EPTShe jungles quickly. Most junglers with AoE magic damage tend to, given how Wraiths are the bottleneck camp for a lot of junglers. The question is how her laning is going to be, and the trend with resourceless champions is that being resourceless tends to make for extremely strong laners.
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
She jungles quickly. Most junglers with AoE magic damage tend to, given how Wraiths are the bottleneck camp for a lot of junglers. The question is how her laning is going to be, and the trend with resourceless champions is that being resourceless tends to make for extremely strong laners. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On November 02 2011 02:01 redtooth wrote: in ranked you also have people venturing into your jungle to piss you off as well. You also have cv and wards in ranked, and it doesn't matter if they invade just kill them they're out of line. | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
She still sounds like a better fit overall in top lane though. It's just silly to say "a full clear is meaningless", considering how rarely most top junglers do a full clear anyway. | ||
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Alay
United States660 Posts
Caitlyn nerfs? I don't really understand she wasn't really wrecking crap. "We're gonna buff Olaf" -> nerfs him hard instead? "We're nerfing Graves" -> Barely touches him? "Shaco is getting some buffs" -> Instead nerf AP shaco directly, AD shacos mid jungle, and then boxes overall, because some players are stupid and make Shaco Bushes--and some even stupider players walk into them and die? And of course Wukong, who is oh so clearly underpowered now (/sarcasm) getting some very good buffs. What faith I had left in Riot is gone. They have absolutely no clue what they're doing with their own game. :/ | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
I was expecting better from a Coronach champion... | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 02 2011 02:13 Alay wrote: This patch is horrible. Amumu and Caitlyn nerfs? I don't really understand either of those, neither champion was really wrecking crap. How is an inconsequential attack range increase on Amumu a nerf? | ||
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57 Corvette
Canada5941 Posts
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On November 02 2011 02:13 Alay wrote: This patch is horrible. Amumu and Caitlyn nerfs? I don't really understand either of those, neither champion was really wrecking crap. "We're gonna buff Olaf" -> nerfs him hard instead? "We're nerfing Graves" -> Barely touches him? "Shaco is getting some buffs" -> Instead nerf AP shaco directly, AD shacos mid jungle, and then boxes overall, because some players are stupid and make Shaco Bushes--and some even stupider players walk into them and die? And of course Wukong, who is oh so clearly underpowered now (/sarcasm) getting some very good buffs. What faith I had left in Riot is gone. They have absolutely no clue what they're doing with their own game. :/ They buffed Amumu, retard. User was warned for this post | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
On November 02 2011 02:13 Alay wrote: This patch is horrible. Amumu and Caitlyn nerfs? I don't really understand either of those, neither champion was really wrecking crap. "We're gonna buff Olaf" -> nerfs him hard instead? "We're nerfing Graves" -> Barely touches him? "Shaco is getting some buffs" -> Instead nerf AP shaco directly, AD shacos mid jungle, and then boxes overall, because some players are stupid and make Shaco Bushes--and some even stupider players walk into them and die? And of course Wukong, who is oh so clearly underpowered now (/sarcasm) getting some very good buffs. What faith I had left in Riot is gone. They have absolutely no clue what they're doing with their own game. :/ ...Are you even reading the same patch notes? Amumu was a BUFF to attack range, just to keep it consistent. Caitlyn trap was changed because it's stupid to get caught on a trap you didn't even step on. I do agree her Q nerf is weird, since it's not like rank 4/5 piltovers are what makes her strong in lane. Olaf change is arguably a buff, since now you FORCE a cc on him and leave out any option of baiting ult and disengaging. Graves "nerf" is retarded I agree. He's still ridiculous. They talked about changing Shaco mechanics after releasing the preview, because they realized 1.5 sec box is too strong. Wukong was buffed because Riot can't possibly keep track of all up and coming trends. He only started to get some notice after all the tournaments in the past month died down and people had time to practice again. I agree this buff is a lot but don't fault Riot for this, since he really was under-represented and not doing well until very recently. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
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Alay
United States660 Posts
Polite. On November 02 2011 02:19 Sandster wrote: ...Are you even reading the same patch notes? Amumu was a BUFF to attack range, just to keep it consistent. Caitlyn trap was changed because it's stupid to get caught on a trap you didn't even step on. I do agree her Q nerf is weird, since it's not like rank 4/5 piltovers are what makes her strong in lane. Olaf change is arguably a buff, since now you FORCE a cc on him and leave out any option of baiting ult and disengaging. Graves "nerf" is retarded I agree. He's still ridiculous. They talked about changing Shaco mechanics after releasing the preview, because they realized 1.5 sec box is too strong. Wukong was buffed because Riot can't possibly keep track of all up and coming trends. He only started to get some notice after all the tournaments in the past month died down and people had time to practice again. I agree this buff is a lot but don't fault Riot for this, since he really was under-represented and not doing well until very recently. Misread the Amumu, excuse me. Caitlyn piltover was completely fine before. It's a relatively easy skill shot to dodge, and only really does tons of damage if you get caught without it going through minions first. Olaf "changes" still make him totally a "press R" champion, which was his problem before, and with a shortened duration is still his issue. You can't bait his ult now, I suppose, but that doesn't change anything about why the champion was having issues. The Shaco buff was too strong, no doubt. however riot seems to not have any ideas what to do with the champion. He was really fine before his first "bug fix" set, and since then they've been changing numbers all over the place. I honestly don't understand why they don't just fix his bugs and leave him alone. :/ | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
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SHr3DD3r
Pakistan2137 Posts
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rredtooth
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On November 02 2011 02:09 JackDino wrote: You also have cv and wards in ranked, and it doesn't matter if they invade just kill them they're out of line. ... you're proving my point. unless you defensively ward your jungle (wtf?), i'd say that wards + CV are more offensive tools that early in the game. this is from my perspective as a top laner but if cv catches them at red then i call for an invasion with mid and our own jungler. the purpose isn't to steal the buff or to kill the jungler, it's just to piss him off and mess up the route. often times it just ends up being the top laners get vision on each other in the jungle and everybody (including jungler) retreats. whatever, mission success. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
I don't know about her solotop. She's resourceless which is great, but she's not exactly a hypercarry (her base Aoe damage is fucking stupid as it is) and I don't know what exactly you would do top except push lane and throw fireballs at people. -shrug- | ||
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red_b
United States1267 Posts
On November 01 2011 23:47 MoonBear wrote: You whole post is just really bitter and angry and I really don't understand what you're trying to say... yes it is bitter and I'm not at all surprised that someone at riot doesnt understand why players who don't care about pub play would be mad. league caters to bad players at the expense of high skill cap champions because high skill mechanics are 'unfun'. in league it is impossible to really dominate your lane to the point where you make someone useless because that's not fun. news flash: every competitive game lets significantly better plays handicap their worse opponents. in DotA you can deny and you take all of their money. in Counter Strike you gimp their economy in Quake you own all of the weapons, armor and health points in BW you just flat out win 7 minutes into the game with economy builds it's true if I play with level 25s I can go AD zilean or some stupid crap like that and decimate all of them but in a ranked game I can eat my lane opponent and they can come back because they just camp safe spots and farm. I cannot take their money. I cannot take their exp. this is especially annoying against late game characters who require teamwork to stop because, of course, it's solo queue. that is "good game design" if you're aiming to make a casual multiplayer game. it is bad game design if you are trying to make a game that people who enjoy winning through skill will play competitively. just because you work at Riot doesnt mean you get to make the rules as to what is good and what is bad when it comes to game design. If you really knew no one would care about a graphical update to a game that is older than the sun. Im sure you guys will laugh all the way to the bank, but I'm done spending money on League and again, the second DotA 2 comes out I'm gone unless something major changes with your supposedly well designed game. Just my 2c. | ||
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MeatatoCake
United States60 Posts
One would probably have to have an "aggressive playstyle" with Shyvanna in top lane. These shaco changes are a little scary. Has anyone else seen the recent influx of smite exhaust shacos pubstomping? | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On November 02 2011 03:02 red_b wrote: yes it is bitter and I'm not at all surprised that someone at riot doesnt understand why players who don't care about pub play would be mad. league caters to bad players at the expense of high skill cap champions because high skill mechanics are 'unfun'. in league it is impossible to really dominate your lane to the point where you make someone useless because that's not fun. news flash: every competitive game lets significantly better plays handicap their worse opponents. I take it you don't watch my stream ever, LOL. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
We REALLY need a who's who list for this forum. Moonbear is a wrenchy, not a Rioter. Smash is really good, but always take his statements about champs with a grain of salt because you never know if he is talking about a champ he irrationally hates. Shitcombo takes no prisoners when it comes to stupid comments, ECT/ | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On November 02 2011 03:16 Mogwai wrote: I take it you don't watch my stream ever, LOL. And ya, it is definitely possible to take someone out of the game. It just takes skill. | ||
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