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On January 03 2012 19:30 deskscaress wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2012 19:15 Kaniol wrote:On January 03 2012 18:53 deskscaress wrote:On January 03 2012 18:13 JackDino wrote:
Mundo is so underrated here, I bet none of you ever been up against a mundo top who pressed E and just autod you at lvl1.
He has 100 AD at lvl1 without runes or masteries, he can do very well top against a lot of champs. i guess the main thing is, (and this is coming from someone who loathes GP) why play mundo when you can play GP? (...) That's finally a valid point. Of course the answer is simple: because you may enjoy Mundo more than GP. I can agree that there are better champ picks than mundo but i don't get why people call him unviable, but maybe we just have different definitions of "viable" i don't think mundo is unviable or even a troll pick, he's just not as good as pretty much most other champs, both in lane and in actual utility and if the goal of ranked games is first to win, second to have fun winning, it just makes more sense to play traditionally "better" champs to achieve the first goal, unless you're gosu mundopro and can achieve the first even "gimping" yourself make his W slow and he would probably be a pretty competitive pick
Noone said anything about ranked, the talk was about mundo being unviable (actually it started with calling him a "troll pick" which is very unfair, just because something isn't elementz tier list 1 doesn't mean it is a troll champion)
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On January 03 2012 15:54 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
Is it ever a good idea to build bloodrazor on an AD carry? I was playing trist in a ranked game and got really fed and dominated bot. I had IE by 16 min but the other team's Irelia was also fed and went after me in every team fight. I had IE + PD but no tank so I spent an entire team fight running from her and the enemy nocturne while my team got destroyed by the enemy Vayne. Would bloodrazor be more useful than a PD in this situation where bruisers with atmog, triforce or FM tunnel vision you?
Just tell your team to wait for mid/late game so you get a PD/IE/Last whisper so you can actually do something in team fights
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On January 03 2012 19:15 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2012 18:51 UniversalSnip wrote:
No scaling whatsoever, E is not a particularly good steroid 100 Free AD is incredible(even more if you're low on hp), sure irelia gets 75 true damage but it can't crit and isn't permanently up, with some CDR mundo E is always up. It's not about Mundo vs Irelia though, it's about Mundo not being a troll pick.
It's straight up mediocre, nothing else he has scales on it and the items that synergize with it make you squishy. You hit about once every two seconds, your max level E is doing 500 damage over 10 seconds with continuous right clicking?! Why? All the other bruisers have utility attached to their skills, his E does nothing but make you right click harder and the longer the game goes on the less effect it has. A steroid that doesn't get better as you buy items is going to be either completely bad or completely broken.
If he had a source of free raw hp like cho or something it would make more sense because you could go wit's end, that kind of thing, and it'd be like an on-hit benefit, and you wouldn't be giving something up to build around your steroid. Free resistances would work too, you'd get a lot more out of lifesteal than. But as it is, the more you buy to support your E the worse the rest of your character is because nothing hangs together in his kit.
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Never thought I'd be higher Elo than Elementz, lol.
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How the fuck does free AD do not get better if you buy attackspeed or lifespeed, like starks, you do more damage and you are tankier. His passive and ult scale with HP. Go Atmogs, like a lot of other bruisers, it scales with your passive, gives you armour, gives you more damage, your E will crit(that's called scaling I believe). Even atmas is great, crit, damage and armour, how does that make you squishy.
Wit's end has nothing to do with having free hp, irelia gets no free hp yet people build it on her. Wit's end is good because of the stats it gives, not because it scales great with innate hp or whatever.
If you hit about once every 2 seconds on Mundo, then please explain to me how the heck you run around with .5 attackspeed all game long, because cc won't keep him off you.
You don't like Mundo/think he is bad, sure, but don't go and say he's a troll pick because you can't buy wit's end on him(you really can though) or because other champs are better.
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On January 03 2012 20:09 JackDino wrote:
How the fuck does free AD do not get better if you buy attackspeed or lifespeed, like starks, you do more damage and you are tankier. His passive and ult scale with HP. Go Atmogs, like a lot of other bruisers, it scales with your passive, gives you armour, gives you more damage, your E will crit(that's called scaling I believe). Even atmas is great, crit, damage and armour, how does that make you squishy.
No, just an atmas is not very hard scaling. I've built starks on him before, it's... ok? But not really any better than it is on better heroes, it's like the ideal combination of stats on him and it's still not that good.
Wit's end has nothing to do with having free hp, irelia gets no free hp yet people build it on her. Wit's end is good because of the stats it gives, not because it scales great with innate hp or whatever.
Wits end gives you HP on irelia, it's her W. That's what synergy is in this context, it's when things feed into each other.
If you hit about once every 2 seconds on Mundo, then please explain to me how the heck you run around with .5 attackspeed all game long, because cc won't keep him off you.
Don't know what this means
You don't like Mundo/think he is bad, sure, but don't go and say he's a troll pick because you can't buy wit's end on him(you really can though) or because other champs are better.
Didn't say he was a troll pick. Just the closest you can get to one with the current hero pool.
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so was viktor actually released yet? i have played a dozen games since his release date, i see people talking about him, and yet i haven't seen him picked or banned in a single game nor on stream
also i heard there was a champ called "volibear" in this game that was supposed to be OP upon release, yet i have never seen him in a game either
also has anyone heard of a champion called fizz?
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On January 03 2012 20:28 deskscaress wrote:
so was viktor actually released yet? i have played a dozen games since his release date, i see people talking about him, and yet i haven't seen him picked or banned in a single game nor on stream
also i heard there was a champ called "volibear" in this game that was supposed to be OP upon release, yet i have never seen him in a game either
also has anyone heard of a champion called fizz?
Which region are you playing in?
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On January 03 2012 20:28 deskscaress wrote:
so was viktor actually released yet? i have played a dozen games since his release date, i see people talking about him, and yet i haven't seen him picked or banned in a single game nor on stream
also i heard there was a champ called "volibear" in this game that was supposed to be OP upon release, yet i have never seen him in a game either
also has anyone heard of a champion called fizz?
What's your point? Why don't you just play them and laugh at people who underestimate them? It's been like this with almost every champ released - nobody plays them until someone known has balls big enough to spend 30+ games to find how to make a champion super strong
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Like I said earlier: there ARE top players who like Mundo (Chauster), but he just doesn't do well.
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On January 03 2012 17:33 Kaniol wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2012 12:13 Jaso wrote:
So uh, before I leave I'm gonna leave this post here and check up on responses when I wake up.
From my experiences in 1400-1500 ELO ranked games, it seems that people are extremely picky (tier-list slaves) about their team's picks.
However watching streams of people like HSGG, I see picks like Kat, Olaf, Poppy, etc. Is it just because people at higher elos are more chill, or is it because of a difference in skill that people at high elo aren't picky about champions?
It's because every champ is viable, you just have to practice him well (and ofc most champs simply have their pros and cons) and most other people are sheep (look at the amount of posts asking "is viktor viable?")
And those champions you named are actually good, given the right situations (which applies for every champ), and better players know when those situations are. Sometimes it actually helps to have an unpopular pick since people don't know how to deal with it as much anyways. Olaf is secretly OP anyways, he's not anywhere close to a weak pick.
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People asking if new shit is viable is completely irrelevant to that argument. There's a big difference between not having seen/played something new and something that's been tried repeatedly with no success.
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On January 03 2012 20:48 Craton wrote:
People asking if new shit is viable is completely irrelevant to that argument. There's a big difference between not having seen/played something new and something that's been tried repeatedly with no success.
I actually think deskscarass and kaniol are having a completely different discussion, nothing related to mundo
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What's up with Jax btw ? Since there are no more dodge runes :/
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On January 03 2012 21:32 mr_tolkien wrote:
What's up with Jax btw ? Since there are no more dodge runes :/
Originally Posted by FeralPony 2011-12-28
In Jax's case it's coming along pretty well and should be out soon. Overall I think his power level will stay pretty close to the same as before since there is a lot of value in consistency but his maximum use case has gone down some as a result. That said a lot of what keeps champions out of competitive play or ranked play is if they are too dependent on RNG or behave inconsistently. He will be helped significantly in this regard.
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Started jungle yesterday. My friend was soloing top against Nasus as Cho but his Q got farmed to all hell and carried the shit out of the game. I never had a great opportunity to gank so when I did it was largely to try and disrupt him a little bit. It wasn't enough. How does one go about shutting down Nasus' farm, if unable kill him?
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So i started winning a ton of normal games, and then this happened >.>
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/PH6D3.png)
Needless to say, i carried hard
EDIT: figured it out
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This Viktor champion so useless and bad. Everyone that tries to pick him is making his own team lose in such a bad manner that it's not even funny.
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On January 03 2012 22:56 Mondieu wrote:
This Viktor champion so useless and bad. Everyone that tries to pick him is making his own team lose in such a bad manner that it's not even funny.
Agreed. The only way to lose to a Viktor is if ur just plain bad.
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