this was a definite error. Had they stayed bot, kept slow pushing, gotten a couple towers hits each wave (grave smoke bomb made this quite easy) eventually they would have downed it, or at least forced shen to stop split pushing. At which point they could back up and wait for inhibs to push again, and resume the same thing. It is very unusual they were unable to do any damage to the turret with graves smokebomb. They also had the option (when top and mid inhibs were down) to push mid, that would force M5 to the double turrets, and then when bottom lane pushes the could move down and kill it easily. It also forces shen to be careful, because they could swing top and kill him if he isn't careful. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
S-CLASS TIER: Yorick. Tier 1: Soraka, mordekaiser, tryndamere, shen, nidalee, lulu tier 2: rammus, shaco, morgana... more to come.... | ||
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Inschato
Canada1349 Posts
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
On May 12 2012 06:28 Seuss wrote: I think you underestimate the pressure on TSM. Normally in that sort of siege situation you can count on the two lanes where inhibitors went down to push and put pressure on your opponents, but with Shen happily freefarming that wasn't ever going to happen. At the same time M5 also had Baron, meaning any teamfight would be dangerous especially near a tower and especially as Shen would ult in the moment a hard engagement began. TSM might have eventually taken the turret, but the time it would have taken to do so would have been very significant, with many potential opportunities for M5 to engage. I agree, it wouldn't have been easy, and would have required great discipline, coordination and reactions. But they are professionals. Were the tables turned I'd have complete confidence in m5 executing the same strategy I suggest to tsm. Realistically it was their only chance at winning, they needed to be the ones to apply the Pressure. The thing is, they were doing it fine for two waves, but then they gave up and tried to sneak up on Shen, which is kinda the equivalent strategy to Hoping your opponent messes up a forcefield | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On May 12 2012 06:21 spinesheath wrote: And Regi diving mid inhib turret way earlier was what allowed them to even live until that point. He should blame himself before Chaox. No, that didn't matter. It dragged the game out but basically nothing relevant happened because of it. Chaox gettng caught turned into a baron. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On May 12 2012 06:45 Dgiese wrote: I agree, it wouldn't have been easy, and would have required great discipline, coordination and reactions. But they are professionals. Were the tables turned I'd have complete confidence in m5 executing the same strategy I suggest to tsm. Realistically it was their only chance at winning, they needed to be the ones to apply the Pressure. The thing is, they were doing it fine for two waves, but then they gave up and tried to sneak up on Shen, which is kinda the equivalent strategy to Hoping your opponent messes up a forcefield That's fair. I'd agree then that chasing Shen was a definitive mistake, although successfully executing the strategy you recommended seems like a Pyrrhic, if necessary, victory given the circumstances. It's one of those cases where you'd much rather have avoided getting into that terrible situation in the first place by understanding the ramifications of the game situation and the enemy team composition. Not that I'd have made a better call in the circumstances. I'd probably have gone rambo and dove the turret for no intelligent reason.  | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On May 12 2012 06:48 UniversalSnip wrote: No, that didn't matter. It dragged the game out but basically nothing relevant happened because of it. Chaox gettng caught turned into a baron. They would have won the game like 5 minutes later if Regi didn't pull a Regi there. It sure as hell mattered. They lost the opportunity to take an inhib right there, M5 got time, XP and gold, TSM lost momentum. Things don't have to be as obvious as a Baron to be relevant. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On May 12 2012 07:00 spinesheath wrote: They would have won the game like 5 minutes later if Regi didn't pull a Regi there. It sure as hell mattered. They lost the opportunity to take an inhib right there, M5 got time, XP and gold, TSM lost momentum. Things don't have to be as obvious as a Baron to be relevant. They weren't going to take an inhib lol. The only reason they were at that tower was because m5 was split and they were intending to surprise them by taking it before they could group. If regi runs the other way and they end up in a siege there's no reason they would get anything out of it. | ||
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UniversalSnip
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chalice
United States1945 Posts
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UniversalSnip
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-Zoda-
France3578 Posts
On May 12 2012 06:24 MooMooMugi wrote: Darien split pushing all game carried m5 that 3rd game tbh...jesus 500 farm is that a record for a tourny game? I think Dyrus had more than 500 at IPL 3 vs Dignitas, game where Scarra played Shen and had 450cs but was absolutely useless 'cause of Nocturne ult (and because Shen had'nt got a buff at tha time). | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
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Craton
United States17274 Posts
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