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On November 28 2011 14:50 Chairman Ray wrote:
How do you choose which support to take? I play support on my team, and although we win bot most the time, I feel I can do better if I know how to pick the ideal support to complement the carry and counter the enemy duo as well. So how do you pick which support is the best to take?
aggressive: taric, alistar > sona, janna
passive: soraka > sona > janna
a passive lane is one where u know u would be facing a hard bot lane and u just want to farm. champs like ashe usually take a passive support.
an aggressive lane is one where u plan to go ham on some hoes. champs like trist you would want to pair with an aggresive support.
you also have to look at your jungler - is he going to be ganking your lane a lot? if so, you probably want an agg support. junglers apparently hate soraka or something. more cc is better. sona doesn't have a lot of cc, but she does more damage. janna has a ton of cc but not the best damage. however she buffs damage. alistar umm i don't play him that much but his cc is godly if done right and his damage is OK. taric has a never miss stun and he has good damage. soraka has a silence lol, tbh it's pretty good cause it prevents flashes but its not a hard cc like other champs have, and it does shit for damage.
one of my favorite combos is mf + taric, they're both great early game champs for example and MF does shit loads of damage early and taric complements that well with his w. i like to put janna with champs that have dmg scaling abilities like ez, but janna is the only one here with no heal so your AD has to be the kind that can stay out of trouble well. classic combo is cait + taric for great brush control, this is kinda nerfed though and people don't really get trapped + stunned + trapped anymore ever.
damage (by support): sona > taric > alistar, janna > soraka
here's an example of which supports i like best with which AD, but any of them are fine tbh and idk rly for alistar cuz i dont play him, he's the one that actually takes some skill out of the 5 normally played supports and i don't hav skill sry. and of course it depends on your AD's play style too, i like janna with ez but sometimes that's not a good idea bcuz his aa range is short i guess, i duno lol. but if he's taking a lot of hits then maybe your ez was not made for your janna.
ashe : soraka
cait : taric
corki : taric
ezreal : janna, sona, taric
graves : sona
mf : taric 
trist : ali, taric
vayne : taric
ofc you want to take into account your team comp and the enemy team comp. enemy has heavy aoe? janna is best. don't pick soraka vs aoe, or if your team has low cc. you have a aoe team comp? pick sona duhh. early game team comp? alistar, taric are good. would janna work really well with one of your bruiser guys? there's a lot of shit to consider, but i usually don't care and pick janna because imo she's the easiest support to play. best late game support is janna, followed by soraka and sona, then taric and ali.
also if you're going to say something gay like soraka can level q and do shit so she can be aggressive too! stfu i meant how she's play normally, which is level heal and infuse and heal and infuse bitches ^_^
ps im dumb lol~
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Soraka's incredibly good for aggression, lol.
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She's also the best for passive, and I'd take a support with more CC over Soraka for aggression in most situations
I'm not saying you play passive soraka 100% of the time
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It's more that she outsustains so hard that your lanemate can go balls aggressive and you'll grind them down :>
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Sorry that's advanced tactics I'm just a little kid ok 
Let me rephrase, aggressive is more of how much your support will be touching the other champ's butthole, or what your jungler would rather see when he is coming around to touch the other champ's butthole
okay
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its kinda funny, but i think soraka has one of the highest dps outputs of all of the supports due to starcall. u pretty much have to pick one or the other tho, and 99 times out of 100 u want sustain.
tbh tho, i think passive and aggressive are dictated far more by the AD champ's choice and the AD player's style than the support's. I think cow may be the only exception as he is pretty damn aggressive, but u can still be fairly successful using cow strictly passively.
that said, i still do counterpick with supports, its just that i counterpick supports vs their teamcomp as a whole. I see flash initiator/aoe ppl, i pick janna. I see bruisers that are hard to deal with, i pick sona. I see they have a sustain/kite comp going on, i pick soraka, that kind of thing.
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wow didn't expect to get many replies. Thanks for the tips, was quite helpful
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Ugh, I think I might be done with this game. I just don't enjoy it anymore. Playing it is more frustrating than fun.
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On November 28 2011 16:22 barbsq wrote:
its kinda funny, but i think soraka has one of the highest dps outputs of all of the supports due to starcall. u pretty much have to pick one or the other tho, and 99 times out of 100 u want sustain.
tbh tho, i think passive and aggressive are dictated far more by the AD champ's choice and the AD player's style than the support's. I think cow may be the only exception as he is pretty damn aggressive, but u can still be fairly successful using cow strictly passively.
that said, i still do counterpick with supports, its just that i counterpick supports vs their teamcomp as a whole. I see flash initiator/aoe ppl, i pick janna. I see bruisers that are hard to deal with, i pick sona. I see they have a sustain/kite comp going on, i pick soraka, that kind of thing.
I always pick Soraka unless she gets banned or pick before me; the only reason why I trying to learn another hero is because I can't always rely on getting her so I need SOME sort of fall-back plan.
Incidentally I normally do Tome+ward opening for fast Pick and go W E W Q W R.
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On November 28 2011 16:49 LoCicero wrote:
Ugh, I think I might be done with this game. I just don't enjoy it anymore. Playing it is more frustrating than fun.
Take a break. If it isnt fun, dont play it. You will either miss it and come back or you wont.
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Rejoice, men: only one more day of free week Vayne on your team feeding the enemy's AD!
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On November 28 2011 16:49 LoCicero wrote:
Ugh, I think I might be done with this game. I just don't enjoy it anymore. Playing it is more frustrating than fun.
I took a 3-month break last November, and then again this Spring, followed by like a one-month no-SR streak after Dom came out. May or may not rekindle your fire :>
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On November 28 2011 16:59 Southlight wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 16:22 barbsq wrote:
its kinda funny, but i think soraka has one of the highest dps outputs of all of the supports due to starcall. u pretty much have to pick one or the other tho, and 99 times out of 100 u want sustain.
tbh tho, i think passive and aggressive are dictated far more by the AD champ's choice and the AD player's style than the support's. I think cow may be the only exception as he is pretty damn aggressive, but u can still be fairly successful using cow strictly passively.
that said, i still do counterpick with supports, its just that i counterpick supports vs their teamcomp as a whole. I see flash initiator/aoe ppl, i pick janna. I see bruisers that are hard to deal with, i pick sona. I see they have a sustain/kite comp going on, i pick soraka, that kind of thing. I always pick Soraka unless she gets banned or pick before me; the only reason why I trying to learn another hero is because I can't always rely on getting her so I need SOME sort of fall-back plan. Incidentally I normally do Tome+ward opening for fast Pick and go W E W Q W R.
the only times i have trouble with soraka is assassins and ppl who just stick to your carry. I feel like i cant really do anything to keep them off, it seems like every time akali or talon or xin charge at you, u just cant keep them away. Similar problem with mass aoe comps. Dunno, soraka has just never seemed like a perfect pick 100% of the time. Certainly all supports function in pretty much all situations, it's just i've felt some games where soraka just wasn't the right pick.
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I often take frequent breaks, usually because I'm playing other things and just don't get time to play LoL. I also don't mass games like some people do, spending 10 hours playing straight would be difficult for anyone especially if they are losing because of idiots. Sometimes I just get on and play against bots for my free 150ip.
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On November 28 2011 17:30 barbsq wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 16:59 Southlight wrote:On November 28 2011 16:22 barbsq wrote:
its kinda funny, but i think soraka has one of the highest dps outputs of all of the supports due to starcall. u pretty much have to pick one or the other tho, and 99 times out of 100 u want sustain.
tbh tho, i think passive and aggressive are dictated far more by the AD champ's choice and the AD player's style than the support's. I think cow may be the only exception as he is pretty damn aggressive, but u can still be fairly successful using cow strictly passively.
that said, i still do counterpick with supports, its just that i counterpick supports vs their teamcomp as a whole. I see flash initiator/aoe ppl, i pick janna. I see bruisers that are hard to deal with, i pick sona. I see they have a sustain/kite comp going on, i pick soraka, that kind of thing. I always pick Soraka unless she gets banned or pick before me; the only reason why I trying to learn another hero is because I can't always rely on getting her so I need SOME sort of fall-back plan. Incidentally I normally do Tome+ward opening for fast Pick and go W E W Q W R. the only times i have trouble with soraka is assassins and ppl who just stick to your carry. I feel like i cant really do anything to keep them off, it seems like every time akali or talon or xin charge at you, u just cant keep them away. Similar problem with mass aoe comps. Dunno, soraka has just never seemed like a perfect pick 100% of the time. Certainly all supports function in pretty much all situations, it's just i've felt some games where soraka just wasn't the right pick.
o_O I just W the carry when they're about to strike and then E them. If Akali/Talon actually can kill your carry then a lot else has gone wrong with the game, lol.
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The reason why _I_ hate assassins with jumps is because a lot of times it's fucking impossible to figure out if they're just trying to bait out my heal to kill ME
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On November 28 2011 17:30 barbsq wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 16:59 Southlight wrote:On November 28 2011 16:22 barbsq wrote:
its kinda funny, but i think soraka has one of the highest dps outputs of all of the supports due to starcall. u pretty much have to pick one or the other tho, and 99 times out of 100 u want sustain.
tbh tho, i think passive and aggressive are dictated far more by the AD champ's choice and the AD player's style than the support's. I think cow may be the only exception as he is pretty damn aggressive, but u can still be fairly successful using cow strictly passively.
that said, i still do counterpick with supports, its just that i counterpick supports vs their teamcomp as a whole. I see flash initiator/aoe ppl, i pick janna. I see bruisers that are hard to deal with, i pick sona. I see they have a sustain/kite comp going on, i pick soraka, that kind of thing. I always pick Soraka unless she gets banned or pick before me; the only reason why I trying to learn another hero is because I can't always rely on getting her so I need SOME sort of fall-back plan. Incidentally I normally do Tome+ward opening for fast Pick and go W E W Q W R. the only times i have trouble with soraka is assassins and ppl who just stick to your carry. I feel like i cant really do anything to keep them off, it seems like every time akali or talon or xin charge at you, u just cant keep them away. Similar problem with mass aoe comps. Dunno, soraka has just never seemed like a perfect pick 100% of the time. Certainly all supports function in pretty much all situations, it's just i've felt some games where soraka just wasn't the right pick.
I feel like Soraka is picked so much because she's like the never lose support. Super-duper infinite sustain = farm all day. Soraka/Sona are the first support picked because people are afraid if they pick an aggressive/early game bottom lane they will just get countered by sustain.
Then after Soraka/Sona is picked, the other team is forced to either decide to gamble that they can burst hard enough to nullify the sustain or simply take the other sustain support so they don't auto-lose lane. Then they heal at each other and always farm never die/ always ward never get ganked.
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I don't know if what I typed made sense but it makes sense in my head. Damn it's late I should sleep.
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On November 28 2011 17:39 Lancer723 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 17:30 barbsq wrote:On November 28 2011 16:59 Southlight wrote:On November 28 2011 16:22 barbsq wrote:
its kinda funny, but i think soraka has one of the highest dps outputs of all of the supports due to starcall. u pretty much have to pick one or the other tho, and 99 times out of 100 u want sustain.
tbh tho, i think passive and aggressive are dictated far more by the AD champ's choice and the AD player's style than the support's. I think cow may be the only exception as he is pretty damn aggressive, but u can still be fairly successful using cow strictly passively.
that said, i still do counterpick with supports, its just that i counterpick supports vs their teamcomp as a whole. I see flash initiator/aoe ppl, i pick janna. I see bruisers that are hard to deal with, i pick sona. I see they have a sustain/kite comp going on, i pick soraka, that kind of thing. I always pick Soraka unless she gets banned or pick before me; the only reason why I trying to learn another hero is because I can't always rely on getting her so I need SOME sort of fall-back plan. Incidentally I normally do Tome+ward opening for fast Pick and go W E W Q W R. the only times i have trouble with soraka is assassins and ppl who just stick to your carry. I feel like i cant really do anything to keep them off, it seems like every time akali or talon or xin charge at you, u just cant keep them away. Similar problem with mass aoe comps. Dunno, soraka has just never seemed like a perfect pick 100% of the time. Certainly all supports function in pretty much all situations, it's just i've felt some games where soraka just wasn't the right pick. I feel like Soraka is picked so much because she's like the never lose support. Super-duper infinite sustain = farm all day. Soraka/Sona are the first support picked because people are afraid if they pick an aggressive/early game bottom lane they will just get countered by sustain. Then after Soraka/Sona is picked, the other team is forced to either decide to gamble that they can burst hard enough to nullify the sustain or simply take the other sustain support so they don't auto-lose lane. Then they heal at each other and always farm never die/ always ward never get ganked. ..... I don't know if what I typed made sense but it makes sense in my head. Damn it's late I should sleep.
i agree that soraka is a very strong support pick. just referring to a 1 in 50 kind of case. actually now that i think about it, the only times i've ever thought badly about a soraka pick is in a few tourney games, never really in solo queue
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Soraka No damage, stupid horn, not viable at all.
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mordekaiser best support, always support never die
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