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[Patch 1.0.0.130: Volibear] General Discussion - Page 27

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rigwarl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States540 Posts
November 30 2011 02:47 GMT
#521
Riven was horrendous, there's a reason they buffed her stats and all FOUR of her abilities in a hotfix.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
November 30 2011 02:51 GMT
#522
After only two days? Surely she was all figured out by then.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-30 02:52:53
November 30 2011 02:52 GMT
#523
i thought she was pretty mad UP at release until I played her on friend's account and found wasn't that bad...

-.- i mean this friend still goes like 0-23 with gragas but carried me all day (~3 games) with riven
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 30 2011 02:52 GMT
#524
On November 30 2011 11:47 rigwarl wrote:
Riven was horrendous, there's a reason they buffed her stats and all FOUR of her abilities in a hotfix.

Release Riven was fine. She's pretty strong now, meaning she was probably about average when she came out.
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
November 30 2011 02:59 GMT
#525
On November 30 2011 11:52 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 11:47 rigwarl wrote:
Riven was horrendous, there's a reason they buffed her stats and all FOUR of her abilities in a hotfix.

Release Riven was fine. She's pretty strong now, meaning she was probably about average when she came out.


I wonder how many champions have been buffed because people complained about them being underpowered and then needed to be nerfed in league of legends history.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
November 30 2011 03:01 GMT
#526
On November 30 2011 11:59 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 11:52 TheYango wrote:
On November 30 2011 11:47 rigwarl wrote:
Riven was horrendous, there's a reason they buffed her stats and all FOUR of her abilities in a hotfix.

Release Riven was fine. She's pretty strong now, meaning she was probably about average when she came out.


I wonder how many champions have been buffed because people complained about them being underpowered and then needed to be nerfed in league of legends history.


Remember Kayle rework? That was fun.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
November 30 2011 03:05 GMT
#527
urgots W slow applying from auto attack is the dumbest fucking thing ive ever seen

did they ninja add that in this patch?
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barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
November 30 2011 03:05 GMT
#528
On November 30 2011 11:38 Two_DoWn wrote:
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On November 30 2011 11:33 57 Corvette wrote:
On November 30 2011 11:31 rigwarl wrote:
Are you trying to say that champ that was banned/picked like 95% of games at MLG is underpowered?


Release Yorick
-.-

Release yorick was op. Its just only blazeraid knew it. Then they buffed him. not 3 days later everyone realized they fucked up and they had to nerf it again.


yorick was decently strong, but really bottlenecked by his mana costs. then they reduced his mana costs and he went nuts
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
November 30 2011 03:06 GMT
#529
On November 30 2011 12:05 arb wrote:
urgots W slow applying from auto attack is the dumbest fucking thing ive ever seen

did they ninja add that in this patch?


that's been around since release....

that's the standard combo, that's why i laugh and call bullshit when ppl say 'just dodge the e'
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
November 30 2011 03:20 GMT
#530
sivir feels op. volibear looks op (i don't have him). that is what i've felt so far this patch lol.
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Flakes
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States3125 Posts
November 30 2011 03:26 GMT
#531
On November 30 2011 10:26 barbsq wrote:
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On November 30 2011 10:22 starfries wrote:
On November 30 2011 09:43 MoonBear wrote:
Re Red Buff: Spells that apply direct damage will apply red buff. SaintV Jungle Annie about to get even more terror. Confirmed.

direct damage spells meaning single target targeted nukes? do Morgana and Kennen skillshots apply it?


i think it's just point and click spells

I procced red off mundo cleaver, so I'd assume other (single target) skillshots work too.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17274 Posts
November 30 2011 03:29 GMT
#532
kit is pretty dumb

you shouldn't get a movement steroid on a fling nor free healing off a passive (nerfing sustain my ass)

It's pretty much run super fast > fling > aoe slow.
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
November 30 2011 03:32 GMT
#533
HAPPY BIRTHDAY DAENIUSZ!
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
November 30 2011 03:34 GMT
#534
On November 30 2011 11:38 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 11:33 57 Corvette wrote:
On November 30 2011 11:31 rigwarl wrote:
Are you trying to say that champ that was banned/picked like 95% of games at MLG is underpowered?


Release Yorick
-.-

Release yorick was op. Its just only blazeraid knew it. Then they buffed him. not 3 days later everyone realized they fucked up and they had to nerf it again.

Yeah wtf blaze called that about a month in advance and that was BEFORE they announced he was getting buffed.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
November 30 2011 03:35 GMT
#535
Baron only gives 200 gold now missed the patchnotes?
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CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
November 30 2011 03:41 GMT
#536
On November 30 2011 12:35 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Baron only gives 200 gold now missed the patchnotes?

wait the fuck? thats stupid...
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zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
November 30 2011 03:46 GMT
#537
On November 30 2011 12:29 Craton wrote:
kit is pretty dumb

you shouldn't get a movement steroid on a fling nor free healing off a passive (nerfing sustain my ass)

It's pretty much run super fast > fling > aoe slow.


Pretty much. So dumb.
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
November 30 2011 03:49 GMT
#538
On November 30 2011 10:49 turdburgler wrote:
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On November 30 2011 10:39 Phrost wrote:
On November 30 2011 10:32 Two_DoWn wrote:
On November 30 2011 10:30 Phrost wrote:
On November 30 2011 10:21 Juicyfruit wrote:
Wait.. so suppose that volibear has 1400 bonus health (warmogs), and he hits a 50% HP target with W, the resulting damage would be:

(290 + 280) * 1.5 = 855 damage?

physical damage yes. Keep in mind those numbers are also after he attacks 3 times, gets 3k gold, and then has to wait 18 seconds before doing it again

So basically your saying anyone who can farm decently well can do 855 damage by ~20 minutes. By building pure health.


Seems fair.


Garen's been doing a ton of damage with no items for years and nobody complained about that.


The thing with your example is it is extremely specific and the chances of it mattering are extremely slow.


If you're hitting a high hp target then getting them to 50% itself is a chore, and then chances are the 900 damage will kill them are slim to none anyway. If its a low hp target, chances are if they get to 50% hp they will be dead even if it only did 400 damage.

If you rush warmogs sure you can hit like a truck with 1 skill but you'll just basically bumble around the rest of the time.

your argument assumes is only 2 kinds of people, those with 2k hp and those with 5k

theres a whole range of hps to get at in between that, its not as simple as you either have a frozen mallet and stacked warmoggs or you dont.



Well the only reason to complain about a 900 damage nuke that is only 900 damage when you're at 50% hp is because a) your health is super low max health OR you have a lot of health and both the scaling and damage become significantly less scary.

This is 18 second cooldown, in LoL that might as well be an ultimate because it's basically an eternity.

Honestly I don't think his W's activate is any more scary than cho'gath's feast or garen's ult.

And in all honesty, I think takedown is a strong skiller overall, its attached to a much more mobile champion and has a much shorter cooldown.



I think one thing people failed to realize is that his Q is not decisive strike, the bonus speed is only when you've right clicked on a nearby enemy champion and its a huge boost (45%) for 4 seconds. You can't really expect to run away with that skill so you're committing to a fight once you're in one.
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Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
November 30 2011 03:52 GMT
#539
On November 30 2011 12:35 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Baron only gives 200 gold now missed the patchnotes?


It made it in there, "Jungle creep XP and Gold Values changed.."
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
November 30 2011 03:52 GMT
#540
On November 30 2011 12:49 Phrost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 10:49 turdburgler wrote:
On November 30 2011 10:39 Phrost wrote:
On November 30 2011 10:32 Two_DoWn wrote:
On November 30 2011 10:30 Phrost wrote:
On November 30 2011 10:21 Juicyfruit wrote:
Wait.. so suppose that volibear has 1400 bonus health (warmogs), and he hits a 50% HP target with W, the resulting damage would be:

(290 + 280) * 1.5 = 855 damage?

physical damage yes. Keep in mind those numbers are also after he attacks 3 times, gets 3k gold, and then has to wait 18 seconds before doing it again

So basically your saying anyone who can farm decently well can do 855 damage by ~20 minutes. By building pure health.


Seems fair.


Garen's been doing a ton of damage with no items for years and nobody complained about that.


The thing with your example is it is extremely specific and the chances of it mattering are extremely slow.


If you're hitting a high hp target then getting them to 50% itself is a chore, and then chances are the 900 damage will kill them are slim to none anyway. If its a low hp target, chances are if they get to 50% hp they will be dead even if it only did 400 damage.

If you rush warmogs sure you can hit like a truck with 1 skill but you'll just basically bumble around the rest of the time.

your argument assumes is only 2 kinds of people, those with 2k hp and those with 5k

theres a whole range of hps to get at in between that, its not as simple as you either have a frozen mallet and stacked warmoggs or you dont.



Well the only reason to complain about a 900 damage nuke that is only 900 damage when you're at 50% hp is because a) your health is super low max health OR you have a lot of health and both the scaling and damage become significantly less scary.

This is 18 second cooldown, in LoL that might as well be an ultimate because it's basically an eternity.

Honestly I don't think his W's activate is any more scary than cho'gath's feast or garen's ult.

And in all honesty, I think takedown is a strong skiller overall, its attached to a much more mobile champion and has a much shorter cooldown.



I think one thing people failed to realize is that his Q is not decisive strike, the bonus speed is only when you've right clicked on a nearby enemy champion and its a huge boost (45%) for 4 seconds. You can't really expect to run away with that skill so you're committing to a fight once you're in one.

Im sorry, but you DO realize you just compared a "w" skill with a decently low cd to TWO FUCKING ULTIMATES.

I mean, I dont necessarily think bearpig is op, but ffs phrost, at least THINK about what you are saying.
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