EPT[Patch 1.0.0.129: Fizz] General Discussion - Page 150
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Norada
China482 Posts
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
Last night, after a ~40 minute drafting phase, in their second scrim they then proceeded to surrender the game at 8 minutes after making some bad calls early on and being in a position where they were losing every lane. CLG then proceeded to not want to re-scrim. I can't blame them. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On November 28 2011 22:29 sylverfyre wrote: Does anyone else find it ridiculous that TSM insists on doing scrim drafting in chat, which proceeds to consistently take >30 minutes to do it, because they "want time to talk about the picks"? The tournament draft mode gives 2 minutes per choice or so, if the full time is taken for each step that's still almost 30 minutes (24). Last night, after a ~40 minute drafting phase, in their second scrim they then proceeded to surrender the game at 8 minutes after making some bad calls early on and being in a position where they were losing every lane. CLG then proceeded to not want to re-scrim. I can't blame them. There are good reasons for discussing picks without time constraints in a practice setting (but you also need to practice with time constraints). But if the other team doesn't want to spend that much time on picks and would rather just practice in game stuff, it's perfectly reasonable to dodge. Basically TSM and CLG focus on practicing different things that don't go well together. Not a big deal. | ||
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Shiv.
3534 Posts
Went 7-3 in placement matches, got a bit unlucky for once (played a 22-7-11 brand and lost because our idiot Shaco decided to initiate 3v5, what followed was a 60 second push to win by the enemy team), played preeeetty badly twice, but overall, I'm satisfied. Ranked is really a utterly different experience than normals, and much more fun for me right now. It's only been 10 matches, but I enjoyed it so far. Eh, yeah, I know probably nobody gives a damn, I just felt the sudden urge to share my newly acquired rating  | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On November 28 2011 19:40 Parnage wrote: Having the silence of doom on soraka can be hilariously amusing. Random Skarner Flash suddenly silenced to drag someone nowhere because he can't cast while we make an escape. silence on leaping junglers, fiddle ults, nunu ults, all around making people hate you because you stopped the spell they wanted to use. On a side note, who wants to take bet's on Wit's End being nerfed somehow because of it's recent popularity on junglers and some top lanes? It probably should be. Wit's End is such a cost effective item that it doesn't make sense. As a single damage item, it's probably the best in the game unless you can make use of the more expensive triforce well. | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
On November 28 2011 22:29 sylverfyre wrote: Does anyone else find it ridiculous that TSM insists on doing scrim drafting in chat, which proceeds to consistently take >30 minutes to do it, because they "want time to talk about the picks"? The tournament draft mode gives 2 minutes per choice or so, if the full time is taken for each step that's still almost 30 minutes (24). Last night, after a ~40 minute drafting phase, in their second scrim they then proceeded to surrender the game at 8 minutes after making some bad calls early on and being in a position where they were losing every lane. CLG then proceeded to not want to re-scrim. I can't blame them. That's normal though for scrims. Scrims are for practicing, and often it's good practice to simply talk with your teammates and go over what you think is a good pick. It's good to allow the whole team to comment on picks and discuss it. In tournament settings it's completely different, because the teams generally set up specific team comps beforehand and plan for a lot of likely matchups so the smaller time frame to pick isn't as hurtful. You even hear them say stuff like "yeah we were planning on karthus in our team comp but the enemy snatched him so we had to deal with that mess up." That kind of thing happens because they had a set team comp they were going to run (you can switch out a few champs that do similar roles based on lane matchups, obviously) but they may not have been able to get everything they wanted because of bans/enemy taking their pick. | ||
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dnastyx
United States2707 Posts
The point is to practice. Unlike picking Terran/Protoss/Zerg, you want to spend time practicing drafting in a competitive setting as well. | ||
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
On November 29 2011 00:42 dnastyx wrote: It's a scrim. The point is to practice. Unlike picking Terran/Protoss/Zerg, you want to spend time practicing drafting in a competitive setting as well. True, but they're not practicing drafting in a competitive setting by doing 40 minute drafts. They need to use the time limits if they want it to be "in a competitive setting". Talking about what setups they want to run against certain kinds of setups is something they can do without a team on the other side waiting. | ||
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unichan
United States4223 Posts
On November 28 2011 18:51 Noocta wrote: There's so much discussions about teams and players here, nobody discuss champions and the game itself anymore.  This is why we need a separate thread for dat shit lol. Plenty of people don't want to wade through discussion about drama to talk about the actual game, and conversely, people don't want to wade through discussion about their game to talk about drama. Unfortunately you guys went crazy having moral discussions or whatever the fuck that was, and got it closed. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On November 28 2011 21:30 Flakes wrote: She's still a great soft counter to karthus/fiddle, and I think running soraka bot with heavy mana-users instead of the usual AD is still under-explored (or forgotten, depending on how long you've been playing). You make it sound like ranged AD heroes don't need mana  I pick Soraka over Sona all the time. Cross map gank assist is unbelievable when you're trying to exert map control as a support hero. I dunno, a lot of it probably has to do with my familiarity (PGB also appears to favor Soraka still) with her; she still feels like a ridiculously broken hero and is unbelievably consistent. | ||
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
The only one that doesn't really benefit from mana is Cait. Edit: Ashe doesn't either, in retrospect. Also Soraka's mana restore is kinda weak especially if you run WEWQW anyways. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23430 Posts
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unichan
United States4223 Posts
On November 29 2011 01:14 Slayer91 wrote: Do you really find starcall that useful against double range lanes? You can just go WEWEE or WEWEW if you want. yep usually lanes not that bad that you need wewqw anyways, can go wewqe | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
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Divine-Sneaker
Denmark1225 Posts
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On November 29 2011 01:12 Southlight wrote: Vayne guzzles mana like crazy, lol. You have to keep tumbling toward the enemy if they harass you, and being able to spam Condemn + tumble allows her to win lanes. The only one that doesn't really benefit from mana is Cait. Edit: Ashe doesn't either, in retrospect. Also Soraka's mana restore is kinda weak especially if you run WEWQW anyways. Ashe can make good use of some extra mana, especially at lvl 6-10 or so. On November 29 2011 01:16 Divine-Sneaker wrote: On the discussion of ping. Noone can ever come to me and tell me there's no noticable difference between the 40 ping I can get normally and a 170-200 ping if the servers are fucked up. Try playing ezreal properly with ping. It's utterly impossible to do well unless you're playing retards. Obviously there is a huge difference if you're used to 40 and suddenly have to play with 200. But if you're used to 200, it's still playable in most situations. TF and Alistar are the champs that can tolerate high ping the least, from my experience. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On November 29 2011 01:16 Divine-Sneaker wrote: On the discussion of ping. Noone can ever come to me and tell me there's no noticable difference between the 40 ping I can get normally and a 170-200 ping if the servers are fucked up. Try playing ezreal properly with ping. It's utterly impossible to do well unless you're playing retards. Pretty sure no one said that there wasn't a difference, just that it's not impossible lol. Steady high ping isn't as bad as lower spiking ping. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On November 29 2011 01:01 unichan wrote: This is why we need a separate thread for dat shit lol. Plenty of people don't want to wade through discussion about drama to talk about the actual game, and conversely, people don't want to wade through discussion about their game to talk about drama. Unfortunately you guys went crazy having moral discussions or whatever the fuck that was, and got it closed. Yeah, a certain someone *COUGHLOAECOUGH* ruined that one for us. As for time restraints on the drafting, I think for a team like TSM, which practices a lot, they can afford long drafts just so they can try different things. On the other hand, I know when we (TL B) do scrims, we take WAY too long to make a decision, and it's frustrating. Then, when we have to actually do the timed draft, we often get screwed because we're not used to making the decisions fast enough. Speaking of which, we need to start playing again/more. Been itching for some arranged. | ||
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