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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On April 16 2012 07:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i played lee sin for the first time and lost top lane super hard to akali is that a bad matchup for him or am i doing something wrong Lee doesn't have a bad matchup. It's an easy matchup especially since E and Q negate her shroud. | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On April 16 2012 06:42 Slayer91 wrote: His weakness is that he's a melee without any real tank steriods. If you look at his ratios, his scaling is actually great. Being a melee is a huge fucking disadvantage some people don't seem to appreciate it. Yeah it's really weak to be a melee when you have a cripple, a shield, an insane long range gap closer and escape. Not to mention 3 damage abilities with decent ratios. Right. What other melee can even come close to boasting those things? (aside from, as mentioned, mebbe Jarv?) | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On April 16 2012 07:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i played lee sin for the first time and lost top lane super hard to akali is that a bad matchup for him or am i doing something wrong max w first ;D | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On April 16 2012 07:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i played lee sin for the first time and lost top lane super hard to akali is that a bad matchup for him or am i doing something wrong no, that's a really advantageous matchup for lee because akali's primary defense, shroud, is negated by his vision | ||
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petered
United States1817 Posts
On April 16 2012 06:42 Slayer91 wrote: His weakness is that he's a melee without any real tank steriods. If you look at his ratios, his scaling is actually great. Being a melee is a huge fucking disadvantage some people don't seem to appreciate it. It is a disadvantage to be melee, and yet compared to most other melees he has far higher damage, sustain, and utility. He gets a 200 damage shield and 30 armor for 5 seconds on an 8 second cooldown. That compares favorably with just about every other non ult defensive steroid in the game when you take into consideration he can put the shield on others and he gets a dash. Not to mention he is almost always at full health since he vamps up to full ridiculously fast. I am not saying he is ridiculously OP, just that he has very few disadvantages as a pick compared to almost every other melee champ in the game. Comparing him to non melee champs or APs isn't reasonable since they are filling different roles. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On April 16 2012 07:39 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah it's really weak to be a melee when you have a cripple, a shield, an insane long range gap closer and escape. Not to mention 3 damage abilities with decent ratios. Right. What other melee can even come close to boasting those things? (aside from, as mentioned, mebbe Jarv?) The very fact that Jarvan went from being "OP" to being just fine where he is proves that you can balance high utility by tuning the power level of all the abilities appropriately. High utility is not an intractable balance issue. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23401 Posts
Like lee's 25 armour buff is only when you activate the second w and that's usually a whiile nito the fight since double q and doouble e and w use all your energy until you use passive to get it back. On April 16 2012 07:45 petered wrote: It is a disadvantage to be melee, and yet compared to most other melees he has far higher damage, sustain, and utility. He gets a 200 damage shield and 30 armor for 5 seconds on an 8 second cooldown. That compares favorably with just about every other non ult defensive steroid in the game when you take into consideration he can put the shield on others and he gets a dash. Not to mention he is almost always at full health since he vamps up to full ridiculously fast. I am not saying he is ridiculously OP, just that he has very few disadvantages as a pick compared to almost every other melee champ in the game. Comparing him to non melee champs or APs isn't reasonable since they are filling different roles. Lee sin is not really a must pick or ban status in competitive games or solo queue frmo my expierence. sure he's a really strong champion but you seem to be listing all this stuff as making him one of the best tanks in the game? Please. It's nothing compared to mundo ult or udyr shield because lee runs out of energy fast. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
and yes, I watched EVERY Chronicle commercial... | ||
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epoc
Finland1190 Posts
On April 16 2012 06:49 zodde wrote: Absolutely monstrous farm after 36 mniutes, holy shit. Holy mother of god that farm | ||
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
On April 16 2012 08:18 Slusher wrote: think I'm going to adblock own3d streams until the stop with the scare tactic smoking adds, I'm the first one to say watching adds for the players does nothing to you, but this is something I don't want to watch 3 times every 15 min. and yes, I watched EVERY Chronicle commercial... I've had to do it myself, I don't really need a reminder of the health costs of smoking and it's just abit disturbing to me. Luckly these campaigns only tend to last like a month. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On April 16 2012 08:18 Slusher wrote: think I'm going to adblock own3d streams until the stop with the scare tactic smoking adds, I'm the first one to say watching adds for the players does nothing to you, but this is something I don't want to watch 3 times every 15 min. and yes, I watched EVERY Chronicle commercial... the thing that grinds my gears about own3d tv is that it allows them to do 3 ads in a row which are all the same. we know for a fact from what twitch has revealed here on TL that showing the same ad to the same person gets the streamer almost 0 money. so why even allow them to piss off their viewers like this? | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On April 16 2012 07:45 petered wrote: It is a disadvantage to be melee, and yet compared to most other melees he has far higher damage, sustain, and utility. He gets a 200 damage shield and 30 armor for 5 seconds on an 8 second cooldown. That compares favorably with just about every other non ult defensive steroid in the game when you take into consideration he can put the shield on others and he gets a dash. Not to mention he is almost always at full health since he vamps up to full ridiculously fast. I am not saying he is ridiculously OP, just that he has very few disadvantages as a pick compared to almost every other melee champ in the game. Comparing him to non melee champs or APs isn't reasonable since they are filling different roles. He is really strong sure, but I don't think he does anything significant'y better than any other champion. Several melee champs have those things but better... For example Olaf does more damage (both burst and over time), has a slow, and has better sustain. Riven has similar mobility, has consistent AoE damage, and flat out kills things better. Warwick has better sustain, by nature of his lifesteal is better at trading, and has some pretty big utility/damage in his ult. He does many things well... and is a strong pick by the nature of if you play it right you can realistically win any matchup (aside from maybe Olaf... his damage just isn't there). But I don't think he is some kind of force that auto wins games. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On April 16 2012 07:36 Fuzzmosis wrote: I count 30 free armor as a tank ratio. I count lowering attack speed of opponents as a tank ability. I count a free shield as a tank ability. But that's just me. It's kinda like saying Ashe doesn't have any CC saying that Lee Singa doesn't have tanking skills to me. that and it gives you a free wriggles and revolver | ||
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
Suffice to say, it's the easy solution for Own3d and it makes them look better to the ad company (or perspective companies) if they're showing the ad that much more, even if they aren't charging or paying out much extra for the consecutive views. | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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Praetorial
United States4241 Posts
But really, the buyatoyota.com commercials are absurdly annoying, even worse than than the Roccat ones in terms of narration. The music is fine though. | ||
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23401 Posts
On April 16 2012 08:32 MooMooMugi wrote: Alex Ich's farm looks normal to me! Its not uncommon to hit 200 farm in just 16-17 mins with Galio mid Yeah I don't know what the fuss is about. I consider it a sloppy game if I finish a galio mid game with less than 500 cs. | ||
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UniversalSnip
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