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daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-06 20:53:55
January 06 2012 20:52 GMT
#1861
Nice Galio ult getting 3 TSM, massive zerging follows but TSM picks 2 kills under turret, a little standoff and Kog gets triple kill, Galio vs sona mao left after all the aoes fade.

Galio is like relax guys I got dis and takes out turret while oomed maokai and sona try to autoattack him down, not gonna happen.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-06 20:55:51
January 06 2012 20:53 GMT
#1862
Skarner is in the "he does too much too well" class atm.

Too much damage for not having to buy items for having a great cc ult, permaslow, and speed boost.

Just tone down his damage numbers a bit and he will be fine.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
January 06 2012 20:56 GMT
#1863
That was bad spot to get engaged by TSM, rainman was at blue, regi in the mid brush got caught and nearly insta died after ulting 4 people. M5 takes the game with strong team fighting.
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
January 06 2012 20:56 GMT
#1864
Chaox should have gotten a QSS for that last fight.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
January 06 2012 20:57 GMT
#1865
I guess I kind of overestimated chaox, he really wasn't able to accomplish anything >_> And TSM got clearly outplayed in my opinion, M5 played super nicely, Galio wins MVP imo.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
January 06 2012 20:58 GMT
#1866
Just got into LoL, this is pretty interesting to watch.
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
January 06 2012 20:59 GMT
#1867
Galio defo MVP, did several spot on ults. M5 had better idea on their team fighting and it won them the game fight after fight. Laning phase was pretty even.

I feel maybe regi was going too far in that bruisering though, he had mogs, qss and frozen heart, only damage from wota and sorc boots. Getting caught alone in that last fight was the final hit though.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
January 06 2012 20:59 GMT
#1868
On January 07 2012 05:50 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2012 05:39 Requizen wrote:
On January 07 2012 05:27 Shikyo wrote:
By the way this is totally unrelated to the TSM vs M5 discussion right now, but I think that Skarner is a totally bs champion. He takes absolutely no skill to play and even a moron is able to flash-ult into a free kill every time his ulti is up, apart from that you just mash all his skills in fights as even with 0 mana regen his skills cost no mana.

I'm almost certain that he's going to be nerfed next patch, and I'm going to be extremely happy about that as the champion is just way too easy to do well with.

There's no need for a nerf. Aside from his ult and slow, he doesn't have anything too overbearingly strong. And even the slow isn't that bad. His damage isn't absurdly high, his tankiness isn't above any other bruiser, and he doesn't poke hard. He's very, very balanced with one very high strength, that is clearing speed and ult ganks.

It's not so much the strenght it's that he can be played by a brainless moron and still carry his team, there's rebalancing that's required, nerfing not so much.



how does gp or any other champ with no real skill shot differ much though? ult in the general direction of their team, hit every button.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 06 2012 20:59 GMT
#1869
On January 07 2012 05:57 Shikyo wrote:
I guess I kind of overestimated chaox, he really wasn't able to accomplish anything >_> And TSM got clearly outplayed in my opinion, M5 played super nicely, Galio wins MVP imo.


Was just one game. Nothing to overestimate Chaox on. He's still one solid AD.

That said, M5 played like champs with a nonorthodox (for NA) team comp. Nice to see them playing well as a team. EU hwaiting?
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daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
January 06 2012 21:02 GMT
#1870
Kog nunu is strong lane, hard to trade with, maybe soon see it more often in US as well?

TSM just didn't have their team fight priorities straight that match while M5 got off perfect Galio ults. Catching single TSM members out was a big factor too, oddone and regi getting caught in fights near baron.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
January 06 2012 21:02 GMT
#1871
On January 07 2012 05:39 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2012 05:27 Shikyo wrote:
By the way this is totally unrelated to the TSM vs M5 discussion right now, but I think that Skarner is a totally bs champion. He takes absolutely no skill to play and even a moron is able to flash-ult into a free kill every time his ulti is up, apart from that you just mash all his skills in fights as even with 0 mana regen his skills cost no mana.

I'm almost certain that he's going to be nerfed next patch, and I'm going to be extremely happy about that as the champion is just way too easy to do well with.

There's no need for a nerf. Aside from his ult and slow, he doesn't have anything too overbearingly strong. And even the slow isn't that bad. His damage isn't absurdly high, his tankiness isn't above any other bruiser, and he doesn't poke hard. He's very, very balanced with one very high strength, that is clearing speed and ult ganks.

skarnar is hands down the strongest character in the game right now IMO.

and seriously man, his slow is that bad, it's a perma slow off of no CDR and no AS. Once you get Glacial Shroud, it's a perma slow through merc treads. For 15 mana per cast. It's also AoE. It's also 45% slow (bigger slow than say, ashe's frost shot). he also basically gets his 260 damage shield every 6 seconds once he gets his CDR, which also keeps his MS/AS steroid permanently up.
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obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
January 06 2012 21:04 GMT
#1872
I just tried kiting with jungle twitch like someone suggested. I don't think it works tbh. You always get hit.

I think twitch can be jungled. You either have to open shittons of armor runes on him,
or you have to counterjungle from level 1
or you have to lane until you get a madreds
eh.
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daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-06 21:05:44
January 06 2012 21:04 GMT
#1873
I do hope they scrim more than 1 or 2 matches today though, these teams really need to prac as 5 a lot instead of the solo q bullshit.

TSM about to play vs SK now
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-06 21:07:37
January 06 2012 21:07 GMT
#1874
who are these m5 guys that just creamed TSM?

And are these just scrims?
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Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
January 06 2012 21:11 GMT
#1875
On January 07 2012 06:07 Senx wrote:
who are these m5 guys that just creamed TSM?

And are these just scrims?

Team Empire. Dont know if they have renamed themselves.
and yeah just scrims.

Result and team comp was nothing surprising though. Typical empire.
Off-season = best season
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 06 2012 21:11 GMT
#1876
On January 07 2012 06:07 Senx wrote:
who are these m5 guys that just creamed TSM?

And are these just scrims?


Questions about M5 have been answered already.

Yes, these are just scrims on the tournament realm.
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BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
January 06 2012 21:11 GMT
#1877
3 support champs and 2 ads for SK, really weird comp. Janna, Nunu, Taric, vayne and graves.
BobMcJohnson
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
France2916 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-06 21:12:31
January 06 2012 21:11 GMT
#1878
On January 07 2012 06:11 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2012 06:07 Senx wrote:
who are these m5 guys that just creamed TSM?

And are these just scrims?

Team Empire. Dont know if they have renamed themselves.
and yeah just scrims.

Result and team comp was nothing surprising though. Typical empire.


Is it the same Empire as in SC2 where Kas and Beastyqt are?

also, wtf is going on with the comp from SK o_o
Romanes eunt domus
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
January 06 2012 21:14 GMT
#1879
On January 07 2012 06:02 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2012 05:39 Requizen wrote:
On January 07 2012 05:27 Shikyo wrote:
By the way this is totally unrelated to the TSM vs M5 discussion right now, but I think that Skarner is a totally bs champion. He takes absolutely no skill to play and even a moron is able to flash-ult into a free kill every time his ulti is up, apart from that you just mash all his skills in fights as even with 0 mana regen his skills cost no mana.

I'm almost certain that he's going to be nerfed next patch, and I'm going to be extremely happy about that as the champion is just way too easy to do well with.

There's no need for a nerf. Aside from his ult and slow, he doesn't have anything too overbearingly strong. And even the slow isn't that bad. His damage isn't absurdly high, his tankiness isn't above any other bruiser, and he doesn't poke hard. He's very, very balanced with one very high strength, that is clearing speed and ult ganks.

skarnar is hands down the strongest character in the game right now IMO.

and seriously man, his slow is that bad, it's a perma slow off of no CDR and no AS. Once you get Glacial Shroud, it's a perma slow through merc treads. For 15 mana per cast. It's also AoE. It's also 45% slow (bigger slow than say, ashe's frost shot). he also basically gets his 260 damage shield every 6 seconds once he gets his CDR, which also keeps his MS/AS steroid permanently up.

Eh, I guess as a Skarner player I don't want him to be that OP :3

Here's my thoughts:

In a vacuum, his slow is OP. In reality, you need to stay in melee range and auto constantly to keep it up. That's hard when there's other players, blinks, terrain, CC, and slows.

His shield is amazing for speed and AS, but unless you're building AP, it gets knocked out in a few hits easily. The most AP I even get is from TF and Rageblade, but I don't even get GRB that often.

If you get a perfect charge in-power up Q before-Q to slow combo, it's hard to shake him, but not impossible. And since his gap closer isn't instant outside of Flash, keeping him from getting on top of you isn't terribly hard.
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BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
January 06 2012 21:14 GMT
#1880
Taric and Nunu could jungle... Maybe Graves too.
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