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On December 31 2011 18:53 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2011 18:50 Amui wrote:On December 31 2011 18:33 Craton wrote:You can double null mantle early, too, since wits + mercs is fairly common for Irelia. On December 31 2011 18:32 JackDino wrote:
So does everyone run full AD over arp on their AD carries now? I've tried both and apart from csing under turret I've been preferring arp every time, do more damage at all stages of the game, and also works great with BC and things like Janna shield. I run AD just because I'm bad at last hitting on AD. ARP is much better. Essentially this. If you are the absolute best AD ever, never miss a CS with full ARP runes do it. Your mid-late game damage will be superior. However since some of us mortals are pretty bad, we mix in a few AD runes to make it easier. IMO you have to find a balance where you do enough damage to last hit well, but still have arp runes to crush squishies. There's also certain rune setups for lasthitting under tower effectively, but I don't know them. Using AD because you are bad at csing is a bad argument tbh, if you want to improve your csing you should work on it, not make it easier with runes:p. I'm not too good at csing on ADs either but missing a cs or two every now and then isn't such a big deal around the 1600s. Even if I would run full AD I might miss some cs because I always try to cs at the last possible moment, ad doesnt help with that.
you can work on your last hitting without dropping ad runes. when you hit for ~100 you can still hold your fire to let the minion attack it again, meaning your wave pushes slower, which is an improvement in your farming. so your argument that you need to lower your ad to the lowest possible numbers to improve your last hitting is also bad ;p
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On December 31 2011 23:47 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2011 18:53 JackDino wrote:On December 31 2011 18:50 Amui wrote:On December 31 2011 18:33 Craton wrote:You can double null mantle early, too, since wits + mercs is fairly common for Irelia. On December 31 2011 18:32 JackDino wrote:
So does everyone run full AD over arp on their AD carries now? I've tried both and apart from csing under turret I've been preferring arp every time, do more damage at all stages of the game, and also works great with BC and things like Janna shield. I run AD just because I'm bad at last hitting on AD. ARP is much better. Essentially this. If you are the absolute best AD ever, never miss a CS with full ARP runes do it. Your mid-late game damage will be superior. However since some of us mortals are pretty bad, we mix in a few AD runes to make it easier. IMO you have to find a balance where you do enough damage to last hit well, but still have arp runes to crush squishies. There's also certain rune setups for lasthitting under tower effectively, but I don't know them. Using AD because you are bad at csing is a bad argument tbh, if you want to improve your csing you should work on it, not make it easier with runes:p. I'm not too good at csing on ADs either but missing a cs or two every now and then isn't such a big deal around the 1600s. Even if I would run full AD I might miss some cs because I always try to cs at the last possible moment, ad doesnt help with that. you can work on your last hitting without dropping ad runes. when you hit for ~100 you can still hold your fire to let the minion attack it again, meaning your wave pushes slower, which is an improvement in your farming. so your argument that you need to lower your ad to the lowest possible numbers to improve your last hitting is also bad ;p
That's true. In fact you should practice last hitting in custom games, in ranked you just should try to maximize your chances of winning with any possible means - even if it equals overcoming your flaws by using runes
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I've never noticed any difference in my ability to last hit with AD vs Arpen reds so I use the Arpen.
As for ranked I heartily disagree. You're not playing for cash in *any* ranked match (arranged or solo queue) so you should approach each game with the goal of improving rather than the goal of winning. You don't learn anything from winning.
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On January 01 2012 00:48 phyvo wrote:
I've never noticed any difference in my ability to last hit with AD vs Arpen reds so I use the Arpen.
As for ranked I heartily disagree. You're not playing for cash in *any* ranked match (arranged or solo queue) so you should approach each game with the goal of improving rather than the goal of winning. You don't learn anything from winning.
Wanting to win too much never gets me anywhere, but when I duo q with a good buddy and just don't care about the results and focus on having fun playing with him, we usually end up winning.
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Bwahahaha, got a random best-buy giftcard for christmas. I never get anything at best buy, but I was cleaning out my computer this morning and needed thermal paste and canned air. Gift card had exactly $25 left, and there was a $25 LoL prepaid riot points thing staring me in the face in the checkout line.
Having more RP than I know what to do with, I bought MOAR RUNE PAGES! Wheeeee!
Dunno what to fill them all with now though lololol. I think I've covered every possible matchup/scenario/role I can think of, but I still have one page left to fill! Bah!
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On January 01 2012 01:48 Haemonculus wrote:
Bwahahaha, got a random best-buy giftcard for christmas. I never get anything at best buy, but I was cleaning out my computer this morning and needed thermal paste and canned air. Gift card had exactly $25 left, and there was a $25 LoL prepaid riot points thing staring me in the face in the checkout line.
Having more RP than I know what to do with, I bought MOAR RUNE PAGES! Wheeeee!
Dunno what to fill them all with now though lololol. I think I've covered every possible matchup/scenario/role I can think of, but I still have one page left to fill! Bah!
Now you need an all AD rune page for Dblade first ez mid
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On January 01 2012 01:48 Haemonculus wrote:
Bwahahaha, got a random best-buy giftcard for christmas. I never get anything at best buy, but I was cleaning out my computer this morning and needed thermal paste and canned air. Gift card had exactly $25 left, and there was a $25 LoL prepaid riot points thing staring me in the face in the checkout line.
Having more RP than I know what to do with, I bought MOAR RUNE PAGES! Wheeeee!
Dunno what to fill them all with now though lololol. I think I've covered every possible matchup/scenario/role I can think of, but I still have one page left to fill! Bah!
All Armor, to troll AD toplanes.
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I noticed 2 things in the ranked game I played earlier today!
First, Viktor DESTROYS Swain! He has no answer to Q spam, it's not a contest at all.
Second, Viktor's pretty amazing at bush-pwnage ala Garen. W ERQ combo and they die instantly!
I'm not sure if you can just shrug that off as bugfixes... are those nerfs or buffs?
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On January 01 2012 02:06 Niton wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 01:48 Haemonculus wrote:
Bwahahaha, got a random best-buy giftcard for christmas. I never get anything at best buy, but I was cleaning out my computer this morning and needed thermal paste and canned air. Gift card had exactly $25 left, and there was a $25 LoL prepaid riot points thing staring me in the face in the checkout line.
Having more RP than I know what to do with, I bought MOAR RUNE PAGES! Wheeeee!
Dunno what to fill them all with now though lololol. I think I've covered every possible matchup/scenario/role I can think of, but I still have one page left to fill! Bah! All Armor, to troll AD toplanes.
Yah, I need armor blues though. I have a page called like "fuck you garen" and it's just arpen and as much armor as I have. Still lack flat armor blues T_T, will be my next purchase I guess.
On January 01 2012 01:52 Abenson wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 01:48 Haemonculus wrote:
Bwahahaha, got a random best-buy giftcard for christmas. I never get anything at best buy, but I was cleaning out my computer this morning and needed thermal paste and canned air. Gift card had exactly $25 left, and there was a $25 LoL prepaid riot points thing staring me in the face in the checkout line.
Having more RP than I know what to do with, I bought MOAR RUNE PAGES! Wheeeee!
Dunno what to fill them all with now though lololol. I think I've covered every possible matchup/scenario/role I can think of, but I still have one page left to fill! Bah! Now you need an all AD rune page for Dblade first ez mid
Yup! Got a "FIRST BLOOD?" runepage which is just like flat AD on reds/quints. Mebbe I should get flat AD other stuff too wololo
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On January 01 2012 01:52 Abenson wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 01:48 Haemonculus wrote:
Bwahahaha, got a random best-buy giftcard for christmas. I never get anything at best buy, but I was cleaning out my computer this morning and needed thermal paste and canned air. Gift card had exactly $25 left, and there was a $25 LoL prepaid riot points thing staring me in the face in the checkout line.
Having more RP than I know what to do with, I bought MOAR RUNE PAGES! Wheeeee!
Dunno what to fill them all with now though lololol. I think I've covered every possible matchup/scenario/role I can think of, but I still have one page left to fill! Bah! Now you need an all AD rune page for Dblade first ez mid
100 ad lvl 1 ignite exhaust ez mid <3
It's like a huge letdown to do that for the rest of the game, but there's nothing more enjoyable than doing 30% of their life with a Mystic like you use to do 1 year and a half ago.
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On January 01 2012 02:18 Noocta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 01:52 Abenson wrote:On January 01 2012 01:48 Haemonculus wrote:
Bwahahaha, got a random best-buy giftcard for christmas. I never get anything at best buy, but I was cleaning out my computer this morning and needed thermal paste and canned air. Gift card had exactly $25 left, and there was a $25 LoL prepaid riot points thing staring me in the face in the checkout line.
Having more RP than I know what to do with, I bought MOAR RUNE PAGES! Wheeeee!
Dunno what to fill them all with now though lololol. I think I've covered every possible matchup/scenario/role I can think of, but I still have one page left to fill! Bah! Now you need an all AD rune page for Dblade first ez mid 100 ad lvl 1 ignite exhaust ez mid <3 It's like a huge letdown to do that for the rest of the game, but there's nothing more enjoyable than doing 30% of their life with a Mystic like you use to do 1 year and a half ago.
And back then you would do that without having any AD items or runes at all =/ Sure miss that Ezreal
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Do you have a Ryze runepage?
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On January 01 2012 00:48 phyvo wrote:
I've never noticed any difference in my ability to last hit with AD vs Arpen reds so I use the Arpen.
As for ranked I heartily disagree. You're not playing for cash in *any* ranked match (arranged or solo queue) so you should approach each game with the goal of improving rather than the goal of winning. You don't learn anything from winning.
Other than early lasthitting under tower, there isn't too much of a difference, and killing creeps when they have more HP just pushes the lane. I still run full arpen on Corki because I feel that his early/mid-game are strong enough already, and full arpen with a Black Cleaver allows you to forego a lategame Last Whisper and just pick each of the BF items (plus triforce, a defensive item if necessary, and boots).
I feel like I learn plenty from winning, since you get a good idea of what works and what doesn't at your elo. Since I make mistakes every game, I enjoy watching my wins more because 1) the mistakes are generally fewer and easier to isolate, and 2) obviously not as big a punch to the egosack as watching myself lose. If I contribute significantly to a loss, usually I made enough big, noticeable mistakes that watching the replay for more seems redundant. If I watch a loss I generally focus on the laning phase since that's where individual skill plays a big role.
Ofc watching losing replays is helpful to improvement, but a lot of times it's easy to pick out where you messed up.
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In my opinion movement and decisionmaking are far more important things to inspect in replays than laning phase
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On January 01 2012 01:48 Haemonculus wrote:
Bwahahaha, got a random best-buy giftcard for christmas. I never get anything at best buy, but I was cleaning out my computer this morning and needed thermal paste and canned air. Gift card had exactly $25 left, and there was a $25 LoL prepaid riot points thing staring me in the face in the checkout line.
Having more RP than I know what to do with, I bought MOAR RUNE PAGES! Wheeeee!
Dunno what to fill them all with now though lololol. I think I've covered every possible matchup/scenario/role I can think of, but I still have one page left to fill! Bah!
You haven't covered them all, trust me.
Just a bunch of pages I'd like to have:
+ Show Spoiler +APen AR MR AR
APen AR MR MR
APen AR MR AD
APen AR MR MS
AD AR MR AR
AD AR MR MR
AD AR MR AD
AD AR MR MS
AR AR MR AR
AR AR MR MS
AR AR MR GP10
MR AR MR MR
MR AR MR MS
MPen AR MR AP
MPen AR MR MR
MPen AR MR MS
MPen AR APL AP
MPen AR APL MS
MPen MP5 MR AP
MPen MP5 MR MR
MPen MP5 APL AP
MPen APL APL AP
MPen APL MR AP
APen HPL MR MR
Akali page with APL glyphs
Akali page with MR glyphs
A couple of Ryze pages
A bunch of jungle pages
A Soraka page (has a bunch of CDR, but I never really thought it through in detail)
...
And I haven't even covered the less common runes or gimmicky pages yet...
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On December 31 2011 23:47 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2011 18:53 JackDino wrote:On December 31 2011 18:50 Amui wrote:On December 31 2011 18:33 Craton wrote:You can double null mantle early, too, since wits + mercs is fairly common for Irelia. On December 31 2011 18:32 JackDino wrote:
So does everyone run full AD over arp on their AD carries now? I've tried both and apart from csing under turret I've been preferring arp every time, do more damage at all stages of the game, and also works great with BC and things like Janna shield. I run AD just because I'm bad at last hitting on AD. ARP is much better. Essentially this. If you are the absolute best AD ever, never miss a CS with full ARP runes do it. Your mid-late game damage will be superior. However since some of us mortals are pretty bad, we mix in a few AD runes to make it easier. IMO you have to find a balance where you do enough damage to last hit well, but still have arp runes to crush squishies. There's also certain rune setups for lasthitting under tower effectively, but I don't know them. Using AD because you are bad at csing is a bad argument tbh, if you want to improve your csing you should work on it, not make it easier with runes:p. I'm not too good at csing on ADs either but missing a cs or two every now and then isn't such a big deal around the 1600s. Even if I would run full AD I might miss some cs because I always try to cs at the last possible moment, ad doesnt help with that. you can work on your last hitting without dropping ad runes. when you hit for ~100 you can still hold your fire to let the minion attack it again, meaning your wave pushes slower, which is an improvement in your farming. so your argument that you need to lower your ad to the lowest possible numbers to improve your last hitting is also bad ;p
That´s not what I said, what I said was that using AD runes purely because you´re bad @ csing is bad. I followed that up with trying to improve your cs without using runes that make it easier.
I never said you should learn to cs by using as little ad as possible.
On January 01 2012 02:13 Haemonculus wrote:
Yup! Got a "FIRST BLOOD?" runepage which is just like flat AD on reds/quints. Mebbe I should get flat AD other stuff too wololo
Go for a mix of full AP/AD and play jax, lvl W and stomp every melee that tries to cs.
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On December 31 2011 17:04 tobi9999 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2011 16:45 Craton wrote:
You're kind of constrained with team comps without CV, but it works with the current meta. You have to either have vision or a tank that can walk in front at key moments or you will just get raped facechecking. There was an instance of this not to long ago (scrim or go4lol maybe?) where a team was running a heavy carry team with noct jungle and something like two APs, so they had nobody who could walk forward without vision. Meanwhile the enemy team cleared their wards and took baron before they could move forward to see if they were actually doing it.
You theoretically could still run the super carry comp if you got ahead early and/or had tons of wards to spam against oracle clearing, though. Alternative is to have a tank support like Alistar who can facecheck, but in current era soraka/sona are heavily favored. Errr, you can still use spells to check brush though. CV was a huge crutch, but it wasn't the answer for everything.
Also even if you have no spell to throw at brush to check, you can just chuck wards into the brush, ward-tossing range is respectable.
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On January 01 2012 02:19 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 02:18 Noocta wrote:On January 01 2012 01:52 Abenson wrote:On January 01 2012 01:48 Haemonculus wrote:
Bwahahaha, got a random best-buy giftcard for christmas. I never get anything at best buy, but I was cleaning out my computer this morning and needed thermal paste and canned air. Gift card had exactly $25 left, and there was a $25 LoL prepaid riot points thing staring me in the face in the checkout line.
Having more RP than I know what to do with, I bought MOAR RUNE PAGES! Wheeeee!
Dunno what to fill them all with now though lololol. I think I've covered every possible matchup/scenario/role I can think of, but I still have one page left to fill! Bah! Now you need an all AD rune page for Dblade first ez mid 100 ad lvl 1 ignite exhaust ez mid <3 It's like a huge letdown to do that for the rest of the game, but there's nothing more enjoyable than doing 30% of their life with a Mystic like you use to do 1 year and a half ago. And back then you would do that without having any AD items or runes at all =/ Sure miss that Ezreal
AND YOU COULD HEAL WITH PEWPEWS
RIP EZ
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Which are better? MR/level blues? or flat MR blues?
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