On March 16 2012 09:04 Two_DoWn wrote: The problem with Xerath is people dont actually know how he works since he isnt played, and assume that since he isnt played he must be bad. As a result, they come up with bad explanations for why he isnt played in order to justify their conclusion.
Its the same thing that happens with every underplayed but strong champion, Irelia, Ori, Cassio, ect.
Just because someone isnt played doenst mean they are weak. Xerath's lane is actually INCREDIBLY strong. The only person he really straight up loses to is LB (but she beats just about everyone). Every other lane Xerath is perfectly fine in, or wins.
Well, Xerath is one of my 4 main mids, with Cassio, Ori, and Ryze, so I in fact have played quite a lot of games with him and realize he can be very strong if he gets a few kills.
But the more I play him against good players, the more I realize even though you can play super safe the whole game thanks to your range, you rarely can outright win your lane without a few ganks, and your ganks, as powerful as they might be, really are hindered by your terrible mobility. He clears his lane fast and safe, but who doesn't by now ? He has major downsides, but yeah, he is a godlike nuker with pushing power. Too bad there are a lot of champions with those characteristics who can offer more to their teams, and still be useful in case of a very hard engage on them (I dare you to do any good in a teamfight if a WW flash ults you or a noct ults you). This makes him a team-reliant and 2nd pick champ, not bad, just not at the very top.
On March 16 2012 07:03 Seuss wrote: Xerath has three problems:
Many players find him boring (combination of playstyle and aesthetics).
You can't afford to miss a single skill shot in a team fight, especially with his ult.
His niche is impinged upon by Ziggs and AP Kog'maw.
These problems do not make him bad, but they make him unpopular.
Look I know TL loves Xerath, but that doesn't change the fact that since his release he has had some absolutely awful matchups vs some of the more common AP mids, and that will keep him out of (common) tourney play because you can't risk having your mid be a complete nonfactor due to matchup.
Who owns xerath? I can think of LB, Ahri, and kassadin... thats not really any worse than many other mids, LB and Kass are the classic hardcounter mids..
None of those except maybe LB beat Xerath. He has ridiculous range and a really powerful lane phase.
The problem with Xerath is two-fold. First, he's really team reliant. He can't just go instagib people by himself like Ahri can and he doesn't have a good initiation either. Second, pretty much no AP mids play him. Chauster is like the only person on NA that can play him well and when Chauster does play Xerath he gets retardedly fed. Also, jiji has a really solid K/D rate with Xerath (like 5.0 iirc) but has a low win rate with him.
I think the main problem with him is his team reliance and the fact that so few APs are good with him. Regi can't play him, scarra can't play him, jiji can't/doesn't play him, and I'm not certain if Salce can but I've never seen Salce play him either.
Thats just not true, Xerath burst is bigger than Ahri's hands down
Sorry, I wasn't being clear right there. What I mean is that Ahri can juke around a team and insta-gib people. She can just jump into the middle of an enemy team when the time is right. Like lots of other APs can.
Xerath has to stay back and has to be defended. If he overextends to burst someone down he'll get himself killed. Probably before he can even gib his target. Other APs don't suffer from that handicap.
Xerath doesnt have to juke anyone or extend at all to go for someone....his entire combo can be carried out at 1000 range....
this means that if you can set up and nuke everyone from 1000 range, that's great sometimes, however, the circumstances aren't always perfect (for example if a nocturne jumps you, et cetera) and if hes not far enough away when the team fight starts, he has no mean of escaping and could possibly do zero damage
On March 16 2012 07:03 Seuss wrote: Xerath has three problems:
Many players find him boring (combination of playstyle and aesthetics).
You can't afford to miss a single skill shot in a team fight, especially with his ult.
His niche is impinged upon by Ziggs and AP Kog'maw.
These problems do not make him bad, but they make him unpopular.
Look I know TL loves Xerath, but that doesn't change the fact that since his release he has had some absolutely awful matchups vs some of the more common AP mids, and that will keep him out of (common) tourney play because you can't risk having your mid be a complete nonfactor due to matchup.
Who owns xerath? I can think of LB, Ahri, and kassadin... thats not really any worse than many other mids, LB and Kass are the classic hardcounter mids..
None of those except maybe LB beat Xerath. He has ridiculous range and a really powerful lane phase.
The problem with Xerath is two-fold. First, he's really team reliant. He can't just go instagib people by himself like Ahri can and he doesn't have a good initiation either. Second, pretty much no AP mids play him. Chauster is like the only person on NA that can play him well and when Chauster does play Xerath he gets retardedly fed. Also, jiji has a really solid K/D rate with Xerath (like 5.0 iirc) but has a low win rate with him.
I think the main problem with him is his team reliance and the fact that so few APs are good with him. Regi can't play him, scarra can't play him, jiji can't/doesn't play him, and I'm not certain if Salce can but I've never seen Salce play him either.
Kassadin owns pretty much every mid that is squishy. Xerath is no exception.
I still maintain that Annie dominates Kassadin in midlane. Stun+w+autos too hard for him to trade with.
On March 16 2012 09:04 Two_DoWn wrote: The problem with Xerath is people dont actually know how he works since he isnt played, and assume that since he isnt played he must be bad. As a result, they come up with bad explanations for why he isnt played in order to justify their conclusion.
Its the same thing that happens with every underplayed but strong champion, Irelia, Ori, Cassio, ect.
Just because someone isnt played doenst mean they are weak. Xerath's lane is actually INCREDIBLY strong. The only person he really straight up loses to is LB (but she beats just about everyone). Every other lane Xerath is perfectly fine in, or wins.
Well, Xerath is one of my 4 main mids, with Cassio, Ori, and Ryze, so I in fact have played quite a lot of games with him and realize he can be very strong if he gets a few kills.
But the more I play him against good players, the more I realize even though you can play super safe the whole game thanks to your range, you rarely can outright win your lane without a few ganks, and your ganks, as powerful as they might be, really are hindered by your terrible mobility. He clears his lane fast and safe, but who doesn't by now ? He as major downside, but yeah, he is a godlike nuker with pushing power. Too bad there are a lot of champions with those characteristics who can offer more to their teams, and still be useful in case of a very hard engage on them (I dare you to do any good in a teamfight if a WW flash ults you or a noct ults you).
Outright win=/counter. Orianna doesnt win ANY lanes, but have you seen what salce can do with her?
As for your other point, have you seen what happens when ww jumps on literally ANY other mage? Or Nocturne? Hint: Its the same as when he jumps xerath. A bruisers job is to get a mage to either blow their escape or blow their damage. Even Ahri is pretty much helpless to a Noct ult because he is forcing her to do exactly what he wants: blow her ult to try to get away from him and not damage his team. Xerath actually deals with this BETTER than other mages because he forces the enemy to run through the team to get to him.
On March 16 2012 09:04 Two_DoWn wrote: The problem with Xerath is people dont actually know how he works since he isnt played, and assume that since he isnt played he must be bad. As a result, they come up with bad explanations for why he isnt played in order to justify their conclusion.
Its the same thing that happens with every underplayed but strong champion, Irelia, Ori, Cassio, ect.
Just because someone isnt played doenst mean they are weak. Xerath's lane is actually INCREDIBLY strong. The only person he really straight up loses to is LB (but she beats just about everyone). Every other lane Xerath is perfectly fine in, or wins.
Well, Xerath is one of my 4 main mids, with Cassio, Ori, and Ryze, so I in fact have played quite a lot of games with him and realize he can be very strong if he gets a few kills.
But the more I play him against good players, the more I realize even though you can play super safe the whole game thanks to your range, you rarely can outright win your lane without a few ganks, and your ganks, as powerful as they might be, really are hindered by your terrible mobility. He clears his lane fast and safe, but who doesn't by now ? He as major downside, but yeah, he is a godlike nuker with pushing power. Too bad there are a lot of champions with those characteristics who can offer more to their teams, and still be useful in case of a very hard engage on them (I dare you to do any good in a teamfight if a WW flash ults you or a noct ults you).
Outright win=/counter. Orianna doesnt win ANY lanes, but have you seen what salce can do with him?
As for your other point, have you seen what happens when ww jumps on literally ANY other mage? Or Nocturne? Hint: Its the same as when he jumps xerath. A bruisers job is to get a mage to either blow their escape or blow their damage. Xerath actually deals with this BETTER than other mages because he forces the enemy to run through the team to get to him.
Oh god no.
Orianna does win a lot of lanes in the first place through her very strong zoning potential, and she adds so much more to your team than row damage. It's not even comparable to xerath, an Orianna with 50cs at 20 minutes will still be able to provide something to her team. Xerath is just a 100% Rabadon reliant nuker. And forgive me but if a WW/Noct jumps on me as Ryze or Cassio I just L.O.fucking.L. all over their face. I can kite them around while vamping absurd amount of life and deter their team from following. Xerath becomes pretty much 100% useless as soon as anybody can hit him.
On March 16 2012 07:03 Seuss wrote: Xerath has three problems:
Many players find him boring (combination of playstyle and aesthetics).
You can't afford to miss a single skill shot in a team fight, especially with his ult.
His niche is impinged upon by Ziggs and AP Kog'maw.
These problems do not make him bad, but they make him unpopular.
Look I know TL loves Xerath, but that doesn't change the fact that since his release he has had some absolutely awful matchups vs some of the more common AP mids, and that will keep him out of (common) tourney play because you can't risk having your mid be a complete nonfactor due to matchup.
Who owns xerath? I can think of LB, Ahri, and kassadin... thats not really any worse than many other mids, LB and Kass are the classic hardcounter mids..
None of those except maybe LB beat Xerath. He has ridiculous range and a really powerful lane phase.
The problem with Xerath is two-fold. First, he's really team reliant. He can't just go instagib people by himself like Ahri can and he doesn't have a good initiation either. Second, pretty much no AP mids play him. Chauster is like the only person on NA that can play him well and when Chauster does play Xerath he gets retardedly fed. Also, jiji has a really solid K/D rate with Xerath (like 5.0 iirc) but has a low win rate with him.
I think the main problem with him is his team reliance and the fact that so few APs are good with him. Regi can't play him, scarra can't play him, jiji can't/doesn't play him, and I'm not certain if Salce can but I've never seen Salce play him either.
Kassadin owns pretty much every mid that is squishy. Xerath is no exception.
I still maintain that Annie dominates Kassadin in midlane. Stun+w+autos too hard for him to trade with.
Which is why I was careful to not say "all" squishy APs. Annie burst is retarded right when she hits 6. The only champ I've managed to beat her with on a consistent basis is Swain. Swain just stands there and takes pretty much anyone's burst, albeit barely against someone like Annie.
Kass can beat her, but I would really think Annie should win trades with her stun. I doubt even 15% damage reduction is enough to withstand her bear combo.
I haven't watched this scrim so I dunno how well Chauster does in it but Regi is running Kassadin against him and iirc CLG didn't drop a single game with Chauster on Xerath NVM I HAVE SHIT MEMORY. So yeah, I dunno how much "evidence" this will be other than Xerath is definitely 100% viable if other APs would just pick him up and learn him.
edit: Also, sadly it's from Chaox's pov so again, not ideal. Chauster got legendary during a few scrims against TSM on Xerath though. Not sure if this is one of them.
I haven't watched this scrim so I dunno how well Chauster does in it but Regi is running Kassadin against him and iirc CLG didn't drop a single game with Chauster on Xerath NVM I HAVE SHIT MEMORY. So yeah, I dunno how much "evidence" this will be other than Xerath is definitely 100% viable if other APs would just pick him up and learn him.
edit: Also, sadly it's from Chaox's pov so again, not ideal. Chauster got legendary during a few scrims against TSM on Xerath though. Not sure if this is one of them.
EDIT: full retard, didn't see date of the video >.>
On March 16 2012 09:04 Two_DoWn wrote: The problem with Xerath is people dont actually know how he works since he isnt played, and assume that since he isnt played he must be bad. As a result, they come up with bad explanations for why he isnt played in order to justify their conclusion.
Its the same thing that happens with every underplayed but strong champion, Irelia, Ori, Cassio, ect.
Just because someone isnt played doenst mean they are weak. Xerath's lane is actually INCREDIBLY strong. The only person he really straight up loses to is LB (but she beats just about everyone). Every other lane Xerath is perfectly fine in, or wins.
Well, Xerath is one of my 4 main mids, with Cassio, Ori, and Ryze, so I in fact have played quite a lot of games with him and realize he can be very strong if he gets a few kills.
But the more I play him against good players, the more I realize even though you can play super safe the whole game thanks to your range, you rarely can outright win your lane without a few ganks, and your ganks, as powerful as they might be, really are hindered by your terrible mobility. He clears his lane fast and safe, but who doesn't by now ? He as major downside, but yeah, he is a godlike nuker with pushing power. Too bad there are a lot of champions with those characteristics who can offer more to their teams, and still be useful in case of a very hard engage on them (I dare you to do any good in a teamfight if a WW flash ults you or a noct ults you).
Outright win=/counter. Orianna doesnt win ANY lanes, but have you seen what salce can do with him?
As for your other point, have you seen what happens when ww jumps on literally ANY other mage? Or Nocturne? Hint: Its the same as when he jumps xerath. A bruisers job is to get a mage to either blow their escape or blow their damage. Xerath actually deals with this BETTER than other mages because he forces the enemy to run through the team to get to him.
Oh god no.
Orianna does win a lot of lane in the first place through her very strong zoning potential, and she adds so much more to your team than row damage. It's not even comparable to xerath, an Orianna with 50cs at 20 minutes will still be able to provide something to her team. Xerath is just a 100% Rabadon reliant nuker. And forgive me but if a WW/Noct jumps on me as Ryze or Cassio I just L.O.fucking.L. all over their face. I can kite them around while vamping absurd amount of life and deter their team from following. Xerath becomes pretty much 100% useless as soon as anybody can hit him.
I'd like to see you play a mage against my WW. Anyone you want. It wont be pretty.
Look. The hardest ad carry in the game is widely accepted to be Tristana, with Kog'Maw in a close second. Why is that? In terms of damage Vayne deals more. RANGE. The ability unload from distance is the single most important factor for a carry who builds pure damage.
All the complaints that you have had about Xerath deal with a) your team doing a shit job of teamfighting, or b) positioning poorly. It should not matter if anyone gets to you. Because you should have 3 cds ticking by the time they do. Unlike every other mage in the game (besides ap kog) you have the potential to unload all of your damage without EVER being in harms way. If you die, it is entirely your own fault (or your team is REALLY freakin weak and bad. Hey, it happens some times in solo q).
That range IS what he brings to the team, by the way. You dont use your ult in a teamfight. You use it before hand to make sure that the enemy team starts off at half health, just like gragas barrel.
And what lanes does Ori actually win? She can not die in a lot of them, but she doesnt beast anyone. Anytime Salce gets a kill with her its because the enemy did something stupid. Thats the kind of mid she is.
On March 16 2012 09:04 Two_DoWn wrote: The problem with Xerath is people dont actually know how he works since he isnt played, and assume that since he isnt played he must be bad. As a result, they come up with bad explanations for why he isnt played in order to justify their conclusion.
Its the same thing that happens with every underplayed but strong champion, Irelia, Ori, Cassio, ect.
Just because someone isnt played doenst mean they are weak. Xerath's lane is actually INCREDIBLY strong. The only person he really straight up loses to is LB (but she beats just about everyone). Every other lane Xerath is perfectly fine in, or wins.
... And sometimes when a champ isn't played they really are weak. I don't know about the euros as much, but pretty much every big time NA AP carry spent substantial time with Xerath coming out of the tourney they played right as his patch launched(I want to say it was an MLG but that's fairly irrelevant), and yet he still hasn't received much tourney time.
I have never in all the times we've discussed Xerath said I think he's a bad champ, but for some reason the majority on this forum has long thought he is some crazy overlooked OP permaban waiting to happen, and it's just not true. He's an extremely situational pick because there are just stronger APs to choose from.
I haven't watched this scrim so I dunno how well Chauster does in it but Regi is running Kassadin against him and iirc CLG didn't drop a single game with Chauster on Xerath NVM I HAVE SHIT MEMORY. So yeah, I dunno how much "evidence" this will be other than Xerath is definitely 100% viable if other APs would just pick him up and learn him.
edit: Also, sadly it's from Chaox's pov so again, not ideal. Chauster got legendary during a few scrims against TSM on Xerath though. Not sure if this is one of them.
Hmm, I thought they only had 1 laptop in korea (clg).
This is an older scrim. Before Doublelift rejoined CLG when they were trying out jiji on AD carry and Chauster on AP.
On March 16 2012 09:04 Two_DoWn wrote: The problem with Xerath is people dont actually know how he works since he isnt played, and assume that since he isnt played he must be bad. As a result, they come up with bad explanations for why he isnt played in order to justify their conclusion.
Its the same thing that happens with every underplayed but strong champion, Irelia, Ori, Cassio, ect.
Just because someone isnt played doenst mean they are weak. Xerath's lane is actually INCREDIBLY strong. The only person he really straight up loses to is LB (but she beats just about everyone). Every other lane Xerath is perfectly fine in, or wins.
... And sometimes when a champ isn't played they really are weak. I don't know about the euros as much, but pretty much every big time NA AP carry spent substantial time with Xerath coming out of the tourney they played right as his patch launched(I want to say it was an MLG but that's fairly irrelevant), and yet he still hasn't received much tourney time.
I have never in all the times we've discussed Xerath said I think he's a bad champ, but for some reason the majority on this forum has long thought he is some crazy overlooked OP permaban waiting to happen, and it's just not true. He's an extremely situational pick because there are just stronger APs to choose from.
Reginald and scarra are really bad at Xerath. They just straight up can't play him. Neither of them could play release Orianna either who was crazy OP. jiji isn't that good with Xerath. I have no idea about Salce cause EG does so little and I rarely ever catch his stream. I dunno enough about the EU scene to say anything about their AP carries.
On March 16 2012 09:04 Two_DoWn wrote: The problem with Xerath is people dont actually know how he works since he isnt played, and assume that since he isnt played he must be bad. As a result, they come up with bad explanations for why he isnt played in order to justify their conclusion.
Its the same thing that happens with every underplayed but strong champion, Irelia, Ori, Cassio, ect.
Just because someone isnt played doenst mean they are weak. Xerath's lane is actually INCREDIBLY strong. The only person he really straight up loses to is LB (but she beats just about everyone). Every other lane Xerath is perfectly fine in, or wins.
... And sometimes when a champ isn't played they really are weak. I don't know about the euros as much, but pretty much every big time NA AP carry spent substantial time with Xerath coming out of the tourney they played right as his patch launched(I want to say it was an MLG but that's fairly irrelevant), and yet he still hasn't received much tourney time.
I have never in all the times we've discussed Xerath said I think he's a bad champ, but for some reason the majority on this forum has long thought he is some crazy overlooked OP permaban waiting to happen, and it's just not true. He's an extremely situational pick because there are just stronger APs to choose from.
I dont think you can write him off. The list of sleeper op (or sleeper really really good) champions who werent played for over a year is far longer than the list of champions who werent played because they sucked. Most of the time pro players and the community are just wrong.
The only pro player who ever came close to ACTUALLY trying to learn Xerath was chauster, and he stomped with him. But then he switched back to bot.
On March 16 2012 09:04 Two_DoWn wrote: The problem with Xerath is people dont actually know how he works since he isnt played, and assume that since he isnt played he must be bad. As a result, they come up with bad explanations for why he isnt played in order to justify their conclusion.
Its the same thing that happens with every underplayed but strong champion, Irelia, Ori, Cassio, ect.
Just because someone isnt played doenst mean they are weak. Xerath's lane is actually INCREDIBLY strong. The only person he really straight up loses to is LB (but she beats just about everyone). Every other lane Xerath is perfectly fine in, or wins.
... And sometimes when a champ isn't played they really are weak. I don't know about the euros as much, but pretty much every big time NA AP carry spent substantial time with Xerath coming out of the tourney they played right as his patch launched(I want to say it was an MLG but that's fairly irrelevant), and yet he still hasn't received much tourney time.
I have never in all the times we've discussed Xerath said I think he's a bad champ, but for some reason the majority on this forum has long thought he is some crazy overlooked OP permaban waiting to happen, and it's just not true. He's an extremely situational pick because there are just stronger APs to choose from.
I dont think you can write him off. The list of sleeper op (or sleeper really really good) champions who werent played for over a year is far longer than the list of champions who werent played because they sucked. Most of the time pro players and the community are just wrong.
The only pro player who ever came close to ACTUALLY trying to learn Xerath was chauster, and he stomped with him. But then he switched back to bot.
I would love to see this list of 'sleeper' champs that weren't played for 'over a year' without balance changes. Why do you even type shit like that.
On March 16 2012 09:04 Two_DoWn wrote: The problem with Xerath is people dont actually know how he works since he isnt played, and assume that since he isnt played he must be bad. As a result, they come up with bad explanations for why he isnt played in order to justify their conclusion.
Its the same thing that happens with every underplayed but strong champion, Irelia, Ori, Cassio, ect.
Just because someone isnt played doenst mean they are weak. Xerath's lane is actually INCREDIBLY strong. The only person he really straight up loses to is LB (but she beats just about everyone). Every other lane Xerath is perfectly fine in, or wins.
... And sometimes when a champ isn't played they really are weak. I don't know about the euros as much, but pretty much every big time NA AP carry spent substantial time with Xerath coming out of the tourney they played right as his patch launched(I want to say it was an MLG but that's fairly irrelevant), and yet he still hasn't received much tourney time.
I have never in all the times we've discussed Xerath said I think he's a bad champ, but for some reason the majority on this forum has long thought he is some crazy overlooked OP permaban waiting to happen, and it's just not true. He's an extremely situational pick because there are just stronger APs to choose from.
I dont think you can write him off. The list of sleeper op (or sleeper really really good) champions who werent played for over a year is far longer than the list of champions who werent played because they sucked. Most of the time pro players and the community are just wrong.
The only pro player who ever came close to ACTUALLY trying to learn Xerath was chauster, and he stomped with him. But then he switched back to bot.
I would love to see this list of 'sleeper' champs that weren't played for 'over a year' without balance changes. Why do you even type shit like that.
There was a long discussion before about champions who get slightly nerfed, and then people stop playing them even though they are still incredibly good, but because they were nerfed everyone thinks they suck now. I'm assuming that's what is meant by "sleepers."
People always find reasons why unpopular champions aren't played. Biggest example: Poppy, but now people are playing her they realize she's not that bad after all. Remember mordekaiser? Only good in low elo because only baddies die to no cc champ. Xerath? Was always strong and everyone stopped playing him because they went back to what they were used to. Orianna? Got a minor nerf and only salce plays her.
Heroes that never had a long FoTM period need people who really like them to show how good they are, otherwise people stick to what they know. Chauster was saying mundo was strong all the time, he got a decent buff and now he's one of the top junglers? Rammus was forgotten for so long and then taken up and perma banned until everyone forgets about him again.
Remember when someone I think shake was laughing at 1200 elo players perma banning shen and rammus all the time like 6 months ago? Yeah, who's laughing now.
The reason people wait for buffs because - they have perfectly functional champions that they have far from skill capped, so why learn a new champ from scratch unless he gets buffed to a point where he doesn't need really refined play to be strong?
Renekton was left alone after his big nerf but suddenly wickds all like RENEKTON OP. Jarvan has been abandoned and we might see him again soon if top lane favours his matchups.
Man, I dont know how many of you have Dota2 keys, but the Ingame spectator feature is just SO FUCKING COOL.
Just go in and watch pros play in full graphic glory ingame is amazing, and their autocam feature is brilliant always catching every play. Its like a caster is controlling it except they dont miss first blood watching someone CS. Or you can turn it off and just watch a specific player or whatever...
Xerath has no exposure because he is a shitty solo Q champion. He needs a team to protect him or he crumbles once people are on top of him.
He isn't played in teams, I assume, because he is not at all fun to play (it's why I don't play him). There are plenty of other extremely strong mages that are actually enjoyable to play. Mid is by far the most flexible lane because people can excel very far off of just skill, regardless of what champions "counter" others.
Two_Down, stop making arguments for mid lane match ups as if you know them all extremely well, because you don't.
On March 16 2012 09:42 Slayer91 wrote: People always find reasons why unpopular champions aren't played. Biggest example: Poppy, but now people are playing her they realize she's not that bad after all. Remember mordekaiser? Only good in low elo because only baddies die to no cc champ. Xerath? Was always strong and everyone stopped playing him because they went back to what they were used to. Orianna? Got a minor nerf and only salce plays her.
Heroes that never had a long FoTM period need people who really like them to show how good they are, otherwise people stick to what they know. Chauster was saying mundo was strong all the time, he got a decent buff and now he's one of the top junglers? Rammus was forgotten for so long and then taken up and perma banned until everyone forgets about him again.
Remember when someone I think shake was laughing at 1200 elo players perma banning shen and rammus all the time like 6 months ago? Yeah, who's laughing now.
The reason people wait for buffs because - they have perfectly functional champions that they have far from skill capped, so why learn a new champ from scratch unless he gets buffed to a point where he doesn't need really refined play to be strong?
You're acting as if sometimes 'minor' buffs/nerfs don't actually effect how a champion performs in their role. Yes sometimes a buff does simply serve as a 'this champ is better let's play him' marker, but sometimes it really does make the champion better. Sometimes it's not even a direct balance change to that champion, but those it competes with either for a given role, or would compete with in a matchup getting their balance altered, but it's not always just psychological.
There is an awful lot of irrational thought that goes on in here sometimes.
On March 16 2012 08:47 mr_tolkien wrote: Kassadin : mobility, you shouldn't even hit him once
you can't just give reasoning like this as a "hard counter" though kassadin has high mobility at 6... but he's got like 6s between each jump whereas xerath's 3 ult blasts are within 1s of each other. so yeah, he can dodge 1 of your blasts with good timing but not all three. not to mention if he dodges 3 times in a row, you've essentially won because of mana cost differentials. and even if he can not die to you, he definitely can't kill you either. kassadin is not a "hard counter" and most of the examples you gave are totally situational just like the above
On March 16 2012 06:37 beefhamburger wrote: What champs are Dyrus proficient at? Meaning his most comfortable picks. Or is he relatively average at all champs and not excellent at any?
I know this was a few pages back but as a Dyrus fanboy I can say that he'll play anything and everything in any lane as long as it doesn't have skillshots. That's probably the biggest gap in his play, but I think his upside is that he has one of, if not the best understandings of lane mechanics in the game.
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