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Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
December 31 2011 08:28 GMT
#401
On December 31 2011 17:24 Iplaythings wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2011 16:09 wei2coolman wrote:
Okay, so I was top lane against an akali, just lost top lane sooo badly, and even ended up feeding akali like 4-0. What can I do???, is it just one of those auto-lose lanes? or am I really just trash with irelia?

masteries 21/9/0
item
health pendent/pot
philostone.
negatron cloak,
boots,
sheen,
merc boots,
wit's end
phage,
triforce,
fon,
lost before I could get warmogs.

the team was, ap tf, skarner, kassidan, akali, swain.

How bad did i fuck up?

EDIT: ended going 4-10-6

What champion did you use lol


Notice how he asked if he was "just trash with Irelia?"

What lvls did you die? Because Irelia is not that good fighting people until around lvl 9. You're far too squishy early game, but if you farm and play safe, you should be able to destroy Akali wit Merc treads+Wit's End.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
December 31 2011 08:48 GMT
#402
On December 31 2011 16:01 locodoco wrote:
zzz sad performance today
team needs to be better in fights
crushed lanes every game though

Would think it would be the opposite with high ping. Make a vlog about MIG's tourney performance and 2012 prospects.
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
December 31 2011 08:51 GMT
#403
On December 31 2011 17:26 Zdrastochye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2011 17:24 Iplaythings wrote:
On December 31 2011 16:09 wei2coolman wrote:
Okay, so I was top lane against an akali, just lost top lane sooo badly, and even ended up feeding akali like 4-0. What can I do???, is it just one of those auto-lose lanes? or am I really just trash with irelia?

masteries 21/9/0
item
health pendent/pot
philostone.
negatron cloak,
boots,
sheen,
merc boots,
wit's end
phage,
triforce,
fon,
lost before I could get warmogs.

the team was, ap tf, skarner, kassidan, akali, swain.

How bad did i fuck up?

EDIT: ended going 4-10-6

What champion did you use lol


Obvious now?

Yep.
My advice: unless you're winning top lane as irelia, allways build a wriggles lantern, and if you'r unsure wether you're winning or not from the start I'd build 21 in defense. Especially vs someone like akali which struggles vs tanky people with sutain (Irelia is not tanky in lane if you rush sheen), a negatron isn't what you wanna go for that early, if I were you then I'd take a null magic mantle instead which also builds into wit's end.
And rhanduins omen > warmogs unless ou're getting atmas, and personally I don't like atmogs much
In the woods, there lurks..
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-31 09:37:09
December 31 2011 09:32 GMT
#404
So does everyone run full AD over arp on their AD carries now? I've tried both and apart from csing under turret I've been preferring arp every time, do more damage at all stages of the game, and also works great with BC and things like Janna shield.
Pink wards are also good in lane vs akali.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17250 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-31 09:33:44
December 31 2011 09:33 GMT
#405
You can double null mantle early, too, since wits + mercs is fairly common for Irelia.

On December 31 2011 18:32 JackDino wrote:
So does everyone run full AD over arp on their AD carries now? I've tried both and apart from csing under turret I've been preferring arp every time, do more damage at all stages of the game, and also works great with BC and things like Janna shield.

I run AD just because I'm bad at last hitting on AD. ARP is much better.
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Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
December 31 2011 09:50 GMT
#406
On December 31 2011 18:33 Craton wrote:
You can double null mantle early, too, since wits + mercs is fairly common for Irelia.

Show nested quote +
On December 31 2011 18:32 JackDino wrote:
So does everyone run full AD over arp on their AD carries now? I've tried both and apart from csing under turret I've been preferring arp every time, do more damage at all stages of the game, and also works great with BC and things like Janna shield.

I run AD just because I'm bad at last hitting on AD. ARP is much better.


Essentially this. If you are the absolute best AD ever, never miss a CS with full ARP runes do it. Your mid-late game damage will be superior. However since some of us mortals are pretty bad, we mix in a few AD runes to make it easier. IMO you have to find a balance where you do enough damage to last hit well, but still have arp runes to crush squishies. There's also certain rune setups for lasthitting under tower effectively, but I don't know them.
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JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-31 10:13:08
December 31 2011 09:53 GMT
#407
On December 31 2011 18:50 Amui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2011 18:33 Craton wrote:
You can double null mantle early, too, since wits + mercs is fairly common for Irelia.

On December 31 2011 18:32 JackDino wrote:
So does everyone run full AD over arp on their AD carries now? I've tried both and apart from csing under turret I've been preferring arp every time, do more damage at all stages of the game, and also works great with BC and things like Janna shield.

I run AD just because I'm bad at last hitting on AD. ARP is much better.


Essentially this. If you are the absolute best AD ever, never miss a CS with full ARP runes do it. Your mid-late game damage will be superior. However since some of us mortals are pretty bad, we mix in a few AD runes to make it easier. IMO you have to find a balance where you do enough damage to last hit well, but still have arp runes to crush squishies. There's also certain rune setups for lasthitting under tower effectively, but I don't know them.

Using AD because you are bad at csing is a bad argument tbh, if you want to improve your csing you should work on it, not make it easier with runes:p.
I'm not too good at csing on ADs either but missing a cs or two every now and then isn't such a big deal around the 1600s.
Even if I would run full AD I might miss some cs because I always try to cs at the last possible moment, ad doesnt help with that.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-31 10:22:30
December 31 2011 10:18 GMT
#408
I use AD because I only play Corki when I play AD cuz I suck with all other ADs and corki's passive is :D with AD runes. But even then I just go apen reds and AD yellows/quints. Screw armor.
tobi9999
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1966 Posts
December 31 2011 10:38 GMT
#409
i never notice the Arpen with AD carries :/. Only with bruisers

I've always ran full AD marks and quints lol
"tobi is ur iq 9999? cuz i think it might be u so smart wowowow." -Artosis
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
December 31 2011 10:39 GMT
#410
I have to say, one thing in League of Legends that will always be enjoyable for me- comboing people who underestimate you as Brand. Q stunning a Xin Zhao, then burninating him to death after he jumps you never really gets old. Ever. It's so unfair, but they never seem to expect it because they're used to people panicking and dying horribly.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-31 10:42:46
December 31 2011 10:42 GMT
#411
On December 31 2011 19:39 zer0das wrote:
I have to say, one thing in League of Legends that will always be enjoyable for me- comboing people who underestimate you as Brand. Q stunning a Xin Zhao, then burninating him to death after he jumps you never really gets old. Ever. It's so unfair, but they never seem to expect it because they're used to people panicking and dying horribly.

GL trying to hit anyone if they circle around and trough you:p
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
December 31 2011 10:46 GMT
#412
On December 31 2011 19:42 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2011 19:39 zer0das wrote:
I have to say, one thing in League of Legends that will always be enjoyable for me- comboing people who underestimate you as Brand. Q stunning a Xin Zhao, then burninating him to death after he jumps you never really gets old. Ever. It's so unfair, but they never seem to expect it because they're used to people panicking and dying horribly.

GL trying to hit anyone if they circle around and trough you:p


Have you seen the average Xin Zhao? I think you're giving them a little too much credit. >_>
starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
December 31 2011 10:59 GMT
#413
It happens with Xerath too. There's always someone who's like "he's immobile, charge him!" before getting vaporized.
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tobi9999
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1966 Posts
December 31 2011 11:39 GMT
#414
so um, first 3 games as pantheon

game 1) I decide to start dorans blade top for the hell of it, and because Riven isn't ranged

I throw a Q, then auto her once she comes to CS, I throw another Q then ignite her for first blood at approximately 2:10

She teleports back in front of me and I toss a spear once she comes, at this point i'm level 2, then i crit her twice my passive blocks tower, then I w to kill her and i block another tower hit. 2-0 at less than 3 minutes.

The wave pushes to my tower I completely deny her by tanking the minions before they reach my tower. She has 3 CS at 10 minute mark. I have 90.

Then our support decides he's had enough with our AD carry even though he was probably the problem and comes solo top soraka.

I run around and literally kill everyone. End game 10-1 LOL

Game 2) I start Dorans blade against a Yorick because I figured the only way I could win lane was to just first blood him.
Before minions spawn I check the brush, he's there then I just auto him a couple of times, spear him tiwce, then ignite and I get first blood at like 1:50

Then somehow I'm getting zoned by this Yorick because he's op in lane. However, when I hit 6 I score a triple kill by ganking bot and our team dragon. Then I buy a 14 minute bloodthirster and rape yorick, they surrender at 20.

Game 3) I go mid because our Ahri complained that LeBlanc was OP

I decided to go null magic mantle and 2 pots, then I just kept spearing her and she couldn't farm LOL.

I'm farming well, then when I hit 6 I just followed LB around wherever she ganked and was eventually 4-0. I have warmogs, mercs, and atmas at an absurdly early time, I forget when. Then I just told my team to come to baron and the enemy team was too scared to stop it and surrendered.

Maybe I'll try him in ranked LOL.
"tobi is ur iq 9999? cuz i think it might be u so smart wowowow." -Artosis
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-31 11:45:27
December 31 2011 11:45 GMT
#415
EDIT:Wrong thread
Terran
DoXa
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Switzerland1448 Posts
December 31 2011 12:19 GMT
#416
On December 31 2011 20:39 tobi9999 wrote:
so um, first 3 games as pantheon

+ Show Spoiler +
game 1) I decide to start dorans blade top for the hell of it, and because Riven isn't ranged

I throw a Q, then auto her once she comes to CS, I throw another Q then ignite her for first blood at approximately 2:10

She teleports back in front of me and I toss a spear once she comes, at this point i'm level 2, then i crit her twice my passive blocks tower, then I w to kill her and i block another tower hit. 2-0 at less than 3 minutes.

The wave pushes to my tower I completely deny her by tanking the minions before they reach my tower. She has 3 CS at 10 minute mark. I have 90.

Then our support decides he's had enough with our AD carry even though he was probably the problem and comes solo top soraka.

I run around and literally kill everyone. End game 10-1 LOL

Game 2) I start Dorans blade against a Yorick because I figured the only way I could win lane was to just first blood him.
Before minions spawn I check the brush, he's there then I just auto him a couple of times, spear him tiwce, then ignite and I get first blood at like 1:50

Then somehow I'm getting zoned by this Yorick because he's op in lane. However, when I hit 6 I score a triple kill by ganking bot and our team dragon. Then I buy a 14 minute bloodthirster and rape yorick, they surrender at 20.

Game 3) I go mid because our Ahri complained that LeBlanc was OP

I decided to go null magic mantle and 2 pots, then I just kept spearing her and she couldn't farm LOL.

I'm farming well, then when I hit 6 I just followed LB around wherever she ganked and was eventually 4-0. I have warmogs, mercs, and atmas at an absurdly early time, I forget when. Then I just told my team to come to baron and the enemy team was too scared to stop it and surrendered.


Maybe I'll try him in ranked LOL.


you've been lucky enough that the games ended at 20 minutes. if the game goes beyond the 30 minute mark, you'll be pretty much useless. if had plenty of games where i was 12/2 or something like that and still lost because the game went for too long.

but true, he's really really strong early game and can wreck a lane in a way that the enemy laner is useless. laning against a squishy without armor runes mid is hilarous.
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-31 12:27:28
December 31 2011 12:23 GMT
#417
On December 31 2011 18:32 JackDino wrote:
So does everyone run full AD over arp on their AD carries now? I've tried both and apart from csing under turret I've been preferring arp every time, do more damage at all stages of the game, and also works great with BC and things like Janna shield.
Pink wards are also good in lane vs akali.



AD quints+marks+1 ad glyph=16 ad. So cool to show up in lane with +29 ad
hi
RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
December 31 2011 12:34 GMT
#418
Er, how long till the maintenance? Can't be bothered figuring out timezones.
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
anmolsinghmzn2009
Profile Joined June 2011
India1783 Posts
December 31 2011 12:59 GMT
#419
On December 31 2011 21:23 Sponkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2011 18:32 JackDino wrote:
So does everyone run full AD over arp on their AD carries now? I've tried both and apart from csing under turret I've been preferring arp every time, do more damage at all stages of the game, and also works great with BC and things like Janna shield.
Pink wards are also good in lane vs akali.



AD quints+marks+1 ad glyph=16 ad. So cool to show up in lane with +29 ad

My friend has a full AD page which he uses for tryndamere. First blood each time every time.
Dunk first. Ask questions while dunking.
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-31 13:55:20
December 31 2011 13:17 GMT
#420
On December 31 2011 12:21 Shiv. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2011 12:13 daemir wrote:
Wish people would stop calling a single champion picks for role XYZ a new "meta"

Wish people were capable of reading.

a) I was joking because said meta mainly relies on ultimates vaporizing while you right click next to something. Singed ultimate does nothing of that sort, yet it's something that let's you run at people faster while pressing R.
b) I never said jungle Singed was part of said meta or a good pick.
c) ???
d) profit.


I did not mean you with that btw, I typed it out right after Colby declared jungle singed is a new meta. Should have been more clear sorry.


and about the AD runes on AD carries, Chaox said during the cast he uses 15 AD page for all his ADs + double defensive (13/13)

maybe im too tired still, was watching dyrus' stream for a good 20 minutes and I was like hey, what's that ghost buster's logo doing on his screen..and then game is nearly over when I finally get it connected inside my head, ghost busters logo, on top of minimap, on his stream..duuh!
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