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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
April 16 2012 15:38 GMT
#6341
On April 17 2012 00:07 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2012 00:05 Mogwai wrote:
On April 16 2012 23:59 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I don't want to start up that whole debate on where blue buff "should" go, but I hate when jungles aren't patient enough to wait 3 seconds.

*COUGHCOUGH* ^ <3

and I hate when mages use all their burst up front and then sit there for the next 5 seconds autoattacking for the last 500 HP that I can't attack during for fear of procing wriggle's.


After being yelled at by Monte several times for this, I've gotten out of the habit.


Obviously this means your recent ascent to platinum is all my doing. :3
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
April 16 2012 15:39 GMT
#6342
On April 17 2012 00:13 57 Corvette wrote:
I've stopped caring about my elo and ranked, and just started playing a bunch of new champions in normals. So far I've found a few champions I like (Tryndamere, Olaf, Vayne, MF) and a few champions I don't (Nautilus, Pantheon).
Starting now I am going to try to play at least 1 game with every champion in normals (I would do it in ranked, but people there are too pissy, don't feel like dealing with 12 year old rage).

Should I do this in normals blind or normals draft?


I started this a long time ago. Every time there's free week champions I haven't played, I try them out. I got 100% win rates on some champs I don't even own. It also gives you a better feel for the champs cds, passives, and play styles, so you don't run into suprises when the champ shows up on the other side of the battle. Personally I play blind pick for faster queues, and you don't have to wait for picks and bans, so you get into game faster, but draft normals are fun too.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
April 16 2012 15:47 GMT
#6343
On April 17 2012 00:38 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2012 00:07 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On April 17 2012 00:05 Mogwai wrote:
On April 16 2012 23:59 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I don't want to start up that whole debate on where blue buff "should" go, but I hate when jungles aren't patient enough to wait 3 seconds.

*COUGHCOUGH* ^ <3

and I hate when mages use all their burst up front and then sit there for the next 5 seconds autoattacking for the last 500 HP that I can't attack during for fear of procing wriggle's.


After being yelled at by Monte several times for this, I've gotten out of the habit.


Obviously this means your recent ascent to platinum is all my doing. :3


I attribute a large portion of my success to you, good sir.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
chalice
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1945 Posts
April 16 2012 15:56 GMT
#6344
the jungler has to basically put their game on hold and is giving up a huge part of the jungle experience and gold to give them blue, if mid lane can't be bothered or is losing too badly to push their lane when it's time to get blue i'm coming to "help" them push. you don't have time in the jungle to wait around all day and i'd much rather the creeps go to me than the tower.

surprisingly, this doesn't always go over very well.
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
April 16 2012 15:58 GMT
#6345
Do you guys all hang around in liquidparty? i need people to play with soloQ can be stressful sometimes XD losing is fine, its just all dat rage :<

also having people to give advice would be cool :3 ive been sitting around 1500 since my first 20~ games..went on an 8 win streak the other day to get to 1611 top, then lost 9 in a row and back down to 1490 haha.
Useless wet fish.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
April 16 2012 15:58 GMT
#6346
I would honestly rather you come help push the lane than take my blue. I know that's generally not the mind set in solo q though.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
ishboh
Profile Joined October 2010
United States954 Posts
April 16 2012 16:01 GMT
#6347
On April 16 2012 23:07 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2012 23:06 ihasaKAROT wrote:
I dont allways jungle, but when I do I disconnect while killing blue and die at lvl1

Pffff. Thats the secret. I died to red twice last weekend. Won both games.

Hell, the first game the only death I had was to red. Red>entire enemy team.

is there really a negative effect of this? if you die to creeps you really don't lose anything do you? (just the respawn time, which at level 2/3 is pretty fast)
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23401 Posts
April 16 2012 16:03 GMT
#6348
On April 17 2012 00:58 Capped wrote:
Do you guys all hang around in liquidparty? i need people to play with soloQ can be stressful sometimes XD losing is fine, its just all dat rage :<

also having people to give advice would be cool :3 ive been sitting around 1500 since my first 20~ games..went on an 8 win streak the other day to get to 1611 top, then lost 9 in a row and back down to 1490 haha.


On EU server liquidparty pretty active.
OnceKing
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States939 Posts
April 16 2012 16:11 GMT
#6349
On April 17 2012 01:01 ishboh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2012 23:07 Two_DoWn wrote:
On April 16 2012 23:06 ihasaKAROT wrote:
I dont allways jungle, but when I do I disconnect while killing blue and die at lvl1

Pffff. Thats the secret. I died to red twice last weekend. Won both games.

Hell, the first game the only death I had was to red. Red>entire enemy team.

is there really a negative effect of this? if you die to creeps you really don't lose anything do you? (just the respawn time, which at level 2/3 is pretty fast)

Ehh well even at a low level you'd be losing any buffs you had.
"Every man has his follies - and often they are the most interesting thing he has got."
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22584 Posts
April 16 2012 16:11 GMT
#6350
On April 17 2012 01:01 ishboh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2012 23:07 Two_DoWn wrote:
On April 16 2012 23:06 ihasaKAROT wrote:
I dont allways jungle, but when I do I disconnect while killing blue and die at lvl1

Pffff. Thats the secret. I died to red twice last weekend. Won both games.

Hell, the first game the only death I had was to red. Red>entire enemy team.

is there really a negative effect of this? if you die to creeps you really don't lose anything do you? (just the respawn time, which at level 2/3 is pretty fast)


Correct. Although there is ofcourse the eternal shame of dying to mobs.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
fortysixandtwo
Profile Joined April 2010
United States28 Posts
April 16 2012 16:20 GMT
#6351
On April 17 2012 00:13 57 Corvette wrote:
I've stopped caring about my elo and ranked, and just started playing a bunch of new champions in normals. So far I've found a few champions I like (Tryndamere, Olaf, Vayne, MF) and a few champions I don't (Nautilus, Pantheon).
Starting now I am going to try to play at least 1 game with every champion in normals (I would do it in ranked, but people there are too pissy, don't feel like dealing with 12 year old rage).

Should I do this in normals blind or normals draft?

I've been doing this ever since I started playing LOL this past September. I think it helps you learn everything really well. Theres some small things that you just don't learn without playing the champ. The most annoying thing is that theres some champs that are very rarely free Even though I started at the end of august/beginning of september, theres still about 8 champions I haven't played.

As for blind vs draft. I personally like blind because the games feel more laid back. The only problem with blind is people's rediculous comps. It's also a lot of people doing this same thing (trying out things). Blind is also slightly faster queue, especially when playing with friends.

If you don't care about winning and losing, blind is fine. If you want teammates that give more effort into winning, I'd do draft.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-16 16:30:31
April 16 2012 16:29 GMT
#6352
On April 17 2012 01:11 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2012 01:01 ishboh wrote:
On April 16 2012 23:07 Two_DoWn wrote:
On April 16 2012 23:06 ihasaKAROT wrote:
I dont allways jungle, but when I do I disconnect while killing blue and die at lvl1

Pffff. Thats the secret. I died to red twice last weekend. Won both games.

Hell, the first game the only death I had was to red. Red>entire enemy team.

is there really a negative effect of this? if you die to creeps you really don't lose anything do you? (just the respawn time, which at level 2/3 is pretty fast)


Correct. Although there is ofcourse the eternal shame of dying to mobs.

You lose other buffs

On April 17 2012 00:58 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I would honestly rather you come help push the lane than take my blue. I know that's generally not the mind set in solo q though.

What ap carry do you play that can't push out a wave in two seconds flat? If you're losing lane that hard then the blue will help you come back. Don't make junglers wait. Check the timer for blue buff if you need to so the lane isn't pushing to tower.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
April 16 2012 16:33 GMT
#6353
On April 17 2012 00:58 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I would honestly rather you come help push the lane than take my blue. I know that's generally not the mind set in solo q though.

OMG NOOB GET OUT OF MY LANE OMG 9 REPOTS FUCK OFF MY MINIONS OMG WAT ARE YOU DOING?!?!?!
Yeah, I'd rather ping the blue 15times while doing it and tell them to come, and if they don't come it's their fault, than trying to shove the lane and get whined at.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Schwopzi
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands954 Posts
April 16 2012 16:45 GMT
#6354
On April 17 2012 01:33 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2012 00:58 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I would honestly rather you come help push the lane than take my blue. I know that's generally not the mind set in solo q though.

OMG NOOB GET OUT OF MY LANE OMG 9 REPOTS FUCK OFF MY MINIONS OMG WAT ARE YOU DOING?!?!?!
Yeah, I'd rather ping the blue 15times while doing it and tell them to come, and if they don't come it's their fault, than trying to shove the lane and get whined at.


Even after succesfull ganks where a solo laner end up on ~100 hp & mana and you stay to shove the lane to opposing tower you get a shitton of rage.
Only the dead have seen the end of war
chalice
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1945 Posts
April 16 2012 17:09 GMT
#6355
On April 17 2012 01:33 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2012 00:58 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I would honestly rather you come help push the lane than take my blue. I know that's generally not the mind set in solo q though.

OMG NOOB GET OUT OF MY LANE OMG 9 REPOTS FUCK OFF MY MINIONS OMG WAT ARE YOU DOING?!?!?!
Yeah, I'd rather ping the blue 15times while doing it and tell them to come, and if they don't come it's their fault, than trying to shove the lane and get whined at.


i'm just gonna start yelling "BLUE TAX MOTHERFUCKER!" anytime they complain.
Antyee
Profile Joined May 2011
Hungary1011 Posts
April 16 2012 17:10 GMT
#6356
On April 17 2012 01:33 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2012 00:58 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I would honestly rather you come help push the lane than take my blue. I know that's generally not the mind set in solo q though.

OMG NOOB GET OUT OF MY LANE OMG 9 REPOTS FUCK OFF MY MINIONS OMG WAT ARE YOU DOING?!?!?!
Yeah, I'd rather ping the blue 15times while doing it and tell them to come, and if they don't come it's their fault, than trying to shove the lane and get whined at.



http://i.imgur.com/ufr0k.jpg

Running around like a 6 y/o boy at the beach, dying 6 times to ganks in 15 minutes.
How dare I save his tower.

At least he accidentally wrote it on allchat and this way 9 people were laughing at him.
"My spoon is too big."
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
April 16 2012 17:15 GMT
#6357
On April 17 2012 01:45 Schwopzi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2012 01:33 JackDino wrote:
On April 17 2012 00:58 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I would honestly rather you come help push the lane than take my blue. I know that's generally not the mind set in solo q though.

OMG NOOB GET OUT OF MY LANE OMG 9 REPOTS FUCK OFF MY MINIONS OMG WAT ARE YOU DOING?!?!?!
Yeah, I'd rather ping the blue 15times while doing it and tell them to come, and if they don't come it's their fault, than trying to shove the lane and get whined at.


Even after succesfull ganks where a solo laner end up on ~100 hp & mana and you stay to shove the lane to opposing tower you get a shitton of rage.


My favorite is when they yell at you that they need someone to cover their lane, then when you finally get your ass up from golems all the way to top, they stay in lane with 200hp csing like you're a bodyguard or something.
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
April 16 2012 17:25 GMT
#6358
On April 17 2012 01:01 ishboh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2012 23:07 Two_DoWn wrote:
On April 16 2012 23:06 ihasaKAROT wrote:
I dont allways jungle, but when I do I disconnect while killing blue and die at lvl1

Pffff. Thats the secret. I died to red twice last weekend. Won both games.

Hell, the first game the only death I had was to red. Red>entire enemy team.

is there really a negative effect of this? if you die to creeps you really don't lose anything do you? (just the respawn time, which at level 2/3 is pretty fast)


If you die to creeps you lose:
  • Presence. The enemy team now knows they're safe for at least a minute as you respawn, run back to the jungle, finish whatever camp killed you etc. They can use this time to punish your team.
  • Time. Time is the most valuable resource for a jungler. When you die to a creep camp you lose all the time you spent killing the camp plus the time spent dead plus the time spent running back into the jungle. That's a lot of time which could have been spent farming more or ganking.
  • Control. The enemy jungler can capitalize on your death in a number of ways, from stealing camps to being extra aggressive with their ganks since they don't have to worry about being counter-jungled.
  • Buffs. If you had blue or red, it's gone now.
  • Dignity. Seriously you died to a creep camp WTF.


It may not seem like a big deal since no one pocketed 300 gold off of you, but in the end you still cost yourself and your team significantly.

On April 17 2012 01:29 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2012 00:58 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I would honestly rather you come help push the lane than take my blue. I know that's generally not the mind set in solo q though.

What ap carry do you play that can't push out a wave in two seconds flat? If you're losing lane that hard then the blue will help you come back. Don't make junglers wait. Check the timer for blue buff if you need to so the lane isn't pushing to tower.


For the blue that comes at ~7:15 it's not uncommon for mid to have been forced to expend significant mana to stay on even ground with their opponent. In that case quickly pushing the lane can require expending all remaining mana, meaning they'll have nothing left for blue. It's awkward but it happens.

Later in the game you don't have that excuse.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
April 16 2012 17:27 GMT
#6359
My god, leveling to thirty is a pain.

I've had three Ashe's disconnect after given first blood to the enemy team, two Shens that refused to use their ults to save me, and my teams have never called MIA despite my reminding them over and over to do so.

I'm losing all motivation to play this game, and I only have six levels left to go.
FOR GREAT JUSTICE! Bans for the ban gods!
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
April 16 2012 17:28 GMT
#6360
^ QQ thread yo. Careful with whining.
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