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Same rules apply, per usual. Please use the appropriate threads (QQ, Brag, Champion, etc) whenever appropriate. Keep the resident Banling content.

Thanks. Happy Gaming.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
February 20 2012 03:29 GMT
#1661
On February 20 2012 12:29 NeoIllusions wrote:
After CLG bot lane both dies:

"I was just tunnel vision'ing CS" -DoubleLift

I thought he was tunnel visioning cleanse. LOL :D
liftlift > tsm
Blondinbengt
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden578 Posts
February 20 2012 03:34 GMT
#1662
This game is too fucking hilarious.
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-20 03:50:47
February 20 2012 03:40 GMT
#1663
On February 20 2012 12:26 wei2coolman wrote:
Fmallet Ww so good, that SV chooses not to use it.

Well he is this game. Doesn't seem that good. It helped slow enemies yeah but never seemed to be responsible for securing any kills. Also takes red from DL when he has FM, "I'm practicing my smite... I need to practice my smite *laugh*" -SV

CLG vs Doublelift. This episode "Why taking Cleanse is dumb on AD carries"
anmolsinghmzn2009
Profile Joined June 2011
India1783 Posts
February 20 2012 03:43 GMT
#1664
Health isnt 'bad' on warwick just because of how much healing it does, its just a low priority stat. just when your making decisions about what items to get you need to prioritize getting a high amount of resists first. But if the game goes supah-long I don't see anything wrong in getting something that gives you health to cap out your tankiness when you already have your frozen heart and FoN and damage items like wits+TF/MBR and the other team's carries are getting their void staff/last whisper. An HP item in that scenario is still going to contribute nicely to your tankiness, its just that you want all the resists first. People still get health on irelia right?

Even then though, if I wanna throw away 3k gold for some HP as my sixth item on ww, I still wouldn't like to get mallet
Dunk first. Ask questions while dunking.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
February 20 2012 03:45 GMT
#1665
I kinda feel bad for 4not, CLG was just screwing around all game long. Haha.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-20 03:52:31
February 20 2012 03:49 GMT
#1666
On February 20 2012 12:43 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
Health isnt 'bad' on warwick just because of how much healing it does, its just a low priority stat. just when your making decisions about what items to get you need to prioritize getting a high amount of resists first. But if the game goes supah-long I don't see anything wrong in getting something that gives you health to cap out your tankiness when you already have your frozen heart and FoN and damage items like wits+TF/MBR and the other team's carries are getting their void staff/last whisper. An HP item in that scenario is still going to contribute nicely to your tankiness, its just that you want all the resists first. People still get health on irelia right?

Even then though, if I wanna throw away 3k gold for some HP as my sixth item on ww, I still wouldn't like to get mallet

Actually, because of Warwick's high healing rate, resists don't follow the normal rule of scaling additively with themselves, multiplicatively with HP.

With healers that have extremely high sustained healing/mitigation, resists scale asymptotically toward infinite EHP the more you have. Resists actually become BETTER the more you have on healers with high sustained healing.

The only time I'd feel the need for a Giant's Belt item on Warwick is vs a team that has like 3+ ignites or other significant -healing effects.
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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
February 20 2012 03:59 GMT
#1667
this bitching hotshots doing makes no sense to me

like im lost
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
anmolsinghmzn2009
Profile Joined June 2011
India1783 Posts
February 20 2012 04:02 GMT
#1668
On February 20 2012 12:49 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2012 12:43 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
Health isnt 'bad' on warwick just because of how much healing it does, its just a low priority stat. just when your making decisions about what items to get you need to prioritize getting a high amount of resists first. But if the game goes supah-long I don't see anything wrong in getting something that gives you health to cap out your tankiness when you already have your frozen heart and FoN and damage items like wits+TF/MBR and the other team's carries are getting their void staff/last whisper. An HP item in that scenario is still going to contribute nicely to your tankiness, its just that you want all the resists first. People still get health on irelia right?

Even then though, if I wanna throw away 3k gold for some HP as my sixth item on ww, I still wouldn't like to get mallet

Actually, because of Warwick's high healing rate, resists don't follow the normal rule of scaling additively with themselves, multiplicatively with HP.

With healers that have extremely high sustained healing/mitigation, resists scale asymptotically toward infinite EHP the more you have. Resists actually become BETTER the more you have on healers with high sustained healing.

The only time I'd feel the need for a Giant's Belt item on Warwick is vs a team that has like 3+ ignites.

But surely health is good for a last item when the other team's carries have their void staff/LW?
I mean at that point,
Magic resist - 52(base at lvl18)+30(base on wit's)+25(merc's)+76(FoN)=173 not counting stacks on wit's or your runes.
Similarly armor -79(base at lvl18)+99(FH)+25(MBR)= 203 plus your runes

Also you can't always ensure you're hitting something during teamfights - say you're taking poke damage, taking damage trying zoning their carry off from the fight or being cited by their AD etc.
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zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
February 20 2012 04:04 GMT
#1669
On February 20 2012 12:49 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2012 12:43 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
Health isnt 'bad' on warwick just because of how much healing it does, its just a low priority stat. just when your making decisions about what items to get you need to prioritize getting a high amount of resists first. But if the game goes supah-long I don't see anything wrong in getting something that gives you health to cap out your tankiness when you already have your frozen heart and FoN and damage items like wits+TF/MBR and the other team's carries are getting their void staff/last whisper. An HP item in that scenario is still going to contribute nicely to your tankiness, its just that you want all the resists first. People still get health on irelia right?

Even then though, if I wanna throw away 3k gold for some HP as my sixth item on ww, I still wouldn't like to get mallet

Actually, because of Warwick's high healing rate, resists don't follow the normal rule of scaling additively with themselves, multiplicatively with HP.

With healers that have extremely high sustained healing/mitigation, resists scale asymptotically toward infinite EHP the more you have. Resists actually become BETTER the more you have on healers with high sustained healing.

The only time I'd feel the need for a Giant's Belt item on Warwick is vs a team that has like 3+ ignites or other significant -healing effects.


I have got to be retarded for not realizing this before this post consider how much math I've studied, thanks for the eye opener!
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
February 20 2012 04:04 GMT
#1670
Just tried FrozMal WW, feels too team dependent of an item. I went4-1-1, but one thing I noticed was you need a really responsive mid to follow you into jungle and shit for frozmallet to be worth it.
liftlift > tsm
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
February 20 2012 04:12 GMT
#1671
Who's CLG playing against now? This is hilarious.
you gotta dance
Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-20 04:28:57
February 20 2012 04:16 GMT
#1672
Watching phreak win 3 games in a row cheered me up. <3 LoL!

Yeah and I gotta agree now. Supports do win games more often than not, but if the game gets too long... another bruiser or another tank or another carry would be more useful.

HBday zodde
anmolsinghmzn2009
Profile Joined June 2011
India1783 Posts
February 20 2012 04:17 GMT
#1673
On February 20 2012 13:04 wei2coolman wrote:
Just tried FrozMal WW, feels too team dependent of an item. I went4-1-1, but one thing I noticed was you need a really responsive mid to follow you into jungle and shit for frozmallet to be worth it.

what were you items at the point when you finished mallet?
Dunk first. Ask questions while dunking.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-20 04:24:39
February 20 2012 04:24 GMT
#1674
On February 20 2012 13:17 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2012 13:04 wei2coolman wrote:
Just tried FrozMal WW, feels too team dependent of an item. I went4-1-1, but one thing I noticed was you need a really responsive mid to follow you into jungle and shit for frozmallet to be worth it.

what were you items at the point when you finished mallet?

Just merc treads, Fmallet, null magic mantel, with enough gold for enough recurve.
It was quick 22min game, but I'd definitely say that the slow was noticeable with just phage first.
liftlift > tsm
anmolsinghmzn2009
Profile Joined June 2011
India1783 Posts
February 20 2012 04:26 GMT
#1675
On February 20 2012 13:24 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2012 13:17 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
On February 20 2012 13:04 wei2coolman wrote:
Just tried FrozMal WW, feels too team dependent of an item. I went4-1-1, but one thing I noticed was you need a really responsive mid to follow you into jungle and shit for frozmallet to be worth it.

what were you items at the point when you finished mallet?

Just merc treads, Fmallet, null magic mantel, with enough gold for enough recurve.
It was quick 22min game, but I'd definitely say that the slow was noticeable with just phage first.

Ugh, yeah mallet first would definitely feel sucky . . .
Dunk first. Ask questions while dunking.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-20 04:33:15
February 20 2012 04:32 GMT
#1676
EG losing scrim vs 4Not...Dyrus loses lane as Vlad v WW without runes.
It would be nice if all of the tier2/3 teams (ie 4Not, Goose, RFLX, Choppa, etc) actually manage to compete at an international level; would improve the scene so much.

Edit: Scrimming again.
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Bwaaaa
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia969 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-20 04:35:04
February 20 2012 04:34 GMT
#1677
With the recent ww change ww does not have as much healing as before so a little hp is ok but I don't think a Gbelt item is worth it compared to just a phage and Bveil.
anmolsinghmzn2009
Profile Joined June 2011
India1783 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-20 04:49:57
February 20 2012 04:47 GMT
#1678
On February 20 2012 13:34 Bwaaaa wrote:
With the recent ww change ww does not have as much healing as before so a little hp is ok but I don't think a Gbelt item is worth it compared to just a phage and Bveil.

I don't like veil on ww though :/
FoN gives more MR and it gives movespeed, I'd rather buy a belt than get a veil instead of FoN.

Btw lets just follow up any discussion on this topic in the ww thread. Neo scary yo.
Dunk first. Ask questions while dunking.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
February 20 2012 04:51 GMT
#1679
Yes, go there.

However, it IS perfectly acceptable to have a "why do all the negatron items suck balls on bruisers" discussion here.

Cuz they do. Unless you have 4k health.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
anmolsinghmzn2009
Profile Joined June 2011
India1783 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-20 05:11:56
February 20 2012 05:06 GMT
#1680
On February 20 2012 13:51 Two_DoWn wrote:
Yes, go there.

However, it IS perfectly acceptable to have a "why do all the negatron items suck balls on bruisers" discussion here.

Cuz they do. Unless you have 4k health.

Yea never upgrade the negatron until the end. Waste of gold.

Edit: LOL saint - I'm gonna keep charging in like a retard till we teach you to be aggressive jiji
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