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Want to rage about your latest loss?
Use the QQ thread.
If you whine in GD, you'll get warned.

- Neo, 9:49 KST, Nov 9th
seppolevne
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada1681 Posts
November 13 2011 13:56 GMT
#3381
On November 13 2011 22:31 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2011 22:28 h3r1n6 wrote:
On November 13 2011 22:13 Shiv. wrote:
While we are at it, I'd like to start a discussion about caster Quints. I used to run flat AP on basically every AP I played, but when I started maining Katarina, I switched over to MS quints. I decided to try them on other champs like Annie, Brand, Cass, Sion and realized they felt vastly superior over flat AP quints. It's always like DODGE ALL THE PILLARS OF FLAME, OUTRUN ALL THE THINGS, ALWAYS LIVE NEVER DIE!

I don't know, personally, I like them a LOT more than flat AP quints. Opinions?



I don't have the IP for movement speed quints, but I've been meaning to get them for a while. They are basically the only quints that are really useful throughout the whole game. As far as dodging in the lane goes, I usually start boots+3pots anyway, so I don't really need the movement speed for that. More movement speed is always nice to have though (when have you ever thought, nah my lings are fast enough, I don't need to upgrade speed :D).

Funny how you can buy 3 tier 1 movespeed quints for about 500IP and get 2.5% or spend 6k+ for 4.5%.

Halloween MS quints were 1k for 1.39% though probably too late now >.<
J- Pirate Udyr WW T- Pirate Riven Galio M- Galio Annie S- Sona Lux -- Always farm, never carry.
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
November 13 2011 14:09 GMT
#3382
So I was drinking some orange juice this morning and thought: man i wish they had a male champ with a boomerang and grappling hook. Then they can give them a legendary batman skin that plays the theme song theoughout the entire game. It would all be worth it.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
h3r1n6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Iceland2039 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-13 14:12:58
November 13 2011 14:11 GMT
#3383
On November 13 2011 22:56 seppolevne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2011 22:31 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
On November 13 2011 22:28 h3r1n6 wrote:
On November 13 2011 22:13 Shiv. wrote:
While we are at it, I'd like to start a discussion about caster Quints. I used to run flat AP on basically every AP I played, but when I started maining Katarina, I switched over to MS quints. I decided to try them on other champs like Annie, Brand, Cass, Sion and realized they felt vastly superior over flat AP quints. It's always like DODGE ALL THE PILLARS OF FLAME, OUTRUN ALL THE THINGS, ALWAYS LIVE NEVER DIE!

I don't know, personally, I like them a LOT more than flat AP quints. Opinions?



I don't have the IP for movement speed quints, but I've been meaning to get them for a while. They are basically the only quints that are really useful throughout the whole game. As far as dodging in the lane goes, I usually start boots+3pots anyway, so I don't really need the movement speed for that. More movement speed is always nice to have though (when have you ever thought, nah my lings are fast enough, I don't need to upgrade speed :D).

Funny how you can buy 3 tier 1 movespeed quints for about 500IP and get 2.5% or spend 6k+ for 4.5%.

Halloween MS quints were 1k for 1.39% though probably too late now >.<


Even then, that's not the full bonus that the Tier 3 ones give. So I'd probably be replacing them sooner or later anyway, and it's just a wasted 3k IP.

Also, the new masteries give 1% less movement speed for one more point and it is more accessible to everyone. Makes movement speed quints even better in my eyes.
anmolsinghmzn2009
Profile Joined June 2011
India1783 Posts
November 13 2011 14:17 GMT
#3384
On November 13 2011 23:11 h3r1n6 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2011 22:56 seppolevne wrote:
On November 13 2011 22:31 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
On November 13 2011 22:28 h3r1n6 wrote:
On November 13 2011 22:13 Shiv. wrote:
While we are at it, I'd like to start a discussion about caster Quints. I used to run flat AP on basically every AP I played, but when I started maining Katarina, I switched over to MS quints. I decided to try them on other champs like Annie, Brand, Cass, Sion and realized they felt vastly superior over flat AP quints. It's always like DODGE ALL THE PILLARS OF FLAME, OUTRUN ALL THE THINGS, ALWAYS LIVE NEVER DIE!

I don't know, personally, I like them a LOT more than flat AP quints. Opinions?



I don't have the IP for movement speed quints, but I've been meaning to get them for a while. They are basically the only quints that are really useful throughout the whole game. As far as dodging in the lane goes, I usually start boots+3pots anyway, so I don't really need the movement speed for that. More movement speed is always nice to have though (when have you ever thought, nah my lings are fast enough, I don't need to upgrade speed :D).

Funny how you can buy 3 tier 1 movespeed quints for about 500IP and get 2.5% or spend 6k+ for 4.5%.

Halloween MS quints were 1k for 1.39% though probably too late now >.<


Even then, that's not the full bonus that the Tier 3 ones give. So I'd probably be replacing them sooner or later anyway, and it's just a wasted 3k IP.

Also, the new masteries give 1% less movement speed for one more point and it is more accessible to everyone. Makes movement speed quints even better in my eyes.

Especially with nimbleness removed.
Dunk first. Ask questions while dunking.
h3r1n6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Iceland2039 Posts
November 13 2011 14:27 GMT
#3385
On November 13 2011 23:17 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2011 23:11 h3r1n6 wrote:
On November 13 2011 22:56 seppolevne wrote:
On November 13 2011 22:31 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
On November 13 2011 22:28 h3r1n6 wrote:
On November 13 2011 22:13 Shiv. wrote:
While we are at it, I'd like to start a discussion about caster Quints. I used to run flat AP on basically every AP I played, but when I started maining Katarina, I switched over to MS quints. I decided to try them on other champs like Annie, Brand, Cass, Sion and realized they felt vastly superior over flat AP quints. It's always like DODGE ALL THE PILLARS OF FLAME, OUTRUN ALL THE THINGS, ALWAYS LIVE NEVER DIE!

I don't know, personally, I like them a LOT more than flat AP quints. Opinions?



I don't have the IP for movement speed quints, but I've been meaning to get them for a while. They are basically the only quints that are really useful throughout the whole game. As far as dodging in the lane goes, I usually start boots+3pots anyway, so I don't really need the movement speed for that. More movement speed is always nice to have though (when have you ever thought, nah my lings are fast enough, I don't need to upgrade speed :D).

Funny how you can buy 3 tier 1 movespeed quints for about 500IP and get 2.5% or spend 6k+ for 4.5%.

Halloween MS quints were 1k for 1.39% though probably too late now >.<


Even then, that's not the full bonus that the Tier 3 ones give. So I'd probably be replacing them sooner or later anyway, and it's just a wasted 3k IP.

Also, the new masteries give 1% less movement speed for one more point and it is more accessible to everyone. Makes movement speed quints even better in my eyes.

Especially with nimbleness removed.


The discussion was initially about caster quints, and no caster would take nimbleness.
anmolsinghmzn2009
Profile Joined June 2011
India1783 Posts
November 13 2011 14:31 GMT
#3386
On November 13 2011 23:27 h3r1n6 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2011 23:17 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
On November 13 2011 23:11 h3r1n6 wrote:
On November 13 2011 22:56 seppolevne wrote:
On November 13 2011 22:31 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
On November 13 2011 22:28 h3r1n6 wrote:
On November 13 2011 22:13 Shiv. wrote:
While we are at it, I'd like to start a discussion about caster Quints. I used to run flat AP on basically every AP I played, but when I started maining Katarina, I switched over to MS quints. I decided to try them on other champs like Annie, Brand, Cass, Sion and realized they felt vastly superior over flat AP quints. It's always like DODGE ALL THE PILLARS OF FLAME, OUTRUN ALL THE THINGS, ALWAYS LIVE NEVER DIE!

I don't know, personally, I like them a LOT more than flat AP quints. Opinions?



I don't have the IP for movement speed quints, but I've been meaning to get them for a while. They are basically the only quints that are really useful throughout the whole game. As far as dodging in the lane goes, I usually start boots+3pots anyway, so I don't really need the movement speed for that. More movement speed is always nice to have though (when have you ever thought, nah my lings are fast enough, I don't need to upgrade speed :D).

Funny how you can buy 3 tier 1 movespeed quints for about 500IP and get 2.5% or spend 6k+ for 4.5%.

Halloween MS quints were 1k for 1.39% though probably too late now >.<


Even then, that's not the full bonus that the Tier 3 ones give. So I'd probably be replacing them sooner or later anyway, and it's just a wasted 3k IP.

Also, the new masteries give 1% less movement speed for one more point and it is more accessible to everyone. Makes movement speed quints even better in my eyes.

Especially with nimbleness removed.


The discussion was initially about caster quints, and no caster would take nimbleness.

Was under the impression that the discussion had gone beyond casters in the last few posts. But of course I see your point.
Dunk first. Ask questions while dunking.
Hynda
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden2226 Posts
November 13 2011 14:43 GMT
#3387
Had my first game today when I was the only one my team with kills. I was going to write it in the QQ thread, but I'm not here to whine about it. Has anyone else had recently something you'd think you had seen. Cause with as many games as I/tl people have played you'd think you've seen it all. Even though it was a negative it was fun to have another "first"
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-13 14:46:33
November 13 2011 14:46 GMT
#3388
There should be a runes free market :p I'd love to buy dodge yellow/quints to the poor fools thinking they're not useful anymore \o/
The legend of Darien lives on
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
November 13 2011 15:04 GMT
#3389
On November 13 2011 15:36 koreasilver wrote:
To be fair, if I saw a swain rushing boots 2 -> banshees, I would be incredibly annoyed as well.


I was laning against a Sion that was taking half my health with each combo. Otherwise I would have got RoA and then boots.
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
November 13 2011 15:11 GMT
#3390
Hehehehehehe Rune combining makes a lot of sense.

Combine quints, get a flat health mark x)
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
shinarit
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary900 Posts
November 13 2011 15:29 GMT
#3391
On November 14 2011 00:11 RogerX wrote:
Hehehehehehe Rune combining makes a lot of sense.

Combine quints, get a flat health mark x)


Good you brought up the topic, are there any statistics or calculations if its worth buying tier1 runes to make tier3? Lets assume you dont have any runes and you want to build multiple pages for multiple purpose, not one specific one.
T for BoxeR, Z for IdrA, P because i have no self-respect
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
November 13 2011 15:43 GMT
#3392
Combning tier 1 runes gives you tier 2 runes at best so you'd have to combine even more. It's not even close to worth it considering the amount of trash runes there are.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
November 13 2011 15:45 GMT
#3393
On November 14 2011 00:11 RogerX wrote:
Hehehehehehe Rune combining makes a lot of sense.

Combine quints, get a flat health mark x)

lol

On November 12 2011 10:52 koreasilver wrote:
I was combining some of the leftover crap runes I got from coming the tier 1 runes I bought when I first started playing and I got hardcore trolled by this quint of might (ad per level). I kept combining it with other runes but it always somehow came out as the same quint of might. I did this 3 times. I started with one quint of might and 3 other runes and I ended up with one quint of might.

gg
Shawngood
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany473 Posts
November 13 2011 16:06 GMT
#3394
On November 13 2011 21:50 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2011 21:43 nojok wrote:
Those news masteries make dodge useless now but the rest seems nice! Casters will hvae to choose between offense & utility and now defense seems a bit better.

Yeah no one ever bought tabi or used dodge runes unless they had nimbleness, team with 3 ad and no cc? mercs all the way!

I see your point. Earlier in this thread I didn't mean to argue that Dodge runes are becoming useless, it's more that Riot seems to not like the stat at all. They have been getting rid of it step by step in the past patches and I believe that the removal of Nimbleness is a big indicator that eventually they are looking to remove the stat completely.
@ESL_Shawn
RoieTRS
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States2569 Posts
November 13 2011 16:07 GMT
#3395
is there any point to combining runes?
konadora, in Racenilatr's blog: "you need to stop thinking about starcraft or anything computer-related for that matter. It's becoming a bad addiction imo"
shinarit
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary900 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-13 16:23:57
November 13 2011 16:18 GMT
#3396
On November 14 2011 00:43 Slayer91 wrote:
Combning tier 1 runes gives you tier 2 runes at best so you'd have to combine even more. It's not even close to worth it considering the amount of trash runes there are.


I know, but 25 tier1 runes cost 375 IP, and if its really random and you can get any tier3 with equal chance, it may be even worth it statistically. Considering you can recombine the crap runes for 3->1, its even better. Dunno, should make a list of the crap runes and calculate some.

edit: just calculated, the average cost of a tier3 rune is 715.37. In theory it may be worth it
T for BoxeR, Z for IdrA, P because i have no self-respect
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-13 17:23:40
November 13 2011 16:30 GMT
#3397
On November 14 2011 01:18 shinarit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2011 00:43 Slayer91 wrote:
Combning tier 1 runes gives you tier 2 runes at best so you'd have to combine even more. It's not even close to worth it considering the amount of trash runes there are.


I know, but 25 tier1 runes cost 375 IP, and if its really random and you can get any tier3 with equal chance, it may be even worth it statistically. Considering you can recombine the crap runes for 3->1, its even better. Dunno, should make a list of the crap runes and calculate some.

edit: just calculated, the average cost of a tier3 rune is 715.37. In theory it may be worth it

It's still gambling, with how many garbage runes there are. Scaling health regen quints.

There are 18 marks (Fewest of any type) and only 3 of them are used often, with 3 more being used occasionally (MR, Armor, flat AD) the other 2/3 of them are junk like 0.16% CDR and +0.26 mp5
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
November 13 2011 17:56 GMT
#3398
If your plan is to have a large number of rune pages with many, many different types of runes it's barely gambling. If you're really looking to get very specific runes it's entirely a gamble.

Really what you do is make a list of all the rune types you want and compare it with all the rune types you don't. From there it's a fairly simple calculation of probability. For obvious reasons the cost/benefit drops significantly if you already have a fair number of the runes you want, so it's only really useful on new accounts.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
November 13 2011 17:59 GMT
#3399
Just upgrade your tier 1 page and pray you get something good. If you're looking for specific runes like everybody does it's too variable to get what you want without a huge investment. If most of the runes weren't useless it might be a better option.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
November 13 2011 18:08 GMT
#3400
Trying to get tier 3 runes out of combining instead of just buying them is something like giving all your money away to a casion and then trying to win it back again.
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