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Use the QQ thread.
If you whine in GD, you'll get warned.

- Neo, 9:49 KST, Nov 9th
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
November 12 2011 18:31 GMT
#3181
Shet the new mastery tree is gonna be tough to spec. So many tough choices...
unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
November 12 2011 18:31 GMT
#3182
On November 13 2011 02:19 Kaniol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2011 02:16 Goshawk. wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Real high elo trolling.

/random screenshot post.

That's interresting, yesterday i tri-queued with my friends and we ran into malph-fiddle bot lane, they played vs teemo-soraka and owned them :x

Support Malphite is great ^_^
:)
l3ird
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States368 Posts
November 12 2011 18:36 GMT
#3183
New mastery tree... soo good
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
November 12 2011 18:37 GMT
#3184
I just noticed that the smite mastery doesn't give cd reduction. You can just skip it now as a jungler.
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
November 12 2011 18:41 GMT
#3185
On November 13 2011 03:37 koreasilver wrote:
I just noticed that the smite mastery doesn't give cd reduction. You can just skip it now as a jungler.


The gold you get for using it increased from 5g to 10g. It's even better now.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
November 12 2011 18:42 GMT
#3186
On November 13 2011 03:37 koreasilver wrote:
I just noticed that the smite mastery doesn't give cd reduction. You can just skip it now as a jungler.

but but but but +10 gold now!

Here's a question.....the patch notes weren't really clear. Are the new Masteries and Summoners coming out this week? If so Season 2 must be pretty close....
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MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
November 12 2011 18:44 GMT
#3187
On November 13 2011 03:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2011 03:37 koreasilver wrote:
I just noticed that the smite mastery doesn't give cd reduction. You can just skip it now as a jungler.

but but but but +10 gold now!

Here's a question.....the patch notes weren't really clear. Are the new Masteries and Summoners coming out this week? If so Season 2 must be pretty close....

Afaik, yes new Masteries and Summoners are coming out next patch.

Season 2 is close.


I wonder what's in my older posts...
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
November 12 2011 18:47 GMT
#3188
I just hope they have the replay system ready. The complete silence from Riot makes me think that they are just throwing all this stuff out so they can do a "Hey, look, we know you guys want replays, but dont you want all this stuff MORE?" again.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
byFd
Profile Joined May 2006
Germany620 Posts
November 12 2011 18:48 GMT
#3189
On November 13 2011 03:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2011 03:37 koreasilver wrote:
I just noticed that the smite mastery doesn't give cd reduction. You can just skip it now as a jungler.

but but but but +10 gold now!

Here's a question.....the patch notes weren't really clear. Are the new Masteries and Summoners coming out this week? If so Season 2 must be pretty close....

red post said that new summoners and masteries will be in this patch
(>°_°)>
rigwarl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States540 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-12 18:52:11
November 12 2011 18:51 GMT
#3190
The smite mastery will be equivalent to roughly 1gp10 (since you won't use smite on CD). Probably won't be worth it unless you're going in the def tree anyway
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
November 12 2011 18:59 GMT
#3191
Huh, supposedly they're reworking the jungle so that junglers don't need to take the exp boost mastery. In that case going 9 into the utility tree has become so much better because you're getting swiftness (even though nerfed) and the buff mastery has become better for putting just one point in.

This is pretty cool.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-12 19:19:25
November 12 2011 19:05 GMT
#3192
So the other day I played against a really douchey team that all runed straight AD or AP (depending on character) and then were completely dominant in lane with their huge damage output. How exactly do you play against that?

Edit: also Corki buffs, neat!
It's your boy Guzma!
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
November 12 2011 19:10 GMT
#3193
People, please tell me I'm not becoming insane and the people here arguing Sion is a threat late game are wrong.
currently rooting for myself.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
November 12 2011 19:20 GMT
#3194
On November 13 2011 04:10 Shiv. wrote:
People, please tell me I'm not becoming insane and the people here arguing Sion is a threat late game are wrong.

So he should have said "Very strong mid-game threat" not late-game threat when he did the patch preview. Sion is a fucking huge threat early-midgame, and he doesn't drop off the way say, leblanc does, because late-game he'll still have a million health from CS a rather painful 1-2 combo on not-long CD, and a lichbane to back it up.
Qualm
Profile Joined December 2009
721 Posts
November 12 2011 19:21 GMT
#3195
On November 13 2011 04:05 Requizen wrote:
So the other day I played against a really douchey team that all runed straight AD or AP (depending on character) and then were completely dominant in lane with their huge damage output. How exactly do you play against that?


Defensive runes.

What you get from them is stronger in a 1v1 than what you can get offensively.
Demonace34
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2493 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-12 19:30:34
November 12 2011 19:29 GMT
#3196
I've been doing phoenix Udyr jungle with Wits end lately and have been getting shit from people that I don't build a wriggles. I try to ignore them but it has happened more than once. The whole thing behind going pheonix and wits end is that phoenix procs more the faster you hit so it makes up for the wriggles 20% chance proc and I get lifesteal and mana steal from using turtle stance anyway.

Another question I had is some guides swear by getting MBR instead of a TF, but other guides say that MBR is a shitty item unless the other team has a chogath stacking warmongs. I have been going MBR but recently have been thinking that TF just brings so much more to the table (movespeed + slow + atkspeed + a decent proc). What does everyone else think?


On November 13 2011 04:21 Qualm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2011 04:05 Requizen wrote:
So the other day I played against a really douchey team that all runed straight AD or AP (depending on character) and then were completely dominant in lane with their huge damage output. How exactly do you play against that?


Defensive runes.

What you get from them is stronger in a 1v1 than what you can get offensively.


Yeah I've seen people (Dyrus) have a page against garen that has 40 flat armor and I'm sure he opens up cloth + 5 too. I don't know if you have to go that overboard though.
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Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
November 12 2011 19:29 GMT
#3197
On November 13 2011 04:20 sylverfyre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2011 04:10 Shiv. wrote:
People, please tell me I'm not becoming insane and the people here arguing Sion is a threat late game are wrong.

So he should have said "Very strong mid-game threat" not late-game threat when he did the patch preview. Sion is a fucking huge threat early-midgame, and he doesn't drop off the way say, leblanc does, because late-game he'll still have a million health from CS a rather painful 1-2 combo on not-long CD, and a lichbane to back it up.

This is true, but I just don't see him up there with, say, Brand.
currently rooting for myself.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
November 12 2011 19:33 GMT
#3198
Against a competent team, Sion blows once you get to the 5v5 stage. All you need to do to cut him out of the game is to coordinate enough burst to kill his shield, then just kill all of his teammates or instagib him.

Sion's REAL strength is his ability to blow a creepwave, gank somewhere, and make it back in time to blow another creepwave instantly. At the same time, because his shield is very hard to pop in small skirmishes (and most sions time out a gank to minimize that opportunity) his burst is very high when he does it. Basically there is no way to "nerf" what AP sion does because to remove any part of his 2 part combo is to destroy the champ entirely at all stages of the game.

The real counter to it is to be map aware and pick around sion. But low elo players dont know how, and even high elo people refuse to most of the time. So then it becomes easier to just ban him so you dont really have to worry about it.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-12 19:37:01
November 12 2011 19:36 GMT
#3199
On November 13 2011 04:21 Qualm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2011 04:05 Requizen wrote:
So the other day I played against a really douchey team that all runed straight AD or AP (depending on character) and then were completely dominant in lane with their huge damage output. How exactly do you play against that?


Defensive runes.

What you get from them is stronger in a 1v1 than what you can get offensively.

Well, here's the scenario. Me bot as Graves with a Nunu against a Graves and Teemo. They both went straight AD and AP respectively for Reds, Blues, and Quints. Graves started DBlades and Teemo started Amp Tome.

That alone gave Graves 27.82 AD and Teemo 49.07 AP. Standard AD runes (on me as Graves) give 12.69 Armor (Flat Armor Yellows) and 1.35 MR (Scaling MR Blues). That's not really doing much except letting me sit under my tower and going back when Teemo hits me with 2 auto attacks.

Against a standard enemy page it's fine, but you can't really account for them starting with almost 50 AP at level 1.
It's your boy Guzma!
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
November 12 2011 19:41 GMT
#3200
On November 13 2011 04:29 Demonace34 wrote:
I've been doing phoenix Udyr jungle with Wits end lately and have been getting shit from people that I don't build a wriggles. I try to ignore them but it has happened more than once. The whole thing behind going pheonix and wits end is that phoenix procs more the faster you hit so it makes up for the wriggles 20% chance proc and I get lifesteal and mana steal from using turtle stance anyway.

Another question I had is some guides swear by getting MBR instead of a TF, but other guides say that MBR is a shitty item unless the other team has a chogath stacking warmongs. I have been going MBR but recently have been thinking that TF just brings so much more to the table (movespeed + slow + atkspeed + a decent proc). What does everyone else think?


Show nested quote +
On November 13 2011 04:21 Qualm wrote:
On November 13 2011 04:05 Requizen wrote:
So the other day I played against a really douchey team that all runed straight AD or AP (depending on character) and then were completely dominant in lane with their huge damage output. How exactly do you play against that?


Defensive runes.

What you get from them is stronger in a 1v1 than what you can get offensively.


Yeah I've seen people (Dyrus) have a page against garen that has 40 flat armor and I'm sure he opens up cloth + 5 too. I don't know if you have to go that overboard though.


If I'm not stupid, doesn't madred's procs restore health and mana too? I thought turtle restores based on all damage done.


I could be confused, but I thought thats why udyr, lee sin, and olaf always tried to smite with their respective life steal buffs up so they could get lots of free health back
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