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Want to rage about your latest loss?
Use the QQ thread.
If you whine in GD, you'll get warned.
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
November 28 2011 09:51 GMT
#2961
There's so much discussions about teams and players here, nobody discuss champions and the game itself anymore.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
November 28 2011 10:09 GMT
#2962
Why discuss champions when you can discuss things like chauster and missy e-dating, never met in person while living 1hour away from eachother.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
DrKlingmann
Profile Joined December 2010
Poland356 Posts
November 28 2011 10:10 GMT
#2963
I wouldn't say we have teams and players discussion here..
Range of interest is simplified to just few teams and players.
Mostly CLG and TSM.. which I find utterly boring.
--- EUNE Jarpen ---
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
November 28 2011 10:11 GMT
#2964
Yeah, I'd like to hear more about the SK drama :o
The legend of Darien lives on
shinarit
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary900 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-28 10:25:36
November 28 2011 10:25 GMT
#2965
Guys, you know that Soraka is not really a good healer anymore, right? Not better than Sona. The fact is, you dont HAVE TO play agressive with Sona, its just so tempting. But if you level her W and only use mana for heals, she outheals Soraka. Its long over that Soraka was the best healer my poor horned girl
Im trying to think of one reason to pick Soraka over Sona, but i cant find any. Only if the other side picks Sona in draft and you want sustain, any other case is obviously Sona.

I think we would need a scaling on her passive, because 16 MR is not much lategame.
T for BoxeR, Z for IdrA, P because i have no self-respect
R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
November 28 2011 10:27 GMT
#2966
Soraka can burst heal far more than Sona can late game. One of them is global too.
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shinarit
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary900 Posts
November 28 2011 10:28 GMT
#2967
On November 28 2011 19:27 R04R wrote:
Soraka can burst heal far more than Sona can late game. One of them is global too.


Ok, i was talking about laning phase sustain, ofc.
T for BoxeR, Z for IdrA, P because i have no self-respect
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
November 28 2011 10:29 GMT
#2968
125 armor + can also give mana in lane is not something to laugh about.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-28 10:41:29
November 28 2011 10:40 GMT
#2969
Having the silence of doom on soraka can be hilariously amusing. Random Skarner Flash suddenly silenced to drag someone nowhere because he can't cast while we make an escape. silence on leaping junglers, fiddle ults, nunu ults, all around making people hate you because you stopped the spell they wanted to use.


On a side note, who wants to take bet's on Wit's End being nerfed somehow because of it's recent popularity on junglers and some top lanes?
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
November 28 2011 10:42 GMT
#2970
On November 28 2011 19:25 shinarit wrote:
Guys, you know that Soraka is not really a good healer anymore, right? Not better than Sona. The fact is, you dont HAVE TO play agressive with Sona, its just so tempting. But if you level her W and only use mana for heals, she outheals Soraka. Its long over that Soraka was the best healer my poor horned girl
Im trying to think of one reason to pick Soraka over Sona, but i cant find any. Only if the other side picks Sona in draft and you want sustain, any other case is obviously Sona.

I think we would need a scaling on her passive, because 16 MR is not much lategame.

How about being able to silence in a taric lane/silence ganks, sona can't do that. Have rammus roll at you and silence him before he can taunt etc. Just an example.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
November 28 2011 10:50 GMT
#2971
On November 28 2011 19:25 shinarit wrote:
I think we would need a scaling on her passive, because 16 MR is not much lategame.

I don't think you thought that through.
Earlygame, Soraka's passive grants 2x16 MR, worth ~500 gold. As the game goes on, fights involve more players. Up to the point where Soraka's passive grants 5x16 MR, worth ~1200 gold.
Add a lvl scaling on top of that and it becomes ridiculous.

Just like people claiming that Aegis is useless lategame... That's nonsense.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Hynda
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden2226 Posts
November 28 2011 10:54 GMT
#2972
On November 28 2011 19:25 shinarit wrote:
Guys, you know that Soraka is not really a good healer anymore, right? Not better than Sona. The fact is, you dont HAVE TO play agressive with Sona, its just so tempting. But if you level her W and only use mana for heals, she outheals Soraka. Its long over that Soraka was the best healer my poor horned girl
Im trying to think of one reason to pick Soraka over Sona, but i cant find any. Only if the other side picks Sona in draft and you want sustain, any other case is obviously Sona.

I think we would need a scaling on her passive, because 16 MR is not much lategame.

Yes she is, as a healer she is much much better than sona.
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
November 28 2011 10:54 GMT
#2973
On November 28 2011 19:29 BlackPaladin wrote:
125 armor + can also give mana in lane is not something to laugh about.


this. sona is better off leveling q as it provides much better lane control, otherwise she literally is just a shitty vers of soraka that cannot provide mana (unless you get mana manip lvl 1 which is just.... uncommon i guess i'll say). It's like maxing heal first on cow. I mean yeah, you could do it, and it would probably provide pretty decent sustain too, but that's not really the reason u got cow is it?
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
Firesilver
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom1190 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-28 11:17:06
November 28 2011 11:16 GMT
#2974
On November 28 2011 03:57 spinesheath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2011 03:46 Shiv. wrote:
On November 28 2011 03:41 Firesilver wrote:
On November 28 2011 03:22 DoXa wrote:
On November 28 2011 03:20 Alaric wrote:
I've got a 20 minutes queue atm. Pretty much like yesterday evening, server had problems for about 15 minutes.


yeah, over 20000 in queue, FML. i'm done with playing today... they need to get their shit together and fix these EUW server problems.


Yup, that's why I changed to NA, the downtimes can be annoying sometimes for the GMT time-zone but no queues ftw.

200 ping os not really bearable though.

200 ping is doable for many champs for the "bottom" 99.9% of players. I play at 200+ ping on US all the time. Literally all the time. A bit more and it become really bad though.


Same, I do agree it can be annoying at the start but you get used to it but it's not that much of a problem really.
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JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
November 28 2011 11:19 GMT
#2975
As long as your latency is steady it's not that bad, just requires you to adjust a little. I know a guy who plays with like ~350 ms all the time but he manages to hit ashe ults and does fairly well.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
November 28 2011 11:24 GMT
#2976
I noticed a difference when higher elo guys dodge skillshots much more easily due to latency. At most levels I agree it doesn't make much of a difference though.
HS: cascades#1595 || LoL: stoppin
freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
November 28 2011 11:30 GMT
#2977
On November 28 2011 17:12 Ferrose wrote:
Rejoice, men: only one more day of free week Vayne on your team feeding the enemy's AD!


I haven't bought champions for a while, then I bought Vayne last week and then she was free next week

I forgot the rule
And all is illuminated.
zalz
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Netherlands3704 Posts
November 28 2011 11:52 GMT
#2978
On November 28 2011 19:25 shinarit wrote:
Guys, you know that Soraka is not really a good healer anymore, right? Not better than Sona. The fact is, you dont HAVE TO play agressive with Sona, its just so tempting. But if you level her W and only use mana for heals, she outheals Soraka. Its long over that Soraka was the best healer my poor horned girl
Im trying to think of one reason to pick Soraka over Sona, but i cant find any. Only if the other side picks Sona in draft and you want sustain, any other case is obviously Sona.

I think we would need a scaling on her passive, because 16 MR is not much lategame.


Soraka mid = legit


Seriously, she is borderline broken against most mid lane settups.
Flakes
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States3125 Posts
November 28 2011 12:30 GMT
#2979
On November 28 2011 19:25 shinarit wrote:
Im trying to think of one reason to pick Soraka over Sona, but i cant find any. Only if the other side picks Sona in draft and you want sustain, any other case is obviously Sona.

She's still a great soft counter to karthus/fiddle, and I think running soraka bot with heavy mana-users instead of the usual AD is still under-explored (or forgotten, depending on how long you've been playing).
Mondieu
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania803 Posts
November 28 2011 12:40 GMT
#2980
Soraka / Graves abusive ? If yes I think I might play it tonight with friends. Or is the buck shot nerf too much ?
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