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On March 16 2012 08:29 sob3k wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 07:18 red_ wrote:On March 16 2012 07:03 Seuss wrote:Xerath has three problems: - Many players find him boring (combination of playstyle and aesthetics).
- You can't afford to miss a single skill shot in a team fight, especially with his ult.
- His niche is impinged upon by Ziggs and AP Kog'maw.
These problems do not make him bad, but they make him unpopular. Look I know TL loves Xerath, but that doesn't change the fact that since his release he has had some absolutely awful matchups vs some of the more common AP mids, and that will keep him out of (common) tourney play because you can't risk having your mid be a complete nonfactor due to matchup. Who owns xerath? I can think of LB, Ahri, and kassadin... thats not really any worse than many other mids, LB and Kass are the classic hardcounter mids..
I would go as far to say anyone with mobility beats him. So basically I would add Kennen to that list.
Now that I think about it though, Kennen isn't quite as bursty as those 3. Plus they have better CC in the end. Stun is nice, but a taunt+silence+snare/silence is just da bess.
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On March 16 2012 08:29 sob3k wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 07:18 red_ wrote:On March 16 2012 07:03 Seuss wrote:Xerath has three problems: - Many players find him boring (combination of playstyle and aesthetics).
- You can't afford to miss a single skill shot in a team fight, especially with his ult.
- His niche is impinged upon by Ziggs and AP Kog'maw.
These problems do not make him bad, but they make him unpopular. Look I know TL loves Xerath, but that doesn't change the fact that since his release he has had some absolutely awful matchups vs some of the more common AP mids, and that will keep him out of (common) tourney play because you can't risk having your mid be a complete nonfactor due to matchup. Who owns xerath? I can think of LB, Ahri, and kassadin... thats not really any worse than many other mids, LB and Kass are the classic hardcounter mids..
LB, Ahri, Kassadin, Gragas, Cassio, Anivia, Galio, Kennen, Ziggs, Zilean. At least.
This makes quite a lot of the «popular» mids, and they all are very very strong against him in lane.
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On March 16 2012 08:29 sob3k wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 07:18 red_ wrote:On March 16 2012 07:03 Seuss wrote:Xerath has three problems: - Many players find him boring (combination of playstyle and aesthetics).
- You can't afford to miss a single skill shot in a team fight, especially with his ult.
- His niche is impinged upon by Ziggs and AP Kog'maw.
These problems do not make him bad, but they make him unpopular. Look I know TL loves Xerath, but that doesn't change the fact that since his release he has had some absolutely awful matchups vs some of the more common AP mids, and that will keep him out of (common) tourney play because you can't risk having your mid be a complete nonfactor due to matchup. Who owns xerath? I can think of LB, Ahri, and kassadin... thats not really any worse than many other mids, LB and Kass are the classic hardcounter mids..
None of those except maybe LB beat Xerath. He has ridiculous range and a really powerful lane phase.
The problem with Xerath is two-fold. First, he's really team reliant. He can't just go instagib people by himself like Ahri can and he doesn't have a good initiation either. Second, pretty much no AP mids play him. Chauster is like the only person on NA that can play him well and when Chauster does play Xerath he gets retardedly fed. Also, jiji has a really solid K/D rate with Xerath (like 5.0 iirc) but has a low win rate with him.
I think the main problem with him is his team reliance and the fact that so few APs are good with him. Regi can't play him, scarra can't play him, jiji can't/doesn't play him, and I'm not certain if Salce can but I've never seen Salce play him either.
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On March 16 2012 08:34 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 08:29 sob3k wrote:On March 16 2012 07:18 red_ wrote:On March 16 2012 07:03 Seuss wrote:Xerath has three problems: - Many players find him boring (combination of playstyle and aesthetics).
- You can't afford to miss a single skill shot in a team fight, especially with his ult.
- His niche is impinged upon by Ziggs and AP Kog'maw.
These problems do not make him bad, but they make him unpopular. Look I know TL loves Xerath, but that doesn't change the fact that since his release he has had some absolutely awful matchups vs some of the more common AP mids, and that will keep him out of (common) tourney play because you can't risk having your mid be a complete nonfactor due to matchup. Who owns xerath? I can think of LB, Ahri, and kassadin... thats not really any worse than many other mids, LB and Kass are the classic hardcounter mids.. None of those except maybe LB beat Xerath. He has ridiculous range and a really powerful lane phase. The problem with Xerath is two-fold. First, he's really team reliant. He can't just go instagib people by himself like Ahri can and he doesn't have a good initiation either. Second, pretty much no AP mids play him. Chauster is like the only person on NA that can play him well and when Chauster does play Xerath he gets retardedly fed. Also, jiji has a really solid K/D rate with Xerath (like 5.0 iirc) but has a low win rate with him. I think the main problem with him is his team reliance and the fact that so few APs are good with him. Regi can't play him, scarra can't play him, jiji can't/doesn't play him, and I'm not certain if Salce can but I've never seen Salce play him either.
Kassadin owns pretty much every mid that is squishy. Xerath is no exception.
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On March 16 2012 08:32 mr_tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 08:29 sob3k wrote:On March 16 2012 07:18 red_ wrote:On March 16 2012 07:03 Seuss wrote:Xerath has three problems: - Many players find him boring (combination of playstyle and aesthetics).
- You can't afford to miss a single skill shot in a team fight, especially with his ult.
- His niche is impinged upon by Ziggs and AP Kog'maw.
These problems do not make him bad, but they make him unpopular. Look I know TL loves Xerath, but that doesn't change the fact that since his release he has had some absolutely awful matchups vs some of the more common AP mids, and that will keep him out of (common) tourney play because you can't risk having your mid be a complete nonfactor due to matchup. Who owns xerath? I can think of LB, Ahri, and kassadin... thats not really any worse than many other mids, LB and Kass are the classic hardcounter mids.. LB, Ahri, Kassadin, Gragas, Cassio, Anivia, Galio, Kennen, Ziggs, Zilean. At least. This makes quite a lot of the «popular» mids, and they all are very very strong against him in lane.
...what
you can't just throw out a list of every champ and definitively say THESE ALL BEAT XERATH. you have no evidence or reasoning
>i definitely don't think gragas will beat xerath, it's a push at best. they have equal burst, gragas is more mobile, gragas takes a little less damage, but xerath has that whole ranged thing on him
>anivia, no way, xerath should crush her pre-6. she has no mobility, wall does nothing to him, and he has the mobility with his free ghost to dodge her Q's after he sieges
>galio is a push, neither of these is going to crush the other unless their teamcomps support them properly. it's the case of a poker v an initiator
>ziggs v xerath is pretty even, ziggs probably had the advantage pre-nerf but this is just a skillshot match
>kass does not beat xerath from what i remember. the stun should hit at the same time as the silence and xerath definitely has higher burst overall.
>i have no knowledge of zilean v xerath but i can't see a team taking zilean just to counter xerath. you'd need a zilean-centric teamcomp with a non-gapcloser bruiser, and xerath happens to eat non-gapclosing bruisers alive so that would be a bad pick
-leblanc is an anti-ap, no suprise she wins here, but xerath's lategame is much stronger obviously
-ahri is a legit counter and an equally strong champ
-cass i don't really know the matchup, but cass is a super strong laner so i could see this
-kennen, well yeah duh fuck that guy
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On March 16 2012 08:32 mr_tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 08:29 sob3k wrote:On March 16 2012 07:18 red_ wrote:On March 16 2012 07:03 Seuss wrote:Xerath has three problems: - Many players find him boring (combination of playstyle and aesthetics).
- You can't afford to miss a single skill shot in a team fight, especially with his ult.
- His niche is impinged upon by Ziggs and AP Kog'maw.
These problems do not make him bad, but they make him unpopular. Look I know TL loves Xerath, but that doesn't change the fact that since his release he has had some absolutely awful matchups vs some of the more common AP mids, and that will keep him out of (common) tourney play because you can't risk having your mid be a complete nonfactor due to matchup. Who owns xerath? I can think of LB, Ahri, and kassadin... thats not really any worse than many other mids, LB and Kass are the classic hardcounter mids.. LB, Ahri, Kassadin, Gragas, Cassio, Anivia, Galio, Kennen, Ziggs, Zilean. At least. This makes quite a lot of the «popular» mids, and they all are very very strong against him in lane.
What? I disagree alot. Especially.... how on earth do Gragas, Anivia or Ziggs own Xerath in lane? I've played these matchups a ton and they seem pretty damn even to me at worst. Kennen is also a fine lane, pretty jungle dependant.
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On March 16 2012 08:32 mr_tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 08:29 sob3k wrote:On March 16 2012 07:18 red_ wrote:On March 16 2012 07:03 Seuss wrote:Xerath has three problems: - Many players find him boring (combination of playstyle and aesthetics).
- You can't afford to miss a single skill shot in a team fight, especially with his ult.
- His niche is impinged upon by Ziggs and AP Kog'maw.
These problems do not make him bad, but they make him unpopular. Look I know TL loves Xerath, but that doesn't change the fact that since his release he has had some absolutely awful matchups vs some of the more common AP mids, and that will keep him out of (common) tourney play because you can't risk having your mid be a complete nonfactor due to matchup. Who owns xerath? I can think of LB, Ahri, and kassadin... thats not really any worse than many other mids, LB and Kass are the classic hardcounter mids.. LB, Ahri, Kassadin, Gragas, Cassio, Anivia, Galio, Kennen, Ziggs, Zilean. At least. This makes quite a lot of the «popular» mids, and they all are very very strong against him in lane.
Katarina is a counter, too.
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On March 16 2012 08:37 Cloud9157 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 08:34 overt wrote:On March 16 2012 08:29 sob3k wrote:On March 16 2012 07:18 red_ wrote:On March 16 2012 07:03 Seuss wrote:Xerath has three problems: - Many players find him boring (combination of playstyle and aesthetics).
- You can't afford to miss a single skill shot in a team fight, especially with his ult.
- His niche is impinged upon by Ziggs and AP Kog'maw.
These problems do not make him bad, but they make him unpopular. Look I know TL loves Xerath, but that doesn't change the fact that since his release he has had some absolutely awful matchups vs some of the more common AP mids, and that will keep him out of (common) tourney play because you can't risk having your mid be a complete nonfactor due to matchup. Who owns xerath? I can think of LB, Ahri, and kassadin... thats not really any worse than many other mids, LB and Kass are the classic hardcounter mids.. None of those except maybe LB beat Xerath. He has ridiculous range and a really powerful lane phase. The problem with Xerath is two-fold. First, he's really team reliant. He can't just go instagib people by himself like Ahri can and he doesn't have a good initiation either. Second, pretty much no AP mids play him. Chauster is like the only person on NA that can play him well and when Chauster does play Xerath he gets retardedly fed. Also, jiji has a really solid K/D rate with Xerath (like 5.0 iirc) but has a low win rate with him. I think the main problem with him is his team reliance and the fact that so few APs are good with him. Regi can't play him, scarra can't play him, jiji can't/doesn't play him, and I'm not certain if Salce can but I've never seen Salce play him either. Kassadin owns pretty much every mid that is squishy. Xerath is no exception.
How? How does Kassadin even get in range of Xerath? Even if he does and he silences him Xerath can stun and kill Kassadin at level 6 once the silence wears off.
Turns out 1k range stun plus huge burst is way stronger than a 700 range silence and mobility. I don't understand how people forgot about Chauster's Xerath just because no other NA or EU APs can play him.
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On March 16 2012 08:40 gtrsrs wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 08:32 mr_tolkien wrote:On March 16 2012 08:29 sob3k wrote:On March 16 2012 07:18 red_ wrote:On March 16 2012 07:03 Seuss wrote:Xerath has three problems: - Many players find him boring (combination of playstyle and aesthetics).
- You can't afford to miss a single skill shot in a team fight, especially with his ult.
- His niche is impinged upon by Ziggs and AP Kog'maw.
These problems do not make him bad, but they make him unpopular. Look I know TL loves Xerath, but that doesn't change the fact that since his release he has had some absolutely awful matchups vs some of the more common AP mids, and that will keep him out of (common) tourney play because you can't risk having your mid be a complete nonfactor due to matchup. Who owns xerath? I can think of LB, Ahri, and kassadin... thats not really any worse than many other mids, LB and Kass are the classic hardcounter mids.. LB, Ahri, Kassadin, Gragas, Cassio, Anivia, Galio, Kennen, Ziggs, Zilean. At least. This makes quite a lot of the «popular» mids, and they all are very very strong against him in lane. ...what you can't just throw out a list of every champ and definitively say THESE ALL BEAT XERATH. you have no evidence or reasoning >i definitely don't think gragas will beat xerath, it's a push at best. they have equal burst, gragas is more mobile, gragas takes a little less damage, but xerath has that whole ranged thing on him >anivia, no way, xerath should crush her pre-6. she has no mobility, wall does nothing to him, and he has the mobility with his free ghost to dodge her Q's after he sieges >galio is a push, neither of these is going to crush the other unless their teamcomps support them properly. it's the case of a poker v an initiator >ziggs v xerath is pretty even, ziggs probably had the advantage pre-nerf but this is just a skillshot match >kass does not beat xerath from what i remember. the stun should hit at the same time as the silence and xerath definitely has higher burst overall. >i have no knowledge of zilean v xerath but i can't see a team taking zilean just to counter xerath. you'd need a zilean-centric teamcomp with a non-gapcloser bruiser, and xerath happens to eat non-gapclosing bruisers alive so that would be a bad pick -leblanc is an anti-ap, no suprise she wins here, but xerath's lategame is much stronger obviously -ahri is a legit counter and an equally strong champ -cass i don't really know the matchup, but cass is a super strong laner so i could see this -kennen, well yeah duh fuck that guy
Ok if you want I can type it out :
LB : Very powerful laning phase and poking, can dodge your combo very easily
Ahri : 3 dashes vs 3 hits ult, just the hardest counter possible
Kassadin : mobility, you shouldn't even hit him once
Gragas : casting time on Q allows him to barrel you for free, which makes him trade better than you, with better mana and lane sustain. He can outpush you as well, as well as outgank you. And his ult is a nightmare for you in teamfights.
Cassio : she just has to land Q during any of your spells animation except E and you're pretty much dead. She has to run MR runes though, but with MR runes she just destroys you 1v1 while being better than you in all fields except range.
Anivia : impossible to burst her down twice without a jungler except if she went Rabadon into WotA (LULZ), outpushes you and outscales you past 6.
Galio : generic counter to AP mids, does his job VS Xerath
Kennen : lol kennen
Ziggs : his Q is a nightmare to deal with in laning phase, making it very hard for you to siege up or straight up try to poke him. His kit is way more balanced between utility and damage which makes him incredibly more versatile than you at nearly any stage of the game, with roughly the same nuking power.
Zilean : nobody as OP as Zil in laning phase with blue. You can't even come close.
And yeah Gragas/Anivia/Ziggs are indeed more «even» matchups, but those 3 guys are nearly ungankable, whereas you have friggin xerath with only a single target stun and a micro ghost after you stood still 1s.
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I am tired of this pointless discussion so ill shed some light.
Xerath beats lb with mercs + 20 mr page or cleanese.
Xerath beats kassadin.
Xerath beats ahri's w/o cleanese ( really skill match up )
Xerath has slight disadvantage vs kennen , especially abyssal rush.
Xerath loses to galio.
Xerath loses to well played fizz ( WW tabz comes to mind for a guy who gave me trouble)
Xerath is a snowball champion.
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the lack of morgana on xerath counters is highly disturbing
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On March 16 2012 08:45 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 08:37 Cloud9157 wrote:On March 16 2012 08:34 overt wrote:On March 16 2012 08:29 sob3k wrote:On March 16 2012 07:18 red_ wrote:On March 16 2012 07:03 Seuss wrote:Xerath has three problems: - Many players find him boring (combination of playstyle and aesthetics).
- You can't afford to miss a single skill shot in a team fight, especially with his ult.
- His niche is impinged upon by Ziggs and AP Kog'maw.
These problems do not make him bad, but they make him unpopular. Look I know TL loves Xerath, but that doesn't change the fact that since his release he has had some absolutely awful matchups vs some of the more common AP mids, and that will keep him out of (common) tourney play because you can't risk having your mid be a complete nonfactor due to matchup. Who owns xerath? I can think of LB, Ahri, and kassadin... thats not really any worse than many other mids, LB and Kass are the classic hardcounter mids.. None of those except maybe LB beat Xerath. He has ridiculous range and a really powerful lane phase. The problem with Xerath is two-fold. First, he's really team reliant. He can't just go instagib people by himself like Ahri can and he doesn't have a good initiation either. Second, pretty much no AP mids play him. Chauster is like the only person on NA that can play him well and when Chauster does play Xerath he gets retardedly fed. Also, jiji has a really solid K/D rate with Xerath (like 5.0 iirc) but has a low win rate with him. I think the main problem with him is his team reliance and the fact that so few APs are good with him. Regi can't play him, scarra can't play him, jiji can't/doesn't play him, and I'm not certain if Salce can but I've never seen Salce play him either. Kassadin owns pretty much every mid that is squishy. Xerath is no exception. How? How does Kassadin even get in range of Xerath? Even if he does and he silences him Xerath can stun and kill Kassadin at level 6 once the silence wears off. Turns out 1k range stun plus huge burst is way stronger than a 700 range silence and mobility. I don't understand how people forgot about Chauster's Xerath just because no other NA or EU APs can play him.
Other than Kassadin's passive (which makes him even more of an anti AP) and the fact he will blow Xerath up in 2 or 3 R>Q>E combos, I guess he doesn't.
Xerath doesn't get to siege up or Kassadin flashes in his face. Proper spacing with Kassadin allows him to punish Xerath for sieging, and then get out safely. 2 seconds should be enough time to get back out of danger, even with Xerath's massive range.
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On March 16 2012 08:52 Frolossus wrote:
the lack of morgana on xerath counters is highly disturbing
Maybe because morgana doesnt counter xerath lol , talking about soloq.
On a side not , i've already mentioned that this discussion is pointless because all of you range from 1000 to 2000 elo and your views on the game differ. Refer to my first post on xerath for counters 
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On March 16 2012 08:52 Frolossus wrote:
the lack of morgana on xerath counters is highly disturbing
He clears almost as fast as Morg does though. Her shield is really good and if she hits Xerath with a bind post 6 he can be fucked but Morg is another AP champion that does really well in lane.
Xerath's issue is entirely his mid/late game. When other APs are putting on their man pants and jumping into the other team to duel or initiate fights Xerath has to be protected. So he becomes extremely team reliant. His problem is definitely not laning because his lane phase is crazy good. No one can really push him too hard because his Q clears pretty damn fast and even champions with mobility will just end up getting stunned post 6 anyways.
Of course there's the other issue he has where so few APs will pick him up. But the same was true of release Orianna. The only NA mids who played her were Salce and jiji but that didn't make her any less OP. Xerath is really strong but he's also like the most team reliant AP carry in the game right now.
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On March 16 2012 08:34 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 08:29 sob3k wrote:On March 16 2012 07:18 red_ wrote:On March 16 2012 07:03 Seuss wrote:Xerath has three problems: - Many players find him boring (combination of playstyle and aesthetics).
- You can't afford to miss a single skill shot in a team fight, especially with his ult.
- His niche is impinged upon by Ziggs and AP Kog'maw.
These problems do not make him bad, but they make him unpopular. Look I know TL loves Xerath, but that doesn't change the fact that since his release he has had some absolutely awful matchups vs some of the more common AP mids, and that will keep him out of (common) tourney play because you can't risk having your mid be a complete nonfactor due to matchup. Who owns xerath? I can think of LB, Ahri, and kassadin... thats not really any worse than many other mids, LB and Kass are the classic hardcounter mids.. None of those except maybe LB beat Xerath. He has ridiculous range and a really powerful lane phase. The problem with Xerath is two-fold. First, he's really team reliant. He can't just go instagib people by himself like Ahri can and he doesn't have a good initiation either. Second, pretty much no AP mids play him. Chauster is like the only person on NA that can play him well and when Chauster does play Xerath he gets retardedly fed. Also, jiji has a really solid K/D rate with Xerath (like 5.0 iirc) but has a low win rate with him. I think the main problem with him is his team reliance and the fact that so few APs are good with him. Regi can't play him, scarra can't play him, jiji can't/doesn't play him, and I'm not certain if Salce can but I've never seen Salce play him either.
Thats just not true, Xerath burst is bigger than Ahri's hands down
A full combo from both at 500AP maxed is:
Ahri: EQWRRR
E: 355
Q: 610
W: 700
R: 990
Total: 2655
Xerath: WERQRR
W: 0
E:620
R:1725
Q:535
Total: 2880
This isnt even counting the fact that if you aren't at max range you can get another Q off from Xerath bringing it up to 3415. And the fact that Ahri is in a much more dangerous position when she full combos.
Ahri gets 300 true damage while Xerath gets 30% free magic pen, which i'm guessing he comes out on top in too.
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Tbh, I've played with and vs Dyrus quite a few times, I know my opinion might not account for too much and also how he does in a team. But from stream my own experiences playing top only and so on I must say he plays a beautiful solo top. He really knows how to play it and improve from what he does, what characters works and how and how to avoid the problems which can happen while playing top. I've played with Rainman and many other great tops as well, and yet again my opinion doesn't account for that much and tournament play in particular but his reasoning, analyzing and execution is just worse than Dyrus. I think Dyrus will be a very strong addition to TSM and if anything he won't be the problem on the team, that is for sure in MY opinion.
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The problem with Xerath is people dont actually know how he works since he isnt played, and assume that since he isnt played he must be bad. As a result, they come up with bad explanations for why he isnt played in order to justify their conclusion.
Its the same thing that happens with every underplayed but strong champion, Irelia, Ori, Cassio, ect.
Just because someone isnt played doenst mean they are weak. Xerath's lane is actually INCREDIBLY strong. The only person he really straight up loses to is LB (but she beats just about everyone). Every other lane Xerath is perfectly fine in, or wins.
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On March 16 2012 09:01 sob3k wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 08:34 overt wrote:On March 16 2012 08:29 sob3k wrote:On March 16 2012 07:18 red_ wrote:On March 16 2012 07:03 Seuss wrote:Xerath has three problems: - Many players find him boring (combination of playstyle and aesthetics).
- You can't afford to miss a single skill shot in a team fight, especially with his ult.
- His niche is impinged upon by Ziggs and AP Kog'maw.
These problems do not make him bad, but they make him unpopular. Look I know TL loves Xerath, but that doesn't change the fact that since his release he has had some absolutely awful matchups vs some of the more common AP mids, and that will keep him out of (common) tourney play because you can't risk having your mid be a complete nonfactor due to matchup. Who owns xerath? I can think of LB, Ahri, and kassadin... thats not really any worse than many other mids, LB and Kass are the classic hardcounter mids.. None of those except maybe LB beat Xerath. He has ridiculous range and a really powerful lane phase. The problem with Xerath is two-fold. First, he's really team reliant. He can't just go instagib people by himself like Ahri can and he doesn't have a good initiation either. Second, pretty much no AP mids play him. Chauster is like the only person on NA that can play him well and when Chauster does play Xerath he gets retardedly fed. Also, jiji has a really solid K/D rate with Xerath (like 5.0 iirc) but has a low win rate with him. I think the main problem with him is his team reliance and the fact that so few APs are good with him. Regi can't play him, scarra can't play him, jiji can't/doesn't play him, and I'm not certain if Salce can but I've never seen Salce play him either. Thats just not true, Xerath burst is bigger than Ahri's hands down
Sorry, I wasn't being clear right there. What I mean is that Ahri can juke around a team and insta-gib people. She can just jump into the middle of an enemy team when the time is right. Like lots of other APs can.
Xerath has to stay back and has to be defended. If he overextends to burst someone down he'll get himself killed. Probably before he can even gib his target. Other APs don't suffer from that handicap.
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On March 16 2012 09:05 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 09:01 sob3k wrote:On March 16 2012 08:34 overt wrote:On March 16 2012 08:29 sob3k wrote:On March 16 2012 07:18 red_ wrote:On March 16 2012 07:03 Seuss wrote:Xerath has three problems: - Many players find him boring (combination of playstyle and aesthetics).
- You can't afford to miss a single skill shot in a team fight, especially with his ult.
- His niche is impinged upon by Ziggs and AP Kog'maw.
These problems do not make him bad, but they make him unpopular. Look I know TL loves Xerath, but that doesn't change the fact that since his release he has had some absolutely awful matchups vs some of the more common AP mids, and that will keep him out of (common) tourney play because you can't risk having your mid be a complete nonfactor due to matchup. Who owns xerath? I can think of LB, Ahri, and kassadin... thats not really any worse than many other mids, LB and Kass are the classic hardcounter mids.. None of those except maybe LB beat Xerath. He has ridiculous range and a really powerful lane phase. The problem with Xerath is two-fold. First, he's really team reliant. He can't just go instagib people by himself like Ahri can and he doesn't have a good initiation either. Second, pretty much no AP mids play him. Chauster is like the only person on NA that can play him well and when Chauster does play Xerath he gets retardedly fed. Also, jiji has a really solid K/D rate with Xerath (like 5.0 iirc) but has a low win rate with him. I think the main problem with him is his team reliance and the fact that so few APs are good with him. Regi can't play him, scarra can't play him, jiji can't/doesn't play him, and I'm not certain if Salce can but I've never seen Salce play him either. Thats just not true, Xerath burst is bigger than Ahri's hands down Sorry, I wasn't being clear right there. What I mean is that Ahri can juke around a team and insta-gib people. She can just jump into the middle of an enemy team when the time is right. Like lots of other APs can. Xerath has to stay back and has to be defended. If he overextends to burst someone down he'll get himself killed. Probably before he can even gib his target. Other APs don't suffer from that handicap.
Xerath doesnt have to juke anyone or extend at all to go for someone....his entire combo can be carried out at 1000 range....
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On March 16 2012 09:05 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 09:01 sob3k wrote:On March 16 2012 08:34 overt wrote:On March 16 2012 08:29 sob3k wrote:On March 16 2012 07:18 red_ wrote:On March 16 2012 07:03 Seuss wrote:Xerath has three problems: - Many players find him boring (combination of playstyle and aesthetics).
- You can't afford to miss a single skill shot in a team fight, especially with his ult.
- His niche is impinged upon by Ziggs and AP Kog'maw.
These problems do not make him bad, but they make him unpopular. Look I know TL loves Xerath, but that doesn't change the fact that since his release he has had some absolutely awful matchups vs some of the more common AP mids, and that will keep him out of (common) tourney play because you can't risk having your mid be a complete nonfactor due to matchup. Who owns xerath? I can think of LB, Ahri, and kassadin... thats not really any worse than many other mids, LB and Kass are the classic hardcounter mids.. None of those except maybe LB beat Xerath. He has ridiculous range and a really powerful lane phase. The problem with Xerath is two-fold. First, he's really team reliant. He can't just go instagib people by himself like Ahri can and he doesn't have a good initiation either. Second, pretty much no AP mids play him. Chauster is like the only person on NA that can play him well and when Chauster does play Xerath he gets retardedly fed. Also, jiji has a really solid K/D rate with Xerath (like 5.0 iirc) but has a low win rate with him. I think the main problem with him is his team reliance and the fact that so few APs are good with him. Regi can't play him, scarra can't play him, jiji can't/doesn't play him, and I'm not certain if Salce can but I've never seen Salce play him either. Thats just not true, Xerath burst is bigger than Ahri's hands down Sorry, I wasn't being clear right there. What I mean is that Ahri can juke around a team and insta-gib people. She can just jump into the middle of an enemy team when the time is right. Like lots of other APs can. Xerath has to stay back and has to be defended. If he overextends to burst someone down he'll get himself killed. Probably before he can even gib his target. Other APs don't suffer from that handicap.
No. Other Ap's need to shove themselves front and center in order to do damage, which is even worse. Xerath's ability to do damage from range is his best feature. The problem is this is fundamentally different from other characters, so most average Xeraths dont know how to position themselves properly.
The problem is most people dont know how to run an actual comp that works. If you run Xerath in an M5 style lineup with aggressive top and jungle, the last thing someone is going to want to do is go through the team to hit Xerath.
Or you can just be Chauster and straight up beast people. Seriously, someone should try to find those vods from a while ago when Chauster was running mid for CLG. Teams literally had to ban out Xerath when playing CLG because Chauster was running shit.
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