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Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
November 01 2011 16:28 GMT
#181
Sounds like warwick? If she jungles fast enough I don't see it being an issue really.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-01 16:31:57
November 01 2011 16:31 GMT
#182
Having zero-cost abilities is just too great of an asset in lane (and that's pretty much wasted in the jungle) unless you have extremely strong ganking/jungle control tools to make up for it. Just being fast isn't good enough IMO.
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overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-01 16:34:59
November 01 2011 16:32 GMT
#183
On November 02 2011 01:28 Juicyfruit wrote:
She would be a red-buff reliant ganker but she has an innate speed boost and seems like she would be ridiculously FAST.

I have not really seen her in lane yet but she's doesn't seem as item-dependent as trynd/riven ,_, Plus, when you have a toolkit that synergizes abilities with autoattacks that just begs jungling (i.e. skarner and to some extent, XZ)


I think with red buff she'll have really good ganks. Plus once she has 6 she has a pretty strong gank assuming fury doesn't tick down while you aren't attacking. Pulling multiple enemies towards your tower sounds really strong you'd just have to approach the enemy from behind. Even without ult though move speed buff plus good damage plus red buff sounds like a scary gank.

As Yango said, she'll probably end up as a laner as she seems strong in lane but I think she'll be more viable in jungle than like Riven or Tryndamere.

edit:
And SV is about to jungle Shyvana right now.
Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
November 01 2011 16:34 GMT
#184
Warwick has a supress at 6, and has so much sustain he doesn't even have to leave his own Jungle before level six.
Thereisnosaurus
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Australia1822 Posts
November 01 2011 16:36 GMT
#185
played a game with a friend of mine who's pretty solid jungling on her. went something like 20/2. Giant fucking dragon monster diving out of the FOW at you = wet pants scary.
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rigwarl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States540 Posts
November 01 2011 16:39 GMT
#186
she does sound like warwick, also has a speed boost on top of that. would probably be good for ganking lanes that can disable pretty much on command (sion, renekton, etc)
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
November 01 2011 16:42 GMT
#187
SV just did full clear in about 3:35-3:40.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-01 16:52:51
November 01 2011 16:45 GMT
#188
On November 02 2011 01:42 overt wrote:
SV just did full clear in about 3:35-3:40.

And getting down to sub-100 health with 21 offense masteries.

In practice, you'd want to spec more defensively to finish on higher health than that, so that clear time isn't really representative.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-01 16:50:21
November 01 2011 16:49 GMT
#189
How is that not representative? saint really likes to full clear with junglers asaply. The fact that Shyvana can do it in one go (with 21 off no less) without backing is a plus imo.
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overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
November 01 2011 16:51 GMT
#190
On November 02 2011 01:49 NeoIllusions wrote:
How is that representative? saint really likes to full clear with junglers asaply. The fact that Shyvana can do it in one go without backing is a plus imo.


To be fair, he got really low and it's a normal game. He didn't have to deal with any sort of invasion or whatever either.

She's probably better in lane but I think running her in jungle is really good. Fury doesn't decrease when you're out of dragon form so once you have 100 fury you can gank with a pretty good CC.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-01 16:55:00
November 01 2011 16:52 GMT
#191
On November 02 2011 01:49 NeoIllusions wrote:
How is that not representative? saint really likes to full clear with junglers asaply. The fact that Shyvana can do it in one go (with 21 off no less) without backing is a plus imo.

Err, can't virtually every commonly picked jungler do this? The only common jungler that I can think of that has trouble doing that red is Gangplank, and it's questionable how compelling his jungle is after all the nerfs to begin with.

I still think it comes down to how absurd she is in lane-being a no-resource champion is huge in lane and does nothing in jungle. As it stands, the only resourceless champion that has a compelling enough jungle kit to warrant playing in jungle over lane is Lee Sin, and even if Shyvana's kit is good for jungle, it's probably not Lee Sin level good.
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Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
November 01 2011 16:54 GMT
#192
On November 02 2011 01:52 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2011 01:49 NeoIllusions wrote:
How is that not representative? saint really likes to full clear with junglers asaply. The fact that Shyvana can do it in one go (with 21 off no less) without backing is a plus imo.

Err, can't virtually every commonly picked jungler do this? The only common jungler that I can think of that has trouble doing that red is Gangplank, and it's questionable how compelling his jungle is after all the nerfs to begin with.


Not every jungler can do it that quickly I think.
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
November 01 2011 16:55 GMT
#193
On November 02 2011 01:51 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2011 01:49 NeoIllusions wrote:
How is that representative? saint really likes to full clear with junglers asaply. The fact that Shyvana can do it in one go without backing is a plus imo.


To be fair, he got really low and it's a normal game. He didn't have to deal with any sort of invasion or whatever either.

She's probably better in lane but I think running her in jungle is really good. Fury doesn't decrease when you're out of dragon form so once you have 100 fury you can gank with a pretty good CC.


In ranked you will get a far better pull so it's not an issue.
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
November 01 2011 16:56 GMT
#194
With full clear + back, you're ganking as a level 4 champion at 4:10 or 4:15 with boots. That's going to fuck with alot of people. Or even invading, Mummy and GP don't finish red till about then, go fuck them up.
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Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
November 01 2011 16:56 GMT
#195
There are more european players than NA?

That's surprising.

source: http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=5020842#post5020842
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
November 01 2011 16:57 GMT
#196
Every jungler gets low after a full run though. >_>
But that run was considerably fast, by standard jungle speeds.

dunno, saint make her look really good. W AOE just tears up minions.
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
November 01 2011 16:57 GMT
#197
On November 02 2011 01:56 Cixah wrote:
With full clear + back, you're ganking as a level 4 champion at 4:10 or 4:15 with boots. That's going to fuck with alot of people. Or even invading, Mummy and GP don't finish red till about then, go fuck them up.


Mummy can do a full clear even with regrowth start and I don't even have good runes for him. (Arpen reds trolol)
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
November 01 2011 16:59 GMT
#198
On November 02 2011 01:56 Phrost wrote:
There are more european players than NA?

That's surprising.

source: http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=5020842#post5020842

Maybe they meant eune+euw, afterall there was a reason for EU server split
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 01 2011 16:59 GMT
#199
On November 02 2011 01:57 NeoIllusions wrote:
Every jungler gets low after a full run though. >_>
But that run was considerably fast, by standard jungle speeds.

dunno, saint make her look really good. W AOE just tears up minions.

Most junglers that choose to do a full clear finish with high enough health to gank afterwards.
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rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5464 Posts
November 01 2011 17:01 GMT
#200
On November 02 2011 01:55 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2011 01:51 overt wrote:
On November 02 2011 01:49 NeoIllusions wrote:
How is that representative? saint really likes to full clear with junglers asaply. The fact that Shyvana can do it in one go without backing is a plus imo.


To be fair, he got really low and it's a normal game. He didn't have to deal with any sort of invasion or whatever either.

She's probably better in lane but I think running her in jungle is really good. Fury doesn't decrease when you're out of dragon form so once you have 100 fury you can gank with a pretty good CC.

In ranked you will get a far better pull so it's not an issue.

in ranked you also have people venturing into your jungle to piss you off as well.
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