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On November 29 2011 04:15 TheKefka wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 04:08 sob3k wrote:
Why is maokai considered a strong champ? EArly he is pretty solid with his good snare and saplings hit pretty hard, but later in the game the saplings become laughably useless in all the games I've played and his DPS becomes like nothing...If it was just about the snare then I would always favor Ryze over him as Ryze has like 1/8 the CD and doesnt have to fly to the target and probably get killed. The ult is good but honestly its not THAT good...people just leave and teamfights arent nearly as compact in most higher level games. Because the only way to play a legit maokai is to jungle or,maybe in some cases,support. Either way Maokais job is to tank and he is one of the best initiators in the game imo,ganks are redic. The true value in maokai late game is too catch stray enemys while they are out of position with shurelya's-twisted advance-arcane smash and you pick apart their team piece by piece.Watch how TheOddOne played maokai at MLG.
While I agree with most of this, I don't quite see why you consider him jungle and support only, I lane solo top maokai all the time, and he can push his lane ridiculously well, and can trade farm if under constant jungle pressure no problem. Also, you can set up perfect ganks with youre jungler thanks to the root and knockup. With all that farm he can tank ridiculous amounts of damage, and has lots of utilty with his cc late game. The only real matchups I have problems with solo top, is Riven who is ridiculously strong anyways, and trynd.
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On November 29 2011 04:20 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 03:41 Terranasaur wrote:
I know the Jungle discussion was a few pages back, but I wanted to bring this up. Last night I created a new summoner and tried out the Jungle with Rammus. Maybe I forgot this, but it is literally impossible to Jungle a lvl 1 summoner. I started cloth+5 at blue taking Smite and HEAL, and DBC first. I started whacking the big blue golem. I would have died before I killed him if I didn't have the Heal summoner because the big blue golem greatly out DPS the healing from pots.
I haven't tried any other junglers out at lvl 1 but I imagine the results would be the same.
I think that anything that makes the jungle more accessible to lower level summoners will help the game and I'm looking forward to trying different opening items with the Moose. Vamp Scepter perhaps? ive only just started jungling and even with a full page of shitty armor runes you cant do big packs solo before like lvl 5 because you need to spend your entire mana bar and at lvl 1 its just impossible even with a pull. then i got like 4-5 more armor from better runes and now i can do blue ezpz. this is with rammus too. Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 03:46 Shiv. wrote:On November 29 2011 03:41 Terranasaur wrote:
I know the Jungle discussion was a few pages back, but I wanted to bring this up. Last night I created a new summoner and tried out the Jungle with Rammus. Maybe I forgot this, but it is literally impossible to Jungle a lvl 1 summoner. I started cloth+5 at blue taking Smite and HEAL, and DBC first. I started whacking the big blue golem. I would have died before I killed him if I didn't have the Heal summoner because the big blue golem greatly out DPS the healing from pots.
I haven't tried any other junglers out at lvl 1 but I imagine the results would be the same.
I think that anything that makes the jungle more accessible to lower level summoners will help the game and I'm looking forward to trying different opening items with the Moose. Vamp Scepter perhaps? Why would you ever NOT start cloth 5 pot with Rammus? It makes his first clear a LOT faster and safer than any other possible item combination, builds in something actually useful (depending on how you play him, Wriggle's or Randuin's) and makes countering early on possible. It's a suboptimal start for many junglers imo, but for Rammus, it's pretty legit. can i ask why randiuns is worth getting at all? heart of gold seems useless when maladreds/wriggles procs earn you gold faster because you kill faster. then when u get wriggles having a free ward constantly is basically free gold/5 anyway Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 04:09 Two_DoWn wrote:
Saint also been experimenting with dsheild stack in jungle.
And maokai works for TOO because people werent used to playing against him, and he was able to get fed and end the games at MLG quickly. pretty sure that was just on mundo for the health regen?
Everything on Randuin is perfect for Rammus.
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On November 29 2011 06:05 Ziken wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 04:15 TheKefka wrote:On November 29 2011 04:08 sob3k wrote:
Why is maokai considered a strong champ? EArly he is pretty solid with his good snare and saplings hit pretty hard, but later in the game the saplings become laughably useless in all the games I've played and his DPS becomes like nothing...If it was just about the snare then I would always favor Ryze over him as Ryze has like 1/8 the CD and doesnt have to fly to the target and probably get killed. The ult is good but honestly its not THAT good...people just leave and teamfights arent nearly as compact in most higher level games. Because the only way to play a legit maokai is to jungle or,maybe in some cases,support. Either way Maokais job is to tank and he is one of the best initiators in the game imo,ganks are redic. The true value in maokai late game is too catch stray enemys while they are out of position with shurelya's-twisted advance-arcane smash and you pick apart their team piece by piece.Watch how TheOddOne played maokai at MLG. While I agree with most of this, I don't quite see why you consider him jungle and support only, I lane solo top maokai all the time, and he can push his lane ridiculously well, and can trade farm if under constant jungle pressure no problem. Also, you can set up perfect ganks with youre jungler thanks to the root and knockup. With all that farm he can tank ridiculous amounts of damage, and has lots of utilty with his cc late game. The only real matchups I have problems with solo top, is Riven who is ridiculously strong anyways, and trynd.
Maokai is pretty damn good all around the place. I'm doing great mid with him.
His main "issue" imo is that he has less sustain than real sustainy champs, less burst than bursty champs and less in your face dps than "real bruisers" - however, he has some of all of that. And you can build him in so many cool ways. <3
RoA Triforce Atmas #1 terror build.
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yo bro lane maokai is beast
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On November 29 2011 06:04 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 16:49 LoCicero wrote:
Ugh, I think I might be done with this game. I just don't enjoy it anymore. Playing it is more frustrating than fun. I know I'm late to the party, but does anyone else here know games which are: a) Competetive b) Not SC2 c) Not as frustrating as LoL d) Based on decision making more than execution (aka not Quake Live) Seriously every single time I'm frustrated with LoL because of the whole "You're reliant on random dudes in solo Q" and try to find something different I feel stuck cause it doesn't seems as if there's much else out there. =( 5men premade is kinda what's keeping me with LoL.
Chess.
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On November 29 2011 06:13 spinesheath wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 06:04 r.Evo wrote:On November 28 2011 16:49 LoCicero wrote:
Ugh, I think I might be done with this game. I just don't enjoy it anymore. Playing it is more frustrating than fun. I know I'm late to the party, but does anyone else here know games which are: a) Competetive b) Not SC2 c) Not as frustrating as LoL d) Based on decision making more than execution (aka not Quake Live) Seriously every single time I'm frustrated with LoL because of the whole "You're reliant on random dudes in solo Q" and try to find something different I feel stuck cause it doesn't seems as if there's much else out there. =( 5men premade is kinda what's keeping me with LoL. Chess.
I think we all agree that Solo Q sucks, but I don't think I've found a game that is as much fun to play as a team as LoL. If you get things clicking man it is super satisfying. Maybe we can try to revitalize the TL community in-game and have more decent people to play with? I just don't see any other games around that have held my interest. I've pretty much put SC2 on the shelf until the expansion comes out and LoL is where I'm spending my time.
One thing I know for sure. Path of Exile was a huge let down.
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On November 29 2011 03:46 Shiv. wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 03:41 Terranasaur wrote:
I know the Jungle discussion was a few pages back, but I wanted to bring this up. Last night I created a new summoner and tried out the Jungle with Rammus. Maybe I forgot this, but it is literally impossible to Jungle a lvl 1 summoner. I started cloth+5 at blue taking Smite and HEAL, and DBC first. I started whacking the big blue golem. I would have died before I killed him if I didn't have the Heal summoner because the big blue golem greatly out DPS the healing from pots.
I haven't tried any other junglers out at lvl 1 but I imagine the results would be the same.
I think that anything that makes the jungle more accessible to lower level summoners will help the game and I'm looking forward to trying different opening items with the Moose. Vamp Scepter perhaps? Why would you ever NOT start cloth 5 pot with Rammus? It makes his first clear a LOT faster and safer than any other possible item combination, builds in something actually useful (depending on how you play him, Wriggle's or Randuin's) and makes countering early on possible. It's a suboptimal start for many junglers imo, but for Rammus, it's pretty legit.
Well for one, since Powerball multiplies Boots movespeed, being able to starts Boots on Rammus and threaten Boots ganks before level 4 is fucking disgusting.
On November 29 2011 06:04 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 16:49 LoCicero wrote:
Ugh, I think I might be done with this game. I just don't enjoy it anymore. Playing it is more frustrating than fun. I know I'm late to the party, but does anyone else here know games which are: a) Competetive b) Not SC2 c) Not as frustrating as LoL d) Based on decision making more than execution (aka not Quake Live) Seriously every single time I'm frustrated with LoL because of the whole "You're reliant on random dudes in solo Q" and try to find something different I feel stuck cause it doesn't seems as if there's much else out there. =( 5men premade is kinda what's keeping me with LoL.
Brood War?
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On November 29 2011 06:04 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 16:49 LoCicero wrote:
Ugh, I think I might be done with this game. I just don't enjoy it anymore. Playing it is more frustrating than fun. I know I'm late to the party, but does anyone else here know games which are: a) Competetive b) Not SC2 c) Not as frustrating as LoL d) Based on decision making more than execution (aka not Quake Live) Seriously every single time I'm frustrated with LoL because of the whole "You're reliant on random dudes in solo Q" and try to find something different I feel stuck cause it doesn't seems as if there's much else out there. =( 5men premade is kinda what's keeping me with LoL.
Isn't actually competitive and is seemingly simple at first (but has lots of minor details in the background and is stupidly grindy) but Dungeon Defenders is a very good distraction from LoL. I started playing it cause my laptop sucks and playing LoL at 5 FPS got old fast. Also it's only $15. It's a fun single player or co-op experience. It has PvP although it completely sucks. I still play LoL like every other day or so but Dungeon Defenders is pretty damn fun.
I like Maokai. I don't think he falls off that much late game to be honest it's just instead of doing damage he becomes a tanky nightmare. I'm sure you could still build him to do damage for late game though but it'd be at the cost of some of your tankiness.
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On November 29 2011 06:13 spinesheath wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 06:04 r.Evo wrote:On November 28 2011 16:49 LoCicero wrote:
Ugh, I think I might be done with this game. I just don't enjoy it anymore. Playing it is more frustrating than fun. I know I'm late to the party, but does anyone else here know games which are: a) Competetive b) Not SC2 c) Not as frustrating as LoL d) Based on decision making more than execution (aka not Quake Live) Seriously every single time I'm frustrated with LoL because of the whole "You're reliant on random dudes in solo Q" and try to find something different I feel stuck cause it doesn't seems as if there's much else out there. =( 5men premade is kinda what's keeping me with LoL. Chess.
Bridge (card game) is better than chess. And it has the team aspect.
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On November 29 2011 06:04 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 16:49 LoCicero wrote:
Ugh, I think I might be done with this game. I just don't enjoy it anymore. Playing it is more frustrating than fun. I know I'm late to the party, but does anyone else here know games which are: a) Competetive b) Not SC2 c) Not as frustrating as LoL d) Based on decision making more than execution (aka not Quake Live) Seriously every single time I'm frustrated with LoL because of the whole "You're reliant on random dudes in solo Q" and try to find something different I feel stuck cause it doesn't seems as if there's much else out there. =( 5men premade is kinda what's keeping me with LoL.
Guildwars!
Although it's kind of dead afaik, and people won't let you into their pug-teams unless you grind out a ton of games for achievements. But random arena is fun, especially for baddies like me.
That or just play skyrim or something until you get the urge to play LoL again.
Somewhat related: i wish i had aim so i could be halfway decent at quake. Timing armors and stuff is really cool and super satisfying.
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On November 29 2011 06:31 Awesomo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 06:04 r.Evo wrote:On November 28 2011 16:49 LoCicero wrote:
Ugh, I think I might be done with this game. I just don't enjoy it anymore. Playing it is more frustrating than fun. I know I'm late to the party, but does anyone else here know games which are: a) Competetive b) Not SC2 c) Not as frustrating as LoL d) Based on decision making more than execution (aka not Quake Live) Seriously every single time I'm frustrated with LoL because of the whole "You're reliant on random dudes in solo Q" and try to find something different I feel stuck cause it doesn't seems as if there's much else out there. =( 5men premade is kinda what's keeping me with LoL. Somewhat related: i wish i had aim so i could be halfway decent at quake. Timing armors and stuff is really cool and super satisfying.
You just have to grind out hundreds of hours is all. Quake Live is pretty fun and will make you better at every PC FPS if you're willing to put in the grind so that you can get good at aiming.
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On November 29 2011 06:20 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 03:46 Shiv. wrote:On November 29 2011 03:41 Terranasaur wrote:
I know the Jungle discussion was a few pages back, but I wanted to bring this up. Last night I created a new summoner and tried out the Jungle with Rammus. Maybe I forgot this, but it is literally impossible to Jungle a lvl 1 summoner. I started cloth+5 at blue taking Smite and HEAL, and DBC first. I started whacking the big blue golem. I would have died before I killed him if I didn't have the Heal summoner because the big blue golem greatly out DPS the healing from pots.
I haven't tried any other junglers out at lvl 1 but I imagine the results would be the same.
I think that anything that makes the jungle more accessible to lower level summoners will help the game and I'm looking forward to trying different opening items with the Moose. Vamp Scepter perhaps? Why would you ever NOT start cloth 5 pot with Rammus? It makes his first clear a LOT faster and safer than any other possible item combination, builds in something actually useful (depending on how you play him, Wriggle's or Randuin's) and makes countering early on possible. It's a suboptimal start for many junglers imo, but for Rammus, it's pretty legit. Well for one, since Powerball multiplies Boots movespeed, being able to starts Boots on Rammus and threaten Boots ganks before level 4 is fucking disgusting. Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 06:04 r.Evo wrote:On November 28 2011 16:49 LoCicero wrote:
Ugh, I think I might be done with this game. I just don't enjoy it anymore. Playing it is more frustrating than fun. I know I'm late to the party, but does anyone else here know games which are: a) Competetive b) Not SC2 c) Not as frustrating as LoL d) Based on decision making more than execution (aka not Quake Live) Seriously every single time I'm frustrated with LoL because of the whole "You're reliant on random dudes in solo Q" and try to find something different I feel stuck cause it doesn't seems as if there's much else out there. =( 5men premade is kinda what's keeping me with LoL. Brood War?
Well maybe BW in its infant stages but right now execution triumphs decision making in low-mid levels cause macro > most things usually.
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On November 29 2011 06:04 r.Evo wrote:
I know I'm late to the party, but does anyone else here know games which are:
a) Competetive
b) Not SC2
c) Not as frustrating as LoL
d) Based on decision making more than execution (aka not Quake Live)
Seriously every single time I'm frustrated with LoL because of the whole "You're reliant on random dudes in solo Q" and try to find something different I feel stuck cause it doesn't seems as if there's much else out there. =(
5men premade is kinda what's keeping me with LoL.
On November 29 2011 06:13 spinesheath wrote: Chess.
On November 29 2011 06:20 TheYango wrote: Brood War?
On November 29 2011 06:29 overt wrote: Dungeon Defenders
On November 29 2011 06:30 gerd1022 wrote: Bridge (card game)
On November 29 2011 06:31 Awesomo wrote: Guildwars!
Adding some of my personal favorites poker and Go to the pile.
Hard to find interesting competition for poker without spending money though (and it's difficult to spend money on online poker in America atm).
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Seriously, go play chess or go or something. It sounds like no real time game is for you.
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On November 29 2011 06:31 Awesomo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 06:04 r.Evo wrote:On November 28 2011 16:49 LoCicero wrote:
Ugh, I think I might be done with this game. I just don't enjoy it anymore. Playing it is more frustrating than fun. I know I'm late to the party, but does anyone else here know games which are: a) Competetive b) Not SC2 c) Not as frustrating as LoL d) Based on decision making more than execution (aka not Quake Live) Seriously every single time I'm frustrated with LoL because of the whole "You're reliant on random dudes in solo Q" and try to find something different I feel stuck cause it doesn't seems as if there's much else out there. =( 5men premade is kinda what's keeping me with LoL. Guildwars! Although it's kind of dead afaik, and people won't let you into their pug-teams unless you grind out a ton of games for achievements. But random arena is fun, especially for baddies like me. That or just play skyrim or something until you get the urge to play LoL again. Somewhat related: i wish i had aim so i could be halfway decent at quake. Timing armors and stuff is really cool and super satisfying.
Absolutely no point in starting to play Guild Wars anymore.
Was a great game, but by now, it incested itself into being just a group of top players cycling the same teams in the two competetive formats.
And random arena is no better that soloQ...
If you're not into FPS, then you'll be hard pressed to find a competetive game with a decent player base (other than the moba's and SC ofc)
€: not talking video-games, Go and Mahjong are actually really challenging and fun/strategic
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Has anyone's client just decided to stop working?
I don't know what happened but suddenly whenever I open the launcher it says "Pvp.net patcher has stopped working". It says theres an unhandled exception (its trying to read past end of file for some strange reason). It might be just be fucking something up with my computer since I was programming other stuff all weekend and accidentally broke something by accident but I doubt it.
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On November 29 2011 06:30 gerd1022 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 06:13 spinesheath wrote:On November 29 2011 06:04 r.Evo wrote:On November 28 2011 16:49 LoCicero wrote:
Ugh, I think I might be done with this game. I just don't enjoy it anymore. Playing it is more frustrating than fun. I know I'm late to the party, but does anyone else here know games which are: a) Competetive b) Not SC2 c) Not as frustrating as LoL d) Based on decision making more than execution (aka not Quake Live) Seriously every single time I'm frustrated with LoL because of the whole "You're reliant on random dudes in solo Q" and try to find something different I feel stuck cause it doesn't seems as if there's much else out there. =( 5men premade is kinda what's keeping me with LoL. Chess. Bridge (card game) is better than chess. And it has the team aspect.
Bridge is so fucking good. I hate that my whole generation still just thinks it's that game that little old ladies play on TV and in the Movies  .
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Read through the Sports and Games forum thread titles until something catches your eye. That's what I normally do when I'm bored and every game is better when you're playing with people from TL.
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On November 29 2011 06:53 dignity wrote:
Has anyone's client just decided to stop working?
I don't know what happened but suddenly whenever I open the launcher it says "Pvp.net patcher has stopped working". It says theres an unhandled exception (its trying to read past end of file for some strange reason). It might be just be fucking something up with my computer since I was programming other stuff all weekend and accidentally broke something by accident but I doubt it.
I had that once when my pc crashed while lol was updating.
Luckily I still had 2 clients from when you couldn't change server in the client, so it didn't matter to me, but I sure did not find any way to fix it.
Try reinstalling--
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On November 29 2011 06:48 LancerJ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 06:04 r.Evo wrote:
I know I'm late to the party, but does anyone else here know games which are:
a) Competetive
b) Not SC2
c) Not as frustrating as LoL
d) Based on decision making more than execution (aka not Quake Live)
Seriously every single time I'm frustrated with LoL because of the whole "You're reliant on random dudes in solo Q" and try to find something different I feel stuck cause it doesn't seems as if there's much else out there. =(
5men premade is kinda what's keeping me with LoL. Adding some of my personal favorites poker and Go to the pile. Hard to find interesting competition for poker without spending money though (and it's difficult to spend money on online poker in America atm).
I already make my money by playing poker. =P
Go is awesome though.
Dno, I loved BW so much. Kinda feel like no "modern" game can keep up with it. /bitter vet mode off.
PS: Chess and Go are games with full information though, so they're not as cool as let's say LoL/Poker/Starcraft.
Gizmo, I have fuck no clue about Bridge. I know that it's a game with cards. That's it. Where do I start? =P
Edit: I actually think I'll look into Mahjong, too. Wanted to do that ever since that Anime erh... Akagi.
TL never disappoints. Cheers guys. <3
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