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Matsumoto
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Germany493 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-03 14:53:09
January 03 2012 14:53 GMT
#1021
why all that hate towards Victor? i played him all the time in last 2 days in ranked and dominated.
i like his late game a lot, but well he is only really effective with a good positioning in teamfights
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Tyrran
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
France777 Posts
January 03 2012 14:54 GMT
#1022
I dont think he is that bad. his kit is pretty good imho :

* Q is a Decent harass that gives u 40% of damage dealt in shield.
* W makes him almost ungankable, but the range feels really short so its hard to be aggressive with it.
* Z does decent damage in a line. Its kinda hard to place correctly tho
* R is a controlable AOE+DOT that also silences.

The number maybe are a bit low, but do not forget his augments.

The Q augment is kinda useless, 220 hp and ms buff is great but fade off rather quickly going to the endgame. If you need survavibility, take the W augment ( 10%CDR and 30% range increase on W). You lack damage, take his Z augment, you'll end up with an item that costed 1200 gold and gives you 100AP + 30% increase damage on Z. now build a Rabadon and you Z does more damage than Lux ult.

Now if we look in practice, his laning phase is quite weak. he has a poke, but no good burst trade possibility. If brand/annie/sion decide to comboing you, you cant really trade back because the real power of your ult comes from his Dot. Also he has no farm ability like karth/morg. I think they should increase a bit his range to maybe 550 or 575 so he can farm safely and he'd be fine. Oh yeah, increase his ult base damage ratio too. 0.55 is just too low. Tibbers has 0.7....
Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain.
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-03 15:08:05
January 03 2012 15:01 GMT
#1023
On January 03 2012 21:43 Gahlo wrote:
Started jungle yesterday. My friend was soloing top against Nasus as Cho but his Q got farmed to all hell and carried the shit out of the game. I never had a great opportunity to gank so when I did it was largely to try and disrupt him a little bit. It wasn't enough. How does one go about shutting down Nasus' farm, if unable kill him?

Realize you can't shut him down if he is any decent and focus your energy on gankable lanes. It took me lots of games trying to shut someone down who just isn't stoppable from the jungle if he is any decent (Nidalee comes to mind, Renekton is barely gankable too.) before I realized I'm better of not wasting my time there and actually accomplish anything. A farmed Nasus is scary, but if you have a huge impact on bot and mid lane and maybe even screw their jungler while doing this, he won't stop your team all by himself.

On January 03 2012 22:56 Mondieu wrote:
This Viktor champion so useless and bad. Everyone that tries to pick him is making his own team lose in such a bad manner that it's not even funny.


If people stopped prematurely hating on champions who have been out less than a week ago, maybe they'd be open minded enough to get to know their actual strengths and weaknesses. I have shat on every Viktor I have faced so far as Brand, but that does not necessarily make him a bad champion but rather shows that I am a lot more experienced on Brand than Viktor could be at this point. Take your time before you judge a champ. And while we're at it, maybe realize it's a relatively rare occasion one person single handedly loses a game for a whole team without them being able to do anything about it.
currently rooting for myself.
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
January 03 2012 15:12 GMT
#1024
On January 03 2012 20:28 deskscaress wrote:
so was viktor actually released yet? i have played a dozen games since his release date, i see people talking about him, and yet i haven't seen him picked or banned in a single game nor on stream

also i heard there was a champ called "volibear" in this game that was supposed to be OP upon release, yet i have never seen him in a game either

also has anyone heard of a champion called fizz?

Viktor is bad because he deals nothing. His W should be good but too situationnal to really makes him a good hero. You don't really need a ap that is impossible to kill.

On the other side, Volibear is a good jungler (not OP) but Fizz is OMFG so fucking good. I've seen a lot of good Fizz. His jump is so fucking op, you just can't touch him AND he deals a shit ton of damage, plus he have a good HP pool without any stuff. Wait for Fizz domination.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
anmolsinghmzn2009
Profile Joined June 2011
India1783 Posts
January 03 2012 15:23 GMT
#1025
considering all the talk about how OP victor's AOE stun is gonna be it, it makes sense it has a comparative low range. Either you upgrade 'death' and do high damage but can only use that stun situationally, OR u get gravity and now you have more utility in teamfights but not as much damage.
Dunk first. Ask questions while dunking.
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-03 15:25:59
January 03 2012 15:25 GMT
#1026
*listening to people argue about the viability of a champ only a week old is entertaining*

Takes champs usually 1 month to be figured out, sometimes even longer. Took cass forever (aka many months) to really be discovered, mainly because she has a higher skillcaps than a lot of champs (can't just point and click and receive kill)
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Omer
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Israel442 Posts
January 03 2012 16:19 GMT
#1027
xerath's pretty good champion, is every just building 2-3 dorans + deathcap / crystal scepter on him or is there better items for him?
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
January 03 2012 17:27 GMT
#1028
People seem to do a lot of different builds with Xerath. Dan Dihn (first pro player to take notice of him) likes DFG/sorc then Wota/ryl/cap in some order. Most other people seem to just like drings deathcap, standard AP stuff.

Me personally I really like the DFG start since it basically lets you 100-0 burst people in lane or on a gank. His ultimate's damage is really the most broken thing about him in my eyes and DFG also helps it be up for as many engagements as possible. After that I usually build deathcap because I like glass cannoning.

It's all pretty situational though, just build whatever you want, xerath is pretty OP and so will most likely do well no matter what you do.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
rackdude
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States882 Posts
January 03 2012 17:36 GMT
#1029
The problem with Viktor is his Q. It doesn't apply the shield instantly. Thus it's completely worthless in lane because if you trade Qs, someone like Ryze will just do more damage than you and you'll have a shield AFTER the trading. Make his shield instant and his lane will be fixed. Until then, you have to stun or lazer in lane if you want to come ahead in any trade and that's just a way to lose mana lol.

I think he'll be great once his Q is useful.
Sweet.
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-03 17:37:56
January 03 2012 17:36 GMT
#1030
On January 04 2012 01:19 Omer wrote:
xerath's pretty good champion, is every just building 2-3 dorans + deathcap / crystal scepter on him or is there better items for him?

Deathcap is just too good on him. He is a long range nuker, the only thing you need to have on him is damage. And if possible utility, which is why DC/Rylai is very powerful on him.

The thing that I find weird on him are summoner spells. When I combo, I'm most of the times way too far for an ignite, so I really consider not taking it anymore...
The legend of Darien lives on
Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
January 03 2012 17:37 GMT
#1031
Xerath is sooooo reliant on his ult imo. When it's up, he's terrifying. He can healthbar you with a full combo. Getting ganked while his ult is ready is like guaranteed death.

When his ult is down, he's really underwhelming.
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barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
January 03 2012 17:39 GMT
#1032
On January 04 2012 02:37 Haemonculus wrote:
Xerath is sooooo reliant on his ult imo. When it's up, he's terrifying. He can healthbar you with a full combo. Getting ganked while his ult is ready is like guaranteed death.

When his ult is down, he's really underwhelming.


most AP mid champions tend to be like that
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-03 17:41:43
January 03 2012 17:41 GMT
#1033
On January 04 2012 02:39 barbsq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2012 02:37 Haemonculus wrote:
Xerath is sooooo reliant on his ult imo. When it's up, he's terrifying. He can healthbar you with a full combo. Getting ganked while his ult is ready is like guaranteed death.

When his ult is down, he's really underwhelming.


most AP mid champions tend to be like that

And when they aren't, they're usually broken (Sion, Cassio and Swain come to mind...).
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
January 03 2012 17:42 GMT
#1034
On January 04 2012 02:39 barbsq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2012 02:37 Haemonculus wrote:
Xerath is sooooo reliant on his ult imo. When it's up, he's terrifying. He can healthbar you with a full combo. Getting ganked while his ult is ready is like guaranteed death.

When his ult is down, he's really underwhelming.


most AP mid champions tend to be like that


I'm gonna have to disagree. Most AP mids are still formidable without their ult. I agree with Rhav that unless Xerath's ult is up, I'm really not afraid of him.
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
January 03 2012 17:45 GMT
#1035
Well, I think the proper way to play Xerath is to just spam ult whenever it is up and you have blue. Its cd is stupidly short, and its range is stupidly good. In lane, even if you dont get a kill you are pretty much guaranteed to force the opponent to go back and you can push the wave with a q and cost them a wave of exp and gold.

Late game you just use it as soon as your team is set up to start poking and you can hit more than 1. You end up chunking them so your team has free reign to either poke them further or force them to blow all their mana on heals until its up again and you can do a full engage.

I guess what im trying to say is that it its more than he is reliant on having his ult- he is reliant on USING his ult cuz holding onto it is really crippling IMO.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
January 03 2012 17:47 GMT
#1036
On January 04 2012 02:42 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2012 02:39 barbsq wrote:
On January 04 2012 02:37 Haemonculus wrote:
Xerath is sooooo reliant on his ult imo. When it's up, he's terrifying. He can healthbar you with a full combo. Getting ganked while his ult is ready is like guaranteed death.

When his ult is down, he's really underwhelming.


most AP mid champions tend to be like that


I'm gonna have to disagree. Most AP mids are still formidable without their ult. I agree with Rhav that unless Xerath's ult is up, I'm really not afraid of him.


then i would have to point out annie, kennen, veigar, morgana (to a slightly lesser extent), brand, fiddlestix, fizz, galio, katarina, malzahar, AP tf, and zilean suffer from similar problems.
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
January 03 2012 18:02 GMT
#1037
Where did this chunking thing come from exactly? I've heard quite a few people say it now and it doesn't make any sense.
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
January 03 2012 18:05 GMT
#1038
Yeah Xerath is kind of strange like that, every time ult is up it's a guaranteed kill, but when it's down you don't even need to be afraid of him otherwise as he has amazing farming and pushing and is pretty safe with EQ anyway.

Really think he's crazybroken.
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JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
January 03 2012 18:06 GMT
#1039
On January 04 2012 03:02 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Where did this chunking thing come from exactly? I've heard quite a few people say it now and it doesn't make any sense.

chunk
1    [chuhngk] Show IPA
noun
1.a thick mass or lump of anything: a chunk of bread; a chunk of firewood.
2.Informal . a thick-set and strong person.
3.a strong and stoutly built horse or other animal.
4.a substantial amount of something: Rent is a real chunk out of my pay.

You take a big chunk of their hp, makes perfect sense.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
January 03 2012 18:14 GMT
#1040
man, this game is so much worse than it was before they fucked with masteries and the jungle...

I came to the realization last night that I have a lot less fun now than I did 2 months ago with this game, in every single role too, except maybe ranged carry, but that's just because I discovered trist.
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