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On November 30 2011 16:08 Terranasaur wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 15:53 petered wrote:On November 30 2011 14:45 DarkwindHK wrote:On November 30 2011 14:20 petered wrote:
So a question for the TL LoL crowd.
Here is the situation.
One player never connects. 20 minutes in and it is clear we have no chance to win. The other team sucks, though, and isn't finishing the game quickly. there is easily another 20 minutes til they finish us off.
I personally want to move on to another game. However, another teammate declares that this is his last game of the night, and he wants to play it all the way out. My team refuses the surrender.
I decide to leave the game, and my teammates let me know I am reported. My question is, is it wrong to leave in that situation?
In my mind, I only find the game fun if there is a chance of winning, so for me it makes sense to leave. My teammates say they still find it fun even when the eventual outcome is decided (not conjecture that is what they said). So by leaving, I don't waste my time on an unfun (for me) game and my teammates can still enjoy their game, since they don't mind playing an unwinnable game. So their fun isn't lessened and I don't have to waste 20 minutes on something not worth my time.
Thoughts? I am not worked up about the issue, just curious what people think. This is not even a question if you think team games requires sportsmanship. There are plenty of football match where one team has so chance of winning, but they still play the full 90 minutes + times loss. Have you ever seen a world cup match that stop at half time because one team is losing too much? I think respect is needed for all games that involve more than one person. I am not worried about being banned, as others have inquired. I was just curious on peoples opinions on the "right" thing to do. Someone else already pointed this out but your example is irrelevant since people are getting paid to play football or soccer (or a scholarship for college games). I am playing for the sole purpose of having fun, as are the other people in the game. How is it unfair to my teammates if, as I pointed out, they conceded there was no chance of winning and they are playing on for fun? Why would my absence reduce their fun if they aren't playing to win at that point? Aren't my teammates in fact the ones being bad sports since my presence doesn't improve their experience but makes mine worse? Basically you are asking if two wrongs make a right. You can never control the actions of others, only what you do in response. Manner up. And fight till the bitter end.
Assuming not a ranked game, I really don't care. If it's a normal anyone who gives a shit about losing it needs to grow a pair. Normals are exclusively for trying new shit out and ironing out fundamentals. I don't get why so many people tryhard in normals and get pissy if someone on our team quits. Ranked exists for a reason. Basically, it's never come to a point for me where I just wanted to quit out of a game because if we start losing horribly I just start trolling unless I think we can actually come back. But if I ever got pissed off in a normal game (I wouldn't btw) then I would have no moral issues with leaving and telling my teammates to go fuck themselves.
Like I said though, I don't really tryhard at LoL and almost exclusively play normals. If I play ranked then sure, I'll give it my all and be pleasant. But the thing that bothers me the most about LoL is just how serious some people take normals games. Y'know, the games that mean absolutely nothing aside from IP (but anyone who wants to grind IP should be playing Dominion, not SR).
On November 30 2011 16:55 stink123 wrote:
Question: does the jungle change make Twisted Fate's passive worth considering now?
Also are gold/10 items more important on junglers now?
Just run jungle TF. It's pretty fun with new jungle plus masteries. Those ganks are too strong.
I think gold/10 is good if you start with Regrowth or Amp tome depending on jungler. Since most of the common junglers can easily start with either of those I think gold/10 makes a lot of sense in the current jungle. Although I'm not sure if you'll be able to gank very well.
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On November 30 2011 14:20 petered wrote:
So a question for the TL LoL crowd.
Here is the situation.
One player never connects. 20 minutes in and it is clear we have no chance to win. The other team sucks, though, and isn't finishing the game quickly. there is easily another 20 minutes til they finish us off.
I personally want to move on to another game. However, another teammate declares that this is his last game of the night, and he wants to play it all the way out. My team refuses the surrender.
I decide to leave the game, and my teammates let me know I am reported. My question is, is it wrong to leave in that situation?
In my mind, I only find the game fun if there is a chance of winning, so for me it makes sense to leave. My teammates say they still find it fun even when the eventual outcome is decided (not conjecture that is what they said). So by leaving, I don't waste my time on an unfun (for me) game and my teammates can still enjoy their game, since they don't mind playing an unwinnable game. So their fun isn't lessened and I don't have to waste 20 minutes on something not worth my time.
Thoughts? I am not worked up about the issue, just curious what people think.
the guy you were arguing with made it clear he was staying just to play so he has no reason to report you. but the other 2 on your team sound like they have a reason to be pissed
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listening to high level players banter is just so dumb, regi especially
regi: "yo dude yo yo yo dude yo let's stop trolling dude yo yo let's win this yo dude yo"
lapaka: "mum mum faggot let's kill these faggots muh muh duu it"
saintvicious: "oh my god are they baroning? oh my god haha they didn't baron they're such pussies" "we should baron come on let's do it" "these guys are so bad oh my god these guys are scrubs" "no way we can kill baron (less than 10 seconds after telling team to baron) he's too strong now oh my gaaaaaawd"
*blame blame blame faggot faggot we got this shit blame yo yo yo yo yo*
it's fucking mind-numbing
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Honestly everyone is so bad in comparison to them that's all they have to think during a game to win.
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man.. I think Riot opened up a new can of worms with this jungle change. I just did some jungle runs in custom games and I was able to make some decent clears with low tier junglers. Clears that were impossible before. The two notable ones were Poppy and Garen. The kicker was that I opened with vamp scepter and it was shockingly easy.
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wow. rofl. it didn't take long for them to say we fucked up
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The new jungle was pretty damn bad.
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Man, every server downtime is from 8pm-12 sydney time.
Frowney face. Now I can't complain about the new jungle like every one else!
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The jungle changes influence passivity not by making the jungler gank more. Guess what happens normally when a laner uses summoners offensivly or pushes the lane or even goes beyond the middle: the jungler shows up.
The changes aren´t supposed to stop ganks but to make repeated unsuccessful ganks cause the jungler to fall behind.
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On November 30 2011 17:48 gtrsrs wrote:
listening to high level players banter is just so dumb, regi especially
regi: "yo dude yo yo yo dude yo let's stop trolling dude yo yo let's win this yo dude yo"
lapaka: "mum mum faggot let's kill these faggots muh muh duu it"
saintvicious: "oh my god are they baroning? oh my god haha they didn't baron they're such pussies" "we should baron come on let's do it" "these guys are so bad oh my god these guys are scrubs" "no way we can kill baron (less than 10 seconds after telling team to baron) he's too strong now oh my gaaaaaawd"
*blame blame blame faggot faggot we got this shit blame yo yo yo yo yo*
it's fucking mind-numbing
It's really sad .. I love listening to high level teams from other games talk, you learn quite a bit. You really have to listen to stream talk for all the major teams for quite a long time to pick up good communication and stuff.. it's quite depressing really. And I don't mind dude bro talk, and cussing and whatever, but man are LoL pros overboard with all of it, especially blaming people for crap.
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I don't know about you but I won't even loggin in to try out this atrocity of a jungle till they hotfix that shit tomorrow lol.
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On November 30 2011 18:26 TheKefka wrote:
I don't know about you but I won't even loggin in to try out this atrocity of a jungle till they hotfix that shit tomorrow lol.
There's complaining, and then there's overreacting. It's like saying you won't play the game because one of the 20champs you play got nerfed.
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And so I do have 24 hours to play with this jungle on EU. GOGOGOGOGOGO, looks fun :D
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Yeah I think one of the points of the jungle changes is to make the jungler gank less and therefore make laning less passive. Someone mentioned this earlier, but it's basically impossible to play aggressive in lane without every path warded because jungle ganks are super OP. Having the primary ganking hero constantly missing while at the same time getting good gold/exp is pretty much the limiting factor on aggressive play from the other players in the game.
The problem with the changes riot made is that they made jungling even easier than it previously was (in terms of killing it, which was already super easy) so having the jungler be more passive like in hon is kind of bad because you can just auto-pilot the jungle. I doubt anyone wants junglers to be strong just from afk farming the jungle where as other heroes have to worry about being counterpicked, ganked, harassed etc...
Essentially riot might have identified one of the problems in their game but as we've seen in some of the threads on this forum already, theres more than just one problem that contributes to people playing passively, it has to do with the map, no denies, tower damage, junglers etc... Modifiying the jungle alone isn't going to fix anything and will just make the game worse for the short term (or long term considering how long it will take for riot to make all the necessary changes). They are probably better off just leaving the game how it was...because the changes needed basically involve making LoL 2.
If the only reason they did it was to make jungling accessable to level 1s etc then there are way better solutions.
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On November 30 2011 18:41 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 18:26 TheKefka wrote:
I don't know about you but I won't even loggin in to try out this atrocity of a jungle till they hotfix that shit tomorrow lol. There's complaining, and then there's overreacting. It's like saying you won't play the game because one of the 20champs you play got nerfed.
No because by running the jungle they fucked over 8 champions that I play lol.
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On November 30 2011 19:01 TheKefka wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 18:41 JackDino wrote:On November 30 2011 18:26 TheKefka wrote:
I don't know about you but I won't even loggin in to try out this atrocity of a jungle till they hotfix that shit tomorrow lol. There's complaining, and then there's overreacting. It's like saying you won't play the game because one of the 20champs you play got nerfed. No because by running the jungle they fucked over 8 champions that I play lol.
You can still jungle just fine, still farm, still gank and unless you play @ the highest of the highest lvls with the best laners ingame you won't be that far behind. The champions aren't unplayable they just get a little less farm.
Better comparison tho would be saying you won't play any AP champ anymore because blue buff got a minor nerf.
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i want to watch saints stream that ended ~1 hour ago but own3d.tv doesnt seem to have any kind of vod system? and if it does i cant find it. and not letting usernames be in the link makes shit hard to find as it is ;/ seems such a trash site compared to twitch.
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On November 30 2011 19:03 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 19:01 TheKefka wrote:On November 30 2011 18:41 JackDino wrote:On November 30 2011 18:26 TheKefka wrote:
I don't know about you but I won't even loggin in to try out this atrocity of a jungle till they hotfix that shit tomorrow lol. There's complaining, and then there's overreacting. It's like saying you won't play the game because one of the 20champs you play got nerfed. No because by running the jungle they fucked over 8 champions that I play lol. You can still jungle just fine, still farm, still gank and unless you play @ the highest of the highest lvls with the best laners ingame you won't be that far behind. The champions aren't unplayable they just get a little less farm. Better comparison tho would be saying you won't play any AP champ anymore because blue buff got a minor nerf.
Except that comparison sucks.
What if he mained junglers without AoE skills like GP and Trynd? They're severely fucked right now.
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On November 30 2011 19:03 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 19:01 TheKefka wrote:On November 30 2011 18:41 JackDino wrote:On November 30 2011 18:26 TheKefka wrote:
I don't know about you but I won't even loggin in to try out this atrocity of a jungle till they hotfix that shit tomorrow lol. There's complaining, and then there's overreacting. It's like saying you won't play the game because one of the 20champs you play got nerfed. No because by running the jungle they fucked over 8 champions that I play lol. You can still jungle just fine, still farm, still gank and unless you play @ the highest of the highest lvls with the best laners ingame you won't be that far behind. The champions aren't unplayable they just get a little less farm. Better comparison tho would be saying you won't play any AP champ anymore because blue buff got a minor nerf.
I don't know what to say man.Either you don't jungle and have no idea how it feels right now to mindlessly run around from camp to camp and being a lover lvl than a fucking soraka bot lane if you are not jungling with a phonix udyr/shyvana or skarner/rammus,or you don't see that big off a difference because you play against people that never jungled good in the first place.So basically 4-5 champions are viable to jungle right now.ROFL what the fuck man.
When was the last time you saw such a major backlash from,let's see,oh,EVERYONE lol?I got even a better point,when did you see the last time Riot decided to hotfix a major patch a DAY later after so much whining.
Even the pro's played like 1 game and just were:"This,is fucking awful."And its not even a matter of getting used to the change its just that everyone can see how stupid and nonsensical the change is.The camp respawn time is so dumb and you can't even take advantage of it on 90% of the junglers because you just spend half of your time running marathon laps around the map.
This jungle isn't efficient in the slightest and that's what the major problem with it is.
Oh and don't get me even started on counter jungling.
They basically destroyed one of the most exciting things you can do in this game.
So to sum it up.
They said the wanted to make the game more "active".
What they did is they turned the jungle into a inefficient farm fest,the bot lane was always a farm fest for the ad,top is a farm fest now because you aren't even scared anymore of a lvl 2 gank,because golem xp fucking sucks and you can just cv the guy doing blue and only thing we can do now is watching kassadin vs leblanch mid to see who is going to get oneshotted first.
No man,they didn't just fuck over the jungle,but every lane just became more boring which was exactly,oh the irony,what they wanted to prevent.
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