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Use the QQ thread.
If you whine in GD, you'll get warned.

- Neo, 9:49 KST, Nov 9th
Mondieu
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania803 Posts
November 10 2011 20:54 GMT
#2801
Eu servers seem offline. 20 minutes queue.

On Topic. QSS removes exhaust ? Cause to be honest I'm not sure how QSS is better than the item that blocks one spell every 30 seconds, at least in pubs. ( as Tristana )
Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
November 10 2011 20:56 GMT
#2802
On November 11 2011 05:54 Mondieu wrote:
Eu servers seem offline. 20 minutes queue.

On Topic. QSS removes exhaust ? Cause to be honest I'm not sure how QSS is better than the item that blocks one spell every 30 seconds, at least in pubs. ( as Tristana )


QSS is better than Banshee's Veil because it's 1300g cheaper and removes the CC that you want it to remove, instead of Volley or TF's ult.
tree.hugger: Coming off of [(T)fantasy v. (T)Really] into [(T)Barracks v. (T)MVP] is like coming out of Manhattan into New Jersey. You just have to speed up and ignore it.
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
November 10 2011 21:07 GMT
#2803
Yes, QSS removes Exhaust.
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
November 10 2011 21:11 GMT
#2804
On November 11 2011 05:54 Mondieu wrote:
Eu servers seem offline. 20 minutes queue.

On Topic. QSS removes exhaust ? Cause to be honest I'm not sure how QSS is better than the item that blocks one spell every 30 seconds, at least in pubs. ( as Tristana )

QSS + Giant's belt is cheaper, offers more HP and MR and doesn't get used up by random shit.
Yes it removes Exhaust. All debuffs.
There is pretty much no reason to ever get BV over QSS + Belt on tanky characters unless the enemy has Blitzcrank.
On squishy characters it's a bit more even (1 blocked spell means more if you die in 3 hits), but still heavily in favor of QSS in most cases imo.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
DrKlingmann
Profile Joined December 2010
Poland356 Posts
November 10 2011 21:15 GMT
#2805
On November 10 2011 22:34 freelander wrote:
actually it's Élő but you don't even have the letters for it

poor people


Maybe it's Ęłó? :D
So right now even you don't have letters for it :-P
--- EUNE Jarpen ---
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
November 10 2011 21:17 GMT
#2806
On November 11 2011 06:15 DrKlingmann wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2011 22:34 freelander wrote:
actually it's Élő but you don't even have the letters for it

poor people


Maybe it's Ęłó? :D
So right now even you don't have letters for it :-P


Seems simple enough to type Ęłó.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
November 10 2011 21:23 GMT
#2807
alright, this is getting silly, let's talk about the resurgence of boots of mobility. I'm pretty stoked that people have started building them again, they seem to be indicative of a lot more early roaming and ganking which is more fun early play.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 10 2011 21:27 GMT
#2808
On November 11 2011 06:23 Mogwai wrote:
alright, this is getting silly, let's talk about the resurgence of boots of mobility. I'm pretty stoked that people have started building them again, they seem to be indicative of a lot more early roaming and ganking which is more fun early play.

I <3 MoBoots (yes that's what we call them), but the Tenacity on Merc's and the damage from Sorc/Zerker (depending on champ) is usually too much to pass up, especially in the early game.
It's your boy Guzma!
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5464 Posts
November 10 2011 21:30 GMT
#2809
On November 11 2011 06:23 Mogwai wrote:
alright, this is getting silly, let's talk about the resurgence of boots of mobility. I'm pretty stoked that people have started building them again, they seem to be indicative of a lot more early roaming and ganking which is more fun early play.

SWIFTNESS
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
November 10 2011 21:32 GMT
#2810
On November 11 2011 06:30 redtooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2011 06:23 Mogwai wrote:
alright, this is getting silly, let's talk about the resurgence of boots of mobility. I'm pretty stoked that people have started building them again, they seem to be indicative of a lot more early roaming and ganking which is more fun early play.

SWIFTNESS

swiftness is garbage. always rather have BoM.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-10 21:36:34
November 10 2011 21:33 GMT
#2811
I would build mobility boots in like 75%+ of my games as sion since I started playing him :x just gives you so much map presence. And lategame you can always sell them for mercs anyway If needed. Sometimes built them on ww too to be a big dick if I was doing well. I really think they're still really strong in solo q if you're playing gank heavy and can benefit from the investment
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Seiuchi
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States931 Posts
November 10 2011 21:37 GMT
#2812
Now that I lucked into higher rating this season, I get to learn things like how I can't face z3rg3m3n top with Riven because I'm bad, but at least I get to help prove that Skarner is broken OP.

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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
November 10 2011 21:38 GMT
#2813
On November 11 2011 06:27 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2011 06:23 Mogwai wrote:
alright, this is getting silly, let's talk about the resurgence of boots of mobility. I'm pretty stoked that people have started building them again, they seem to be indicative of a lot more early roaming and ganking which is more fun early play.

I <3 MoBoots (yes that's what we call them), but the Tenacity on Merc's and the damage from Sorc/Zerker (depending on champ) is usually too much to pass up, especially in the early game.

I situationally like all boots.

Except for swiftness, I can never justify them over ninja tabi or BoM.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-10 21:44:12
November 10 2011 21:43 GMT
#2814
On November 11 2011 06:38 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2011 06:27 Requizen wrote:
On November 11 2011 06:23 Mogwai wrote:
alright, this is getting silly, let's talk about the resurgence of boots of mobility. I'm pretty stoked that people have started building them again, they seem to be indicative of a lot more early roaming and ganking which is more fun early play.

I <3 MoBoots (yes that's what we call them), but the Tenacity on Merc's and the damage from Sorc/Zerker (depending on champ) is usually too much to pass up, especially in the early game.

I situationally like all boots.

Except for swiftness, I can never justify them over ninja tabi or BoM.

You've never played Singed, have you ? It's so funny to be even MORE trollolo :D
The legend of Darien lives on
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
November 10 2011 21:46 GMT
#2815
On November 11 2011 06:43 mr_tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2011 06:38 Mogwai wrote:
On November 11 2011 06:27 Requizen wrote:
On November 11 2011 06:23 Mogwai wrote:
alright, this is getting silly, let's talk about the resurgence of boots of mobility. I'm pretty stoked that people have started building them again, they seem to be indicative of a lot more early roaming and ganking which is more fun early play.

I <3 MoBoots (yes that's what we call them), but the Tenacity on Merc's and the damage from Sorc/Zerker (depending on champ) is usually too much to pass up, especially in the early game.

I situationally like all boots.

Except for swiftness, I can never justify them over ninja tabi or BoM.

You've never played Singed, have you ?

I love playing Singed.

I get ninja tabi or mercs every game.

with nimbleness, tabi make you faster than swiftness for less money and also considerably increase your survivability.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 10 2011 21:46 GMT
#2816
I'd also like to bring up a semi-serious discussion:

So, there are champions with strong early games (Cait, Garen, etc), and those with strong late games (Nasus farmed, Kog, Vayne, etc). These have interesting interactions and ramifications I'd like to discuss. Such as, the obvious, which is "better" for ranked/competitive play? We used to see a lot of Cait in lane, but now it's started to move on to Kog as the big ticket AD. When making a team, should you all have champions of the same type (all strong early, all hyper carry), or half and half?

And in a similar, but different, line of thought, what do you think of runes paging specifically for dominant early game? Like, full AP/AD/whatever stat page to make you completely unbeatable in the first few levels?
It's your boy Guzma!
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
November 10 2011 21:46 GMT
#2817
On November 11 2011 06:43 mr_tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2011 06:38 Mogwai wrote:
On November 11 2011 06:27 Requizen wrote:
On November 11 2011 06:23 Mogwai wrote:
alright, this is getting silly, let's talk about the resurgence of boots of mobility. I'm pretty stoked that people have started building them again, they seem to be indicative of a lot more early roaming and ganking which is more fun early play.

I <3 MoBoots (yes that's what we call them), but the Tenacity on Merc's and the damage from Sorc/Zerker (depending on champ) is usually too much to pass up, especially in the early game.

I situationally like all boots.

Except for swiftness, I can never justify them over ninja tabi or BoM.

You've never played Singed, have you ? It's so funny to be even MORE trollolo :D

Every time I see a singed build swiftness I want to cry.

Why would you build swiftness on singed? Mercs + ulti makes singed basically immune to cc the way Irelia + mercs is immune to cc. Tabis are also great when the other team has scary autoattackers like kog or vayne. It also helps to justify going cloth+5pot against hard lanes too.

I honestly can never see a situation where I would ever want to build swiftness.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-10 22:03:05
November 10 2011 21:58 GMT
#2818
On November 11 2011 02:03 kepael wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2011 01:25 mordek wrote:
I would think analysis of matchups during lane accompanied with color/humor makes sense. Pre-team fights talk about what each side wants to accomplish. During fights just play-by-play. Best approach is probably showing you can do both because I think different phases of the game require different casting. Usually this is accomplished by a duo but it would be good to demonstrate you can do either



Pretty much exactly this. It's why football commentary sucks and SC2 commentary is great. In football they're always trying to seem super professional and in between plays they'll just say random uninteresting shit because they have nothing to fill time: e.g. "That young man over there is a real football player," or "you've gotta score points to win the game." Day9 and Husky don't give a shit about being professional so instead they just try to make it fun, when there's not something occurring in the game they'll talk about something fun or funny. Keep on top of the action, but if there's nothing going on, don't pretend that there is.

That's completely irrelevant to the type of caster. Not having something meaningful to say is a sign of a bad or unprepared caster. You see the same crap much more often in esports because sports casters put in significantly more preparation time memorizing every player on the field, their recent performance, and notable information about the key players. They also have useful staff who feed them additional statistics and nuggets to talk about during dead time. Esports casters fill dead air with nonsense like talking about how handsome a player is.


On November 11 2011 03:34 Sabin010 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2011 03:27 Chairman Ray wrote:
On November 11 2011 03:25 Phrost wrote:
What if Blitzcrank grabbed Amumu who tossed his bandage on Skarner who was impaling Blitzcrank?


Two of them have to be allied, so they wouldn't be able to do it.

I would be curious to know what happens when a blitz grabs an amumu during bandage toss though

We need to petition Riot to make a 3 team map. Make it in the shape of a Triforce with objectives in the middle. You can have one lane from each team to a nexus, and when you take a nexus the minions spawn for you, but once a team is eliminated the two remaining teams can take each others nexus and the first to have all three win.

Would be horrible. Search red tracker for the many, many times it has been rebuked.


On November 11 2011 06:30 redtooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2011 06:23 Mogwai wrote:
alright, this is getting silly, let's talk about the resurgence of boots of mobility. I'm pretty stoked that people have started building them again, they seem to be indicative of a lot more early roaming and ganking which is more fun early play.

SWIFTNESS

Are horrible.
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
November 10 2011 22:02 GMT
#2819
On November 11 2011 06:11 spinesheath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2011 05:54 Mondieu wrote:
Eu servers seem offline. 20 minutes queue.

On Topic. QSS removes exhaust ? Cause to be honest I'm not sure how QSS is better than the item that blocks one spell every 30 seconds, at least in pubs. ( as Tristana )

QSS + Giant's belt is cheaper, offers more HP and MR and doesn't get used up by random shit.
Yes it removes Exhaust. All debuffs.
There is pretty much no reason to ever get BV over QSS + Belt on tanky characters unless the enemy has Blitzcrank.
On squishy characters it's a bit more even (1 blocked spell means more if you die in 3 hits), but still heavily in favor of QSS in most cases imo.


honestly i like bveil on nocturne just because it's so hilarious to block so many spells
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
November 10 2011 22:04 GMT
#2820
On November 11 2011 06:46 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2011 06:43 mr_tolkien wrote:
On November 11 2011 06:38 Mogwai wrote:
On November 11 2011 06:27 Requizen wrote:
On November 11 2011 06:23 Mogwai wrote:
alright, this is getting silly, let's talk about the resurgence of boots of mobility. I'm pretty stoked that people have started building them again, they seem to be indicative of a lot more early roaming and ganking which is more fun early play.

I <3 MoBoots (yes that's what we call them), but the Tenacity on Merc's and the damage from Sorc/Zerker (depending on champ) is usually too much to pass up, especially in the early game.

I situationally like all boots.

Except for swiftness, I can never justify them over ninja tabi or BoM.

You've never played Singed, have you ? It's so funny to be even MORE trollolo :D

Every time I see a singed build swiftness I want to cry.

Why would you build swiftness on singed? Mercs + ulti makes singed basically immune to cc the way Irelia + mercs is immune to cc. Tabis are also great when the other team has scary autoattackers like kog or vayne. It also helps to justify going cloth+5pot against hard lanes too.

I honestly can never see a situation where I would ever want to build swiftness.


umm isn't it completely dependent on who u are laning vs?

i'd think swiftness vs say, garen, would make perfect sense
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