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rwrzr
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1980 Posts
December 31 2011 18:06 GMT
#441
On January 01 2012 03:01 wei2coolman wrote:
Which are better? MR/level blues? or flat MR blues?


I run a mix strategy, but depends on when you believe you will need the MR. (Whole argument revolves around how much it helps you "win" your lane.
FADC
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
December 31 2011 18:06 GMT
#442
On January 01 2012 02:55 sylverfyre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2011 17:04 tobi9999 wrote:
On December 31 2011 16:45 Craton wrote:
You're kind of constrained with team comps without CV, but it works with the current meta. You have to either have vision or a tank that can walk in front at key moments or you will just get raped facechecking. There was an instance of this not to long ago (scrim or go4lol maybe?) where a team was running a heavy carry team with noct jungle and something like two APs, so they had nobody who could walk forward without vision. Meanwhile the enemy team cleared their wards and took baron before they could move forward to see if they were actually doing it.

You theoretically could still run the super carry comp if you got ahead early and/or had tons of wards to spam against oracle clearing, though. Alternative is to have a tank support like Alistar who can facecheck, but in current era soraka/sona are heavily favored.


Errr, you can still use spells to check brush though. CV was a huge crutch, but it wasn't the answer for everything.

Also even if you have no spell to throw at brush to check, you can just chuck wards into the brush, ward-tossing range is respectable.

Depends on the brush and if the opponent is actually in there, if they're in there while you're going to ward all they need is a stun and it's 4v5.
On January 01 2012 03:01 wei2coolman wrote:
Which are better? MR/level blues? or flat MR blues?

Depends, if you need MR in lane got flat, if you dont need it in lane go /lvl. For junglers /lvl is generally better than flat.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
December 31 2011 18:23 GMT
#443
On January 01 2012 03:06 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 02:55 sylverfyre wrote:
On December 31 2011 17:04 tobi9999 wrote:
On December 31 2011 16:45 Craton wrote:
You're kind of constrained with team comps without CV, but it works with the current meta. You have to either have vision or a tank that can walk in front at key moments or you will just get raped facechecking. There was an instance of this not to long ago (scrim or go4lol maybe?) where a team was running a heavy carry team with noct jungle and something like two APs, so they had nobody who could walk forward without vision. Meanwhile the enemy team cleared their wards and took baron before they could move forward to see if they were actually doing it.

You theoretically could still run the super carry comp if you got ahead early and/or had tons of wards to spam against oracle clearing, though. Alternative is to have a tank support like Alistar who can facecheck, but in current era soraka/sona are heavily favored.


Errr, you can still use spells to check brush though. CV was a huge crutch, but it wasn't the answer for everything.

Also even if you have no spell to throw at brush to check, you can just chuck wards into the brush, ward-tossing range is respectable.

Depends on the brush and if the opponent is actually in there, if they're in there while you're going to ward all they need is a stun and it's 4v5.
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 03:01 wei2coolman wrote:
Which are better? MR/level blues? or flat MR blues?

Depends, if you need MR in lane got flat, if you dont need it in lane go /lvl. For junglers /lvl is generally better than flat.

Ah, okay, that's what I figured, I was just wondering if I could be a cheap-o and just run one of these, rather than having to buy both.
liftlift > tsm
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
December 31 2011 18:24 GMT
#444
On January 01 2012 03:01 wei2coolman wrote:
Which are better? MR/level blues? or flat MR blues?

As mentioned, it is situational.

HOWEVER

If you're just about to buy either of the two, get FLAT MR. You can always adjust your items if you need more MR mid/lategame. The impact of runes isn't very big lategame either. But you WILL find situations where flat MR is clearly better and there are no viable alternatives (You can't buy half a Null Magic Mantle, duh). The same can not be said for MR/L.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
December 31 2011 18:25 GMT
#445
On January 01 2012 02:30 spinesheath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 01:48 Haemonculus wrote:
Bwahahaha, got a random best-buy giftcard for christmas. I never get anything at best buy, but I was cleaning out my computer this morning and needed thermal paste and canned air. Gift card had exactly $25 left, and there was a $25 LoL prepaid riot points thing staring me in the face in the checkout line.

Having more RP than I know what to do with, I bought MOAR RUNE PAGES! Wheeeee!

Dunno what to fill them all with now though lololol. I think I've covered every possible matchup/scenario/role I can think of, but I still have one page left to fill! Bah!

You haven't covered them all, trust me.
Just a bunch of pages I'd like to have:
+ Show Spoiler +
APen AR MR AR
APen AR MR MR
APen AR MR AD
APen AR MR MS
AD AR MR AR
AD AR MR MR
AD AR MR AD
AD AR MR MS
AR AR MR AR
AR AR MR MS
AR AR MR GP10
MR AR MR MR
MR AR MR MS
MPen AR MR AP
MPen AR MR MR
MPen AR MR MS
MPen AR APL AP
MPen AR APL MS
MPen MP5 MR AP
MPen MP5 MR MR
MPen MP5 APL AP
MPen APL APL AP
MPen APL MR AP
APen HPL MR MR
Akali page with APL glyphs
Akali page with MR glyphs
A couple of Ryze pages
A bunch of jungle pages
A Soraka page (has a bunch of CDR, but I never really thought it through in detail)
...
And I haven't even covered the less common runes or gimmicky pages yet...

Well sry Prof Runepage.

Hmm, I have a half-assed runepage for ryze, but I don't really have much in the way of mana-pool runes. I don't think I'd ever use them on anyone else, so I never bothered getting them. For Ryze I think I run like mpen, mp5, mr/lvl, MS. I think it would be better with either flat mana or scaling mana yellows/blues. Y'all think MS or Mpen for quints on ryze?

Also haven't set up a runepage for just AD/AP. Is that useful on anyone but Jax? I've like, never actually played him.

Set up a hybrid page with the new double-pen runes but I don't think it'd actually be useful for anyone but Kayle, and she's such an underwhelming champ T_T
I admire your commitment to being *very* oily
Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
December 31 2011 18:27 GMT
#446
On January 01 2012 03:23 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 03:06 JackDino wrote:
On January 01 2012 02:55 sylverfyre wrote:
On December 31 2011 17:04 tobi9999 wrote:
On December 31 2011 16:45 Craton wrote:
You're kind of constrained with team comps without CV, but it works with the current meta. You have to either have vision or a tank that can walk in front at key moments or you will just get raped facechecking. There was an instance of this not to long ago (scrim or go4lol maybe?) where a team was running a heavy carry team with noct jungle and something like two APs, so they had nobody who could walk forward without vision. Meanwhile the enemy team cleared their wards and took baron before they could move forward to see if they were actually doing it.

You theoretically could still run the super carry comp if you got ahead early and/or had tons of wards to spam against oracle clearing, though. Alternative is to have a tank support like Alistar who can facecheck, but in current era soraka/sona are heavily favored.


Errr, you can still use spells to check brush though. CV was a huge crutch, but it wasn't the answer for everything.

Also even if you have no spell to throw at brush to check, you can just chuck wards into the brush, ward-tossing range is respectable.

Depends on the brush and if the opponent is actually in there, if they're in there while you're going to ward all they need is a stun and it's 4v5.
On January 01 2012 03:01 wei2coolman wrote:
Which are better? MR/level blues? or flat MR blues?

Depends, if you need MR in lane got flat, if you dont need it in lane go /lvl. For junglers /lvl is generally better than flat.

Ah, okay, that's what I figured, I was just wondering if I could be a cheap-o and just run one of these, rather than having to buy both.

Yeah, flat is probably better as spines explained, but in certain lanes, (top vs phys-damage-only bruisers, or bot vs only AD champs), having the extra MR late game is nice, and you're unlikely to take much magic damage early game anyway. I think I use scaling ones more in my own runepages but if I'm ever going mid lane (which will be vs a caster like 99% of the time), I take the flat MR.
I admire your commitment to being *very* oily
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
December 31 2011 18:30 GMT
#447
On January 01 2012 03:25 Haemonculus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 02:30 spinesheath wrote:
On January 01 2012 01:48 Haemonculus wrote:
Bwahahaha, got a random best-buy giftcard for christmas. I never get anything at best buy, but I was cleaning out my computer this morning and needed thermal paste and canned air. Gift card had exactly $25 left, and there was a $25 LoL prepaid riot points thing staring me in the face in the checkout line.

Having more RP than I know what to do with, I bought MOAR RUNE PAGES! Wheeeee!

Dunno what to fill them all with now though lololol. I think I've covered every possible matchup/scenario/role I can think of, but I still have one page left to fill! Bah!

You haven't covered them all, trust me.
Just a bunch of pages I'd like to have:
+ Show Spoiler +
APen AR MR AR
APen AR MR MR
APen AR MR AD
APen AR MR MS
AD AR MR AR
AD AR MR MR
AD AR MR AD
AD AR MR MS
AR AR MR AR
AR AR MR MS
AR AR MR GP10
MR AR MR MR
MR AR MR MS
MPen AR MR AP
MPen AR MR MR
MPen AR MR MS
MPen AR APL AP
MPen AR APL MS
MPen MP5 MR AP
MPen MP5 MR MR
MPen MP5 APL AP
MPen APL APL AP
MPen APL MR AP
APen HPL MR MR
Akali page with APL glyphs
Akali page with MR glyphs
A couple of Ryze pages
A bunch of jungle pages
A Soraka page (has a bunch of CDR, but I never really thought it through in detail)
...
And I haven't even covered the less common runes or gimmicky pages yet...

Well sry Prof Runepage.

Hmm, I have a half-assed runepage for ryze, but I don't really have much in the way of mana-pool runes. I don't think I'd ever use them on anyone else, so I never bothered getting them. For Ryze I think I run like mpen, mp5, mr/lvl, MS. I think it would be better with either flat mana or scaling mana yellows/blues. Y'all think MS or Mpen for quints on ryze?

Also haven't set up a runepage for just AD/AP. Is that useful on anyone but Jax? I've like, never actually played him.

Set up a hybrid page with the new double-pen runes but I don't think it'd actually be useful for anyone but Kayle, and she's such an underwhelming champ T_T


I'd just fill out runepages for 5-8 champions that I'd really like playing then the rest can be fairly general.

Ryze is a niche champion and would need his own page to maximize his efficiency (MS Quints, MPen, Mana/Level, Flat Mana, Seals are a flexible slot but rest are best per slot for Ryze)

AD/AP I've never made. Double Pen feels very underwhelming in general.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
December 31 2011 18:35 GMT
#448
So I want to make a troll runepage for specifically an AD carry at level 1. Should I be going full AD? or full Crit Chance?
liftlift > tsm
Abenson
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada4122 Posts
December 31 2011 18:36 GMT
#449
I'm just too poor for runes.
I have 2 rune pages, and only 1 of them is completed - my flat AD//flat Armour//mr/lv // ad quints page
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
December 31 2011 18:44 GMT
#450
What the hell...
I was looking through old patch notes, and came across a specific nerf to flash in the udyr patch

Range reduced to 450 from 1000.

Holy crap, flash used to be 1k range. Could you even imagine how brokenly OP that would be in the current day?
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
December 31 2011 18:45 GMT
#451
On January 01 2012 03:35 wei2coolman wrote:
So I want to make a troll runepage for specifically an AD carry at level 1. Should I be going full AD? or full Crit Chance?


Ehhh, but you'd do more damage with some armor pen.
A lot of players are now starting to go armor pen reds and crit chance quints. 10% crit chance on level 1 is hilarious and retarded. Crit for 150 npnp. On gangplank it's extra funny. Parley crit for 250 lvl 1. Sup.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
December 31 2011 18:57 GMT
#452
On January 01 2012 03:44 57 Corvette wrote:
What the hell...
I was looking through old patch notes, and came across a specific nerf to flash in the udyr patch

Range reduced to 450 from 1000.

Holy crap, flash used to be 1k range. Could you even imagine how brokenly OP that would be in the current day?

Yah flash used to warp you instantly across like half the screen. It was crazy broken. Nerfed for good reason!
I admire your commitment to being *very* oily
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
December 31 2011 19:01 GMT
#453
I'm suddenly glad I didn't play during those times, 1k range flash ta fak with those ganks?
Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
December 31 2011 19:03 GMT
#454
On January 01 2012 04:01 daemir wrote:
I'm suddenly glad I didn't play during those times, 1k range flash ta fak with those ganks?

To be fair, Udyr didn't exist at that time.
I admire your commitment to being *very* oily
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-31 19:05:10
December 31 2011 19:04 GMT
#455
Who cares about udyr, any jungler with a disable, 1k range flash, ta fak with those ganks?

lol annie must have been real mid lane terror back then. zone half lane at 6 np np
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
December 31 2011 19:09 GMT
#456
On January 01 2012 04:04 daemir wrote:
Who cares about udyr, any jungler with a disable, 1k range flash, ta fak with those ganks?

lol annie must have been real mid lane terror back then. zone half lane at 6 np np

To be fair junglers didn't exist at that time
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
December 31 2011 19:18 GMT
#457
On January 01 2012 03:57 Haemonculus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 03:44 57 Corvette wrote:
What the hell...
I was looking through old patch notes, and came across a specific nerf to flash in the udyr patch

Range reduced to 450 from 1000.

Holy crap, flash used to be 1k range. Could you even imagine how brokenly OP that would be in the current day?

Yah flash used to warp you instantly across like half the screen. It was crazy broken. Nerfed for good reason!


woa woa woa... first of all flash had 1k range and like 9 min cooldown. It was pretty rough
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Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
December 31 2011 19:21 GMT
#458
On January 01 2012 04:18 Phrost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 03:57 Haemonculus wrote:
On January 01 2012 03:44 57 Corvette wrote:
What the hell...
I was looking through old patch notes, and came across a specific nerf to flash in the udyr patch

Range reduced to 450 from 1000.

Holy crap, flash used to be 1k range. Could you even imagine how brokenly OP that would be in the current day?

Yah flash used to warp you instantly across like half the screen. It was crazy broken. Nerfed for good reason!


woa woa woa... first of all flash had 1k range and like 9 min cooldown. It was pretty rough

o.O; I totes don't remember the 9 minute cooldown...
I admire your commitment to being *very* oily
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
December 31 2011 19:25 GMT
#459
It also popped projectiles back then. Old flash was so much cooler ^_^
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
December 31 2011 19:28 GMT
#460
Yah popping projectiles was crazy. So many shenanigans could be done with that.
I admire your commitment to being *very* oily
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