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[Patch 1.0.0.128: Shyvana] General Discussion - Page 8

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- Neo, 9:49 KST, Nov 9th
shinarit
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary900 Posts
November 01 2011 14:55 GMT
#141
I was thinking about support heroes, and especially healing. We have the ultimate healer, Soraka. What else would do nicely with similar effect? Health transfer. When you lose X health, and the target ally gets X (+0.3 AP or something). Some nice CC skills like Janna + a passive which increases your health from something (ap maybe), and we have a new support.
T for BoxeR, Z for IdrA, P because i have no self-respect
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-01 14:56:38
November 01 2011 14:55 GMT
#142
On November 01 2011 23:41 red_b wrote:
oh look it's another post that basically says:

"you think we make our game based around baddies? DEAL WITH IT".

Riot lost me with the Nid nerfs. I finally found a character that took some mechanical skill and thought to play decently and Riot came in and said "no no no if you're good it's too easy to get out in front of bad players and stay there". what the fuck, I thought that was the point?

dota 2 cannot come out fast enough.

as far as this patch goes it's a small set of changes but I'm nominating Talon for the new J4; good to garbage in a manner of weeks because of repeated and unnecessary patching.

LoL is still stilted way too heavily. Early the damage/defense ratio is way too far on defense, because yet again it's not "fun" to get blown up because you're an idiot. Can we please have a PTR with no flash just to try it out?

There's a difference between balancing around the bottom 10% and making sure those players have fun. It's no fun when bad players play and one of them picks a strong and easy champ that just lets them win 100% of the time at that level. Then it's no fun for that player when they get carried by that champ to higher levels and then get stomped by people who actually know how to play the game.

Riot balancing at all levels of play instead of just the top 3% is the difference between a game with a few thousand players and a game with a few million players.

Fun and anti-fun are real things, and from the way you complain about MoonBear's post, you're pissed because you recieve fun from the enemy's anti-fun. Snowball is anti-fun. Akali, in some regard, is an anti-fun champ because if she gets a kill or two, kiss your asshole goodbye because she owns the game unless you move in a group at all times. It isn't fun to hear "you have been slain" a bunch of times, so yes there is a slant towards defensiveness and survivability, especially in the early game.

If your only response is "I don't agree with your decisions, fuck you I'm going to DOTA2", then have fun, we'll be fine without you.

Edit: closing response was a bit too harsh, forgive me.
It's your boy Guzma!
Ota Solgryn
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Denmark2011 Posts
November 01 2011 15:06 GMT
#143
Im really getting more and more in love with the idea of having some heros that really are made for the roam role, similar to the carry role, support role etc.. This would make highlevel matches so much more interesting as you would have ganks from both the jungler and roamer. Also it would make jungling much more interesting as the jungler+roamer from one team could have a lot of battles in jungle with the other teams jungler+roamer.

Don't know how the roamer should be designed, if it is "gold pr distance traveled" or stronger/faster in river. I think it would stop these highlevel games from being at the "low action" level they are now in laning phase.

Hehe, either that or just remove flash.
ihasaKAROT: "Wish people would stop wasting their lives on finding flaws in others"
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-01 15:07:40
November 01 2011 15:07 GMT
#144
You realize pre nidalee nerf nidalee was perma banned against hotshot and often banned against any team who had a good nidalee player (soaz) right?
It wasn't about nidalee being easy it was about nidalee being overpowered.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 01 2011 15:09 GMT
#145
As much as I've sometimes faulted Riot for making design decisions that lead to shallower competitive gameplay, I'll be frank here: their balance/design decisions have hurt competitive LoL far less than their management of competitive events.
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
November 01 2011 15:09 GMT
#146
On another topic, why don't more people play Wukong? I've only seen him a couple times, but he is frustratingly obnoxious to play against -- particularly in the laning phase. He can harass with you near impunity using his E and W. More importantly, he hits HARD. All he needs is to bring a couple mana pots to lane to sustain the harass. I think he'd be pretty good in teamfights with his ult, which is basically garen's spin-to-win on steroids + a disable.

So where's the monkey love?
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
November 01 2011 15:10 GMT
#147
Cho skin for the GD win. Almost as sweeet as the gentleman one! and the new champ is sexy, she seems good. Just played a game where we had a terribad Nasus/Caitlyn feed about a good 6-7 kills but it aint no thang, Karthus(me)/Wukong/New champ just melted faces.
Never Knows Best.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 01 2011 15:14 GMT
#148
On November 02 2011 00:09 xDaunt wrote:
On another topic, why don't more people play Wukong? I've only seen him a couple times, but he is frustratingly obnoxious to play against -- particularly in the laning phase. He can harass with you near impunity using his E and W. More importantly, he hits HARD. All he needs is to bring a couple mana pots to lane to sustain the harass. I think he'd be pretty good in teamfights with his ult, which is basically garen's spin-to-win on steroids + a disable.

So where's the monkey love?

I don't know about other people, but I just don't think he's fun :/

He's super strong, for sure, but it's the same reason I don't play a lot of other strong champs. I think his kit is good, but boring. Generic and dull things like charge, on hit, AoE ult with disable. Clone is cool, but not enough for me to pick him over more fun champions like Riven or someone.
It's your boy Guzma!
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
November 01 2011 15:14 GMT
#149
On November 02 2011 00:09 xDaunt wrote:
On another topic, why don't more people play Wukong? I've only seen him a couple times, but he is frustratingly obnoxious to play against -- particularly in the laning phase. He can harass with you near impunity using his E and W. More importantly, he hits HARD. All he needs is to bring a couple mana pots to lane to sustain the harass. I think he'd be pretty good in teamfights with his ult, which is basically garen's spin-to-win on steroids + a disable.

So where's the monkey love?


People dismissed him as either bad or mediocre when he first came out. He got a few bug fixes and some small buffs in a few patches and people started trying him again and realized he's pretty good. I don't think the buffs he got in this patch were that big of a deal but I hope they don't buff him anymore as he's already pretty good.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
November 01 2011 15:18 GMT
#150
New champ seems strong.
Never Knows Best.
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
November 01 2011 15:19 GMT
#151
The skill that makes you lose control of your movement and just slide at an accelerated rate in the direction you were going sounds hilarious and fun. Was that made up or is it from DotA?
I am the Town Medic.
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
November 01 2011 15:22 GMT
#152
nidalee still is overpowered anyway. playing against a good nidalee is still beyond frustrating because there's really nothing you can do. At least 5 players in top 100 solo q ladder right now that played a shitload of nid to get there
Brees on in
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 01 2011 15:24 GMT
#153
On November 02 2011 00:19 Alzadar wrote:
The skill that makes you lose control of your movement and just slide at an accelerated rate in the direction you were going sounds hilarious and fun. Was that made up or is it from DotA?

The more fluid way to implement that would just be the Force Staff active--shoves the target 600 units in the direction they're facing. Accomplishes the same thing on enemies, while acting as an escape/initiate/gap closer when used properly on yourself/allies.
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17288 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-01 15:25:45
November 01 2011 15:25 GMT
#154
What could possibly be broken about a form that has a free low cd leap and also gives her innate tankiness?

zzz

Make Cougar form abilities cost mana.
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Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-01 15:29:41
November 01 2011 15:28 GMT
#155
any consensus on how to build the new champ? I was thinking 9-21-0 taking the magic pen and building atmog's so you become an unslayable dragon capable of 5v1ing the enemy team RWAAAAAR.

Edit: or you could go 21-9-0 with nimbleness and be a dodging dragaon capable of assassinating squishies. RWAAAAR!
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 01 2011 15:28 GMT
#156
On November 02 2011 00:25 Craton wrote:
What could possibly be broken about a form that has a free low cd leap and also gives her innate tankiness?

zzz

Make Cougar form abilities cost mana.

But then you'd use all your mana and wouldn't be able to spam 25% enemy health spears like a spear-chucking c*nt.
It's your boy Guzma!
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
November 01 2011 15:34 GMT
#157
On November 02 2011 00:22 Brees wrote:
nidalee still is overpowered anyway. playing against a good nidalee is still beyond frustrating because there's really nothing you can do. At least 5 players in top 100 solo q ladder right now that played a shitload of nid to get there


5 in the top 100 is hardly indicative of anything, except that she's pretty good.
I am the Town Medic.
Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
November 01 2011 15:36 GMT
#158
On November 02 2011 00:28 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2011 00:25 Craton wrote:
What could possibly be broken about a form that has a free low cd leap and also gives her innate tankiness?

zzz

Make Cougar form abilities cost mana.

But then you'd use all your mana and wouldn't be able to spam 25% enemy health spears like a spear-chucking c*nt.


You would just start off with a tear and build arch angel's. Problem solved.
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
November 01 2011 15:43 GMT
#159
On November 02 2011 00:36 Sabin010 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2011 00:28 Requizen wrote:
On November 02 2011 00:25 Craton wrote:
What could possibly be broken about a form that has a free low cd leap and also gives her innate tankiness?

zzz

Make Cougar form abilities cost mana.

But then you'd use all your mana and wouldn't be able to spam 25% enemy health spears like a spear-chucking c*nt.


You would just start off with a tear and build arch angel's. Problem solved.


Cougar form abilities build tear right?

Funny thing is to play Nid and Kass together, nuts mobility and use cougar abilities to get his wave up every 2sec
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 01 2011 15:52 GMT
#160
Time for a random metagame quesiton/discussion. I like playing mostly AD carries. I usually play Ez, Cait, Trist, and now Graves. In what situations would you choose one over the others? I figure Trist is probably best if you go towards late game scenarios (tanky team that can protect you through your early/mid game), Ez and Graves are better for blitz/burst teams, and Cait is good if your team really needs you to win lane (can't really think of a specific comp though).

If you play a lot of champs of the same role, when do you choose one over the other?
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