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On February 20 2012 11:51 Niton wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 11:46 Nehsb wrote:On February 20 2012 11:41 Zdrastochye wrote:
Wow EG just raped WE, like, not even close after the initial laning phase. Surprising considering they won IEM Guanzhou vs a team very much so a step below CLG and TSM. I still think EG has arguably better teamfighting than CLG and TSM. Now if only if they didn't lose every single lane in most of their scrims... Seriously, can someone explain to me why their laning phase is so bad in scrims? Like, when I watch them play solo queue, they win their lane a lot versus the exact same players on the enemy team. But when I watch EG scrim, almost every single game they do stupid shit in lane that they don't do in solo queue. Because you have Salce mid, Nhat bottom, and 3 people who are both not cemented on their role but also who don't reliably practice that role. Dyrus, Westrice and Dan have all been solo, AD and jungler at some point in the last 6 months - Dyrus is most comfortable top, but he also plays the other two roles competently so he gets stuck wherever. Westrice CAN be a very good top, but the champion he became famous for isn't that strong anymore and he has a lot of trouble with making poor decisions. Dan.. is Dan. He's a super-chill, really friendly guy who can pull off some awesome plays at times, but he also comes up with the most random bullshit imaginable (Regrowth -> WotA Amumu against known counterjungling? Red+6 Nocturne ever?). If he sticks to what he's comfortable playing, he does really well and EG tends to play much better - but he doesn't and EG really suffers for it sometimes.
I agree, Dan,Westrice, and Dyrus are all jack of all trades, masters of none.
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On February 20 2012 11:56 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 11:51 Niton wrote:On February 20 2012 11:46 Nehsb wrote:On February 20 2012 11:41 Zdrastochye wrote:
Wow EG just raped WE, like, not even close after the initial laning phase. Surprising considering they won IEM Guanzhou vs a team very much so a step below CLG and TSM. I still think EG has arguably better teamfighting than CLG and TSM. Now if only if they didn't lose every single lane in most of their scrims... Seriously, can someone explain to me why their laning phase is so bad in scrims? Like, when I watch them play solo queue, they win their lane a lot versus the exact same players on the enemy team. But when I watch EG scrim, almost every single game they do stupid shit in lane that they don't do in solo queue. Because you have Salce mid, Nhat bottom, and 3 people who are both not cemented on their role but also who don't reliably practice that role. Dyrus, Westrice and Dan have all been solo, AD and jungler at some point in the last 6 months - Dyrus is most comfortable top, but he also plays the other two roles competently so he gets stuck wherever. Westrice CAN be a very good top, but the champion he became famous for isn't that strong anymore and he has a lot of trouble with making poor decisions. Dan.. is Dan. He's a super-chill, really friendly guy who can pull off some awesome plays at times, but he also comes up with the most random bullshit imaginable (Regrowth -> WotA Amumu against known counterjungling? Red+6 Nocturne ever?). If he sticks to what he's comfortable playing, he does really well and EG tends to play much better - but he doesn't and EG really suffers for it sometimes. I agree, Dan,Westrice, and Dyrus are all jack of all trades, masters of none.
I think Dyrus is a master-class top laner, and CDE's performance shows that he definitely has that level of potential. After Salce (a serious contender for world's best AP Mid), Dyrus is probably the best player on EG - he's just not consistently playing his best role because of other team bullshit.
Not that EG practiced that often until recently :V
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On February 20 2012 12:00 Niton wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 11:56 wei2coolman wrote:On February 20 2012 11:51 Niton wrote:On February 20 2012 11:46 Nehsb wrote:On February 20 2012 11:41 Zdrastochye wrote:
Wow EG just raped WE, like, not even close after the initial laning phase. Surprising considering they won IEM Guanzhou vs a team very much so a step below CLG and TSM. I still think EG has arguably better teamfighting than CLG and TSM. Now if only if they didn't lose every single lane in most of their scrims... Seriously, can someone explain to me why their laning phase is so bad in scrims? Like, when I watch them play solo queue, they win their lane a lot versus the exact same players on the enemy team. But when I watch EG scrim, almost every single game they do stupid shit in lane that they don't do in solo queue. Because you have Salce mid, Nhat bottom, and 3 people who are both not cemented on their role but also who don't reliably practice that role. Dyrus, Westrice and Dan have all been solo, AD and jungler at some point in the last 6 months - Dyrus is most comfortable top, but he also plays the other two roles competently so he gets stuck wherever. Westrice CAN be a very good top, but the champion he became famous for isn't that strong anymore and he has a lot of trouble with making poor decisions. Dan.. is Dan. He's a super-chill, really friendly guy who can pull off some awesome plays at times, but he also comes up with the most random bullshit imaginable (Regrowth -> WotA Amumu against known counterjungling? Red+6 Nocturne ever?). If he sticks to what he's comfortable playing, he does really well and EG tends to play much better - but he doesn't and EG really suffers for it sometimes. I agree, Dan,Westrice, and Dyrus are all jack of all trades, masters of none. I think Dyrus is a master-class top laner, and CDE's performance shows that he definitely has that level of potential. After Salce (a serious contender for world's best AP Mid), Dyrus is probably the best player on EG - he's just not consistently playing his best role because of other team bullshit. Not that EG practiced that often until recently :V
Too bad dyrus never seems that way when he plays on stream. 90% of the time i see him play on stream, "ughhhh this guy sucks, nothing i can do", and he doesn't do that amazing.
Maybe i'm just too use to watching SV carrying his team. lol.
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Lack of practice is what hurts EG the most, time and time again. Not just practicing as a team but also specific roles. They switch positions a little too often.
That said, they have solid, solid players. Salce is probably the best AP on NA (and this is coming from a big jiji fanboy) and Dyrus is on par with HSGG, Nhat is probably the best support now that PGB retired.
But they aren't getting the training like other teams get by practicing and drilling as 5 over and over. That's the only thing holding EG back.
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CLG v 4Not scrim starting
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wow that one guy is 2425 and ive never heard of him
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never heard of 4not, they any good? (still fairly new to lol esports scene)
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On February 20 2012 12:11 wei2coolman wrote:
never heard of 4not, they any good? (still fairly new to lol esports scene)
They're former LC (LeagueCraft). They're like a B tier team on NA.
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"YO SAINT, PLAY THIS IN JANGLES CUZ ITS GOOD"-SV
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United States37500 Posts
Time to see MalletWW outside of solo q. :o
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Oh man, they giving doublelift so much fucking shit. too funny.
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I don't like mallet. Feel so weak with it D:
As for supports, you ever feel like if your team has a support by late game you're actually at a disadvantage compared to if you didn't?
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Somehow... Double proves the rest of CLG right.
Needed dat Ignite, ahahaha....
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On February 20 2012 12:19 NeoIllusions wrote:
Somehow... Double proves the rest of CLG right.
Needed dat Ignite, ahahaha....
Yeah, I'm laughing my fucking ass off so fuckinghard.
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On February 20 2012 12:19 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
As for supports, you ever feel like if your team has a support by late game you're actually at a disadvantage compared to if you didn't?
If you actually managed to get a 5th carry enough farm for them to get to a reasonable set of items, there is the possibility that they would be more effective than a support could be.
Except in practice, it should never be the case that you can actually manage to get 5 people that fed unless the game is such a stomp that it didn't matter anyway.
This actually extends to comparing teamcomps with less carries as well. By nature having less carries (e.g. 4-protects-1 comps) is "safer" in that you only need to ensure one person's development to get to effective fighting strength. The tradeoff is that if 2 or 3-carry comps get off the ground, they have the improved flexibility of having damage coming from 2 or 3 relevant points (their effectiveness also doesn't cap out as quickly--a 4-protects-1's growth slows down once the carry has reached 6 items).
Looking at competitive games, 2- and 3-carry comps seem to be most stable for competitive LoL. 4-carry comps are too unreliable (can snowball a game if you get a really good lead, but in a close game, has trouble because one of the carries is very likely to end up under-farmed--see the TSM vs CLG games from the Curse Tournament), and 4-protects-1 comps are hard to manage outside of a few scenarios since 1) the lack of TP scrolls makes it hard for a single carry to farm across the map, and 2) a single carry can cap out on 6 items well before the game is actually decided if he's being allocated the overwhelming majority of the farm. That said, the strength of certain champions has made 4-protects-1 teams reasonable at certain points in the past anyway.
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United States37500 Posts
No Mallet this game. real saint troll
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EG smashes WE yet again, either the lag really is that bad or they're just the better team.
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Fmallet Ww so good, that SV chooses not to use it.
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United States37500 Posts
3 ultis for one Kennen. Die yordle die.
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After CLG bot lane both dies:
"I was just tunnel vision'ing CS" -DoubleLift
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