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On April 16 2012 17:15 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 17:03 ihasaKAROT wrote:
But if you have vision in the brush it should be able to imo :/
Someone got some Rumble pointers, cant seem to win with him ever. Lasthitting with him is so much harder then any other solo top for me :s must be doing something wrong Yeah me too, I always end up super underfarmed. I dunno, maybe I always get counterpicked or something but every time I tried him I just... meh. If they smart they just dance around you and the vast majority of your damage useless.
i fp rumble all the time. counterpick dont mean shit with rumble. if youre better you will crush your lane and snowball. not sure what you mean by dance around you. fire is not something you can dodge lol.
if you want replays of me pooping on 2k nubs with rumble pm me.
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On April 16 2012 18:00 BlueSpace wrote:
I don't like it as well but I think the reason is again "simplicity". Cliffs, Trees, Walls... they are all the same thing in LoL while in DOTA they are very different kind of barriers.
I mean, they're not that different in other RTS games--they block vision.
Again, detectors detect up cliffs, through walls, and behind trees in SC as well, provided a unit is giving vision on the other side.
On April 16 2012 18:00 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
FWIW, Detection vision is treated separately from regular vision and uses separate LoS calculations from regular LoS. So that's why Oracle users have to facecheck the brush to see the ward, even if everyone else is sitting in it.
Is this worth changing? Seems to me it's make Baron clearing and stuff much too easy and encourage ward spam but idk. Haven't actually thought about it.
The biggest possible consequence I can think of is that it might affect the Blue/Purple balance quite a bit, as an oracle's holder could clean wards inside the baron pit by standing on the other side of the wall, and tossing a green ward inside the pit to give vision.
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On April 16 2012 18:09 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 18:00 BlueSpace wrote:
I don't like it as well but I think the reason is again "simplicity". Cliffs, Trees, Walls... they are all the same thing in LoL while in DOTA they are very different kind of barriers. I mean, they're not that different in other RTS games--they block vision. Again, detectors detect up cliffs, through walls, and behind trees in SC as well, provided a unit is giving vision on the other side. Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 18:00 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
FWIW, Detection vision is treated separately from regular vision and uses separate LoS calculations from regular LoS. So that's why Oracle users have to facecheck the brush to see the ward, even if everyone else is sitting in it.
Is this worth changing? Seems to me it's make Baron clearing and stuff much too easy and encourage ward spam but idk. Haven't actually thought about it. The biggest possible consequence I can think of is that it might affect the Blue/Purple balance quite a bit, as an oracle's holder could clean wards inside the baron pit by standing on the other side of the wall, and tossing a green ward inside the pit to give vision.
That's not such a big deal, might aswell toss a pinky in it and clear it the same way.
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On April 16 2012 18:14 JackDino wrote:
That's not such a big deal, might aswell toss a pinky in it and clear it the same way.
Well yes, but if you're engaged in the process of clearing/trading wards in the Baron pit, being able to do it safely for 50 gold less every time could be quite significant.
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On April 16 2012 18:06 De4ngus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 17:15 iCanada wrote:On April 16 2012 17:03 ihasaKAROT wrote:
But if you have vision in the brush it should be able to imo :/
Someone got some Rumble pointers, cant seem to win with him ever. Lasthitting with him is so much harder then any other solo top for me :s must be doing something wrong Yeah me too, I always end up super underfarmed. I dunno, maybe I always get counterpicked or something but every time I tried him I just... meh. If they smart they just dance around you and the vast majority of your damage useless. i fp rumble all the time. counterpick dont mean shit with rumble. if youre better you will crush your lane and snowball. not sure what you mean by dance around you. fire is not something you can dodge lol. if you want replays of me pooping on 2k nubs with rumble pm me.
Eh, I've come to terms with the fact that I suck at Rumble. I stick to Riven, Shyvana, and Olaf.
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On April 16 2012 18:00 BlueSpace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 17:57 TheYango wrote:On April 16 2012 17:45 Gorsameth wrote:
A pink ward only reveals the area the ward itself can see. the vision you grant by walking into a bush next to the pink ward is irrelevent.
Same way someone with Oracles standing outside a bush and his ally standing inside a bush with an enemy ward in it wont reveal the ward because the person with Oracle doesnt have vision of it. TBH I can understand why someone would think otherwise--Riot broke with convention established in other RTS games and in DotA (if you have a Missile Turret or Photon Cannon on low ground, it can detect on high ground if other units give it vision, even though the Turret/Cannon itself doesn't have vision on the high ground). It's another one of those little things that Riot changed from convention for no really discernible reason, as the effect it has on gameplay is fairly minor. I don't like it as well but I think the reason is again "simplicity". Cliffs, Trees, Walls... they are all the same thing in LoL while in DOTA they are very different kind of barriers.
they arent completely the same. smaller walls offer ways to move through them as some op heroes. but ye, they are all basically the same.
champs with mobility too stronk ;/
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On April 16 2012 18:26 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 18:06 De4ngus wrote:On April 16 2012 17:15 iCanada wrote:On April 16 2012 17:03 ihasaKAROT wrote:
But if you have vision in the brush it should be able to imo :/
Someone got some Rumble pointers, cant seem to win with him ever. Lasthitting with him is so much harder then any other solo top for me :s must be doing something wrong Yeah me too, I always end up super underfarmed. I dunno, maybe I always get counterpicked or something but every time I tried him I just... meh. If they smart they just dance around you and the vast majority of your damage useless. i fp rumble all the time. counterpick dont mean shit with rumble. if youre better you will crush your lane and snowball. not sure what you mean by dance around you. fire is not something you can dodge lol. if you want replays of me pooping on 2k nubs with rumble pm me. Eh, I've come to terms with the fact that I suck at Rumble. I stick to Riven, Shyvana, and Olaf.
Renekton Yorick and Olaf for me, but I want Rumble in my top champs 
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On April 16 2012 18:27 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 18:00 BlueSpace wrote:On April 16 2012 17:57 TheYango wrote:On April 16 2012 17:45 Gorsameth wrote:
A pink ward only reveals the area the ward itself can see. the vision you grant by walking into a bush next to the pink ward is irrelevent.
Same way someone with Oracles standing outside a bush and his ally standing inside a bush with an enemy ward in it wont reveal the ward because the person with Oracle doesnt have vision of it. TBH I can understand why someone would think otherwise--Riot broke with convention established in other RTS games and in DotA (if you have a Missile Turret or Photon Cannon on low ground, it can detect on high ground if other units give it vision, even though the Turret/Cannon itself doesn't have vision on the high ground). It's another one of those little things that Riot changed from convention for no really discernible reason, as the effect it has on gameplay is fairly minor. I don't like it as well but I think the reason is again "simplicity". Cliffs, Trees, Walls... they are all the same thing in LoL while in DOTA they are very different kind of barriers. they arent completely the same. smaller walls offer ways to move through them as some op heroes. but ye, they are all basically the same. champs with mobility too stronk ;/
Cf. spots where Nautilus Q goes through the wall instead of hooking you to it.
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On April 16 2012 18:09 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 18:00 BlueSpace wrote:
I don't like it as well but I think the reason is again "simplicity". Cliffs, Trees, Walls... they are all the same thing in LoL while in DOTA they are very different kind of barriers. I mean, they're not that different in other RTS games--they block vision. Again, detectors detect up cliffs, through walls, and behind trees in SC as well, provided a unit is giving vision on the other side.
High ground gives vision to low ground but not the other way around in SC2. So dividing something by high/low or a wall is a huge difference while in lol it doesn't matter at all. So I would disagree. This entire mechanic is not present in lol. Cliffs are thin walls and there is no high/low ground in lol despite some sort of graphics that might make you believe otherwise.
EDIT: Sorry messed up the quotes -.-
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Why is viewers from SV stream seems much lower than before IPL4. I though the second place at IPL was pretty good? They would have won the whole thing in another day.
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Cause TSM got 1st, and they're the ones getting the most viewership right now. 7-15k easy, 20 even
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is there a way to know when will the buff pop out again after its being taken? I mean specific timing not just by looking at minimap
blue buff
red buff
dragon
baron
and neutral creeps
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On April 16 2012 20:01 Caphe wrote:
Why is viewers from SV stream seems much lower than before IPL4. I though the second place at IPL was pretty good? They would have won the whole thing in another day.
CLG for a while was not streaming consistently, during which their viewers latched onto other channels. If they keep consistently streaming for a while their viewers will come back. TSM numbers are so high because you can count on them being on every single day. In a similar way, that's one of the reasons Guardsman Bob's numbers stay so high as well.
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On April 16 2012 20:46 justiceknight wrote:
is there a way to know when will the buff pop out again after its being taken? I mean specific timing not just by looking at minimap
blue buff
red buff
dragon
baron
and neutral creeps
Buff camps spawn 5 minutes after clear
Dragon 6
Baron 7
Netral camps spawn every 5 seconds (NOT REALLY BUT IT SURE FEELS THAT WAY)
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On April 16 2012 20:46 justiceknight wrote:
is there a way to know when will the buff pop out again after its being taken? I mean specific timing not just by looking at minimap
blue buff
red buff
dragon
baron
and neutral creeps
Blue and red respawn after five minutes, dragon six, and Baron seven.
Golems and Wolves respawn after a minute, and wraiths are 50 seconds.
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On April 16 2012 20:01 Caphe wrote:
Why is viewers from SV stream seems much lower than before IPL4. I though the second place at IPL was pretty good? They would have won the whole thing if it wasn't for SV.
Fixed.
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On April 16 2012 20:46 justiceknight wrote:
is there a way to know when will the buff pop out again after its being taken? I mean specific timing not just by looking at minimap
blue buff
red buff
dragon
baron
and neutral creeps
Wherever the enemy starts: 7:15 ish for the buff camp respawn, with the second buff being ~ a minute after.
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On April 16 2012 21:42 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 20:46 justiceknight wrote:
is there a way to know when will the buff pop out again after its being taken? I mean specific timing not just by looking at minimap
blue buff
red buff
dragon
baron
and neutral creeps Wherever the enemy starts: 7:15 ish for the buff camp respawn, with the second buff being ~ a minute after.
I think you mean 7:55 (actually they could never kill it in 0 seconds, so 2nd blue/red is usually at around 8:00)
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On April 16 2012 22:13 miicah wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 21:42 Two_DoWn wrote:On April 16 2012 20:46 justiceknight wrote:
is there a way to know when will the buff pop out again after its being taken? I mean specific timing not just by looking at minimap
blue buff
red buff
dragon
baron
and neutral creeps Wherever the enemy starts: 7:15 ish for the buff camp respawn, with the second buff being ~ a minute after. I think you mean 7:55 (actually they could never kill it in 0 seconds, so 2nd blue/red is usually at around 8:00)
1:55 + 5:00 = 6:55
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