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Harrow
Profile Joined November 2010
United States245 Posts
November 10 2011 22:04 GMT
#2821
Just had a teammate rage for half a game because I got a Kage's and Hourglass on Jungle Fiddle. Isn't this semi-standard? He was essentially saying we lost because I didn't rush RoA.
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
November 10 2011 22:10 GMT
#2822
On November 11 2011 07:04 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2011 06:46 Ryuu314 wrote:
On November 11 2011 06:43 mr_tolkien wrote:
On November 11 2011 06:38 Mogwai wrote:
On November 11 2011 06:27 Requizen wrote:
On November 11 2011 06:23 Mogwai wrote:
alright, this is getting silly, let's talk about the resurgence of boots of mobility. I'm pretty stoked that people have started building them again, they seem to be indicative of a lot more early roaming and ganking which is more fun early play.

I <3 MoBoots (yes that's what we call them), but the Tenacity on Merc's and the damage from Sorc/Zerker (depending on champ) is usually too much to pass up, especially in the early game.

I situationally like all boots.

Except for swiftness, I can never justify them over ninja tabi or BoM.

You've never played Singed, have you ? It's so funny to be even MORE trollolo :D

Every time I see a singed build swiftness I want to cry.

Why would you build swiftness on singed? Mercs + ulti makes singed basically immune to cc the way Irelia + mercs is immune to cc. Tabis are also great when the other team has scary autoattackers like kog or vayne. It also helps to justify going cloth+5pot against hard lanes too.

I honestly can never see a situation where I would ever want to build swiftness.


umm isn't it completely dependent on who u are laning vs?

i'd think swiftness vs say, garen, would make perfect sense


You want armor against Garen.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 10 2011 22:12 GMT
#2823
On November 11 2011 07:04 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2011 06:46 Ryuu314 wrote:
On November 11 2011 06:43 mr_tolkien wrote:
On November 11 2011 06:38 Mogwai wrote:
On November 11 2011 06:27 Requizen wrote:
On November 11 2011 06:23 Mogwai wrote:
alright, this is getting silly, let's talk about the resurgence of boots of mobility. I'm pretty stoked that people have started building them again, they seem to be indicative of a lot more early roaming and ganking which is more fun early play.

I <3 MoBoots (yes that's what we call them), but the Tenacity on Merc's and the damage from Sorc/Zerker (depending on champ) is usually too much to pass up, especially in the early game.

I situationally like all boots.

Except for swiftness, I can never justify them over ninja tabi or BoM.

You've never played Singed, have you ? It's so funny to be even MORE trollolo :D

Every time I see a singed build swiftness I want to cry.

Why would you build swiftness on singed? Mercs + ulti makes singed basically immune to cc the way Irelia + mercs is immune to cc. Tabis are also great when the other team has scary autoattackers like kog or vayne. It also helps to justify going cloth+5pot against hard lanes too.

I honestly can never see a situation where I would ever want to build swiftness.


umm isn't it completely dependent on who u are laning vs?

i'd think swiftness vs say, garen, would make perfect sense

Tabi would still be better vs Garen, IMO. Consider that you start cloth+5pot (which you probably have to vs. Garen). You can get Tabi at least 1 trip sooner than Swiftness, meaning that you have movespeed advantage earlier, AND its giving you more armor. Plus if you get Nimbleness procs, they give you more of an MS boost than Swiftness.
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
November 10 2011 22:16 GMT
#2824
Um I build swiftness on garen <.< only person
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
November 10 2011 22:27 GMT
#2825
On November 11 2011 07:16 Shikyo wrote:
Um I build swiftness on garen <.< only person

When I dont have dodge runes and masteries and the other team doesn't have much CC, THEN swiftness is justified, otherwise, you are alone.
In the woods, there lurks..
freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
November 10 2011 22:30 GMT
#2826
On November 11 2011 06:15 DrKlingmann wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2011 22:34 freelander wrote:
actually it's Élő but you don't even have the letters for it

poor people


Maybe it's Ęłó? :D
So right now even you don't have letters for it :-P


the inventor's name was Élő Árpád
And all is illuminated.
Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7584 Posts
November 10 2011 22:53 GMT
#2827
Without doing calculations I got moonblade on sion after getting mercs because I wanted mobility but later needed tenacity.
Stuck.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
November 10 2011 22:57 GMT
#2828
I assume you meant "after getting BoM".

I'd personally rather swap BoM for merc's late game over buying Spellblade. It's 500g to swap BoM for Merc's, versus 1200g and an item slot for Spellblade. At that point you should mostly be hanging with your team rather than running around ganking so the value of BoM drops considerably.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7584 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-10 23:02:00
November 10 2011 22:59 GMT
#2829
Still don't know how much items sell for in lol... I assume it's the wikis somewhere but all I know is that gp10 items sell for less, and if you buy the wrong items in the beginning actually at any point you are screwed cause you don't get refunded full amount if you sell in a particular window of time.
Stuck.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-10 23:01:06
November 10 2011 23:00 GMT
#2830
70%

50% doran's / gp10
twitch.tv/cratonz
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
November 10 2011 23:01 GMT
#2831
50% for gold items and dorans
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
November 10 2011 23:05 GMT
#2832
On November 11 2011 06:46 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2011 06:43 mr_tolkien wrote:
On November 11 2011 06:38 Mogwai wrote:
On November 11 2011 06:27 Requizen wrote:
On November 11 2011 06:23 Mogwai wrote:
alright, this is getting silly, let's talk about the resurgence of boots of mobility. I'm pretty stoked that people have started building them again, they seem to be indicative of a lot more early roaming and ganking which is more fun early play.

I <3 MoBoots (yes that's what we call them), but the Tenacity on Merc's and the damage from Sorc/Zerker (depending on champ) is usually too much to pass up, especially in the early game.

I situationally like all boots.

Except for swiftness, I can never justify them over ninja tabi or BoM.

You've never played Singed, have you ? It's so funny to be even MORE trollolo :D

Every time I see a singed build swiftness I want to cry.

Why would you build swiftness on singed? Mercs + ulti makes singed basically immune to cc the way Irelia + mercs is immune to cc. Tabis are also great when the other team has scary autoattackers like kog or vayne. It also helps to justify going cloth+5pot against hard lanes too.

I honestly can never see a situation where I would ever want to build swiftness.



Against a team that's light on CC and high on mobility, swiftness is better
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 10 2011 23:12 GMT
#2833
On November 11 2011 08:05 Phrost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2011 06:46 Ryuu314 wrote:
On November 11 2011 06:43 mr_tolkien wrote:
On November 11 2011 06:38 Mogwai wrote:
On November 11 2011 06:27 Requizen wrote:
On November 11 2011 06:23 Mogwai wrote:
alright, this is getting silly, let's talk about the resurgence of boots of mobility. I'm pretty stoked that people have started building them again, they seem to be indicative of a lot more early roaming and ganking which is more fun early play.

I <3 MoBoots (yes that's what we call them), but the Tenacity on Merc's and the damage from Sorc/Zerker (depending on champ) is usually too much to pass up, especially in the early game.

I situationally like all boots.

Except for swiftness, I can never justify them over ninja tabi or BoM.

You've never played Singed, have you ? It's so funny to be even MORE trollolo :D

Every time I see a singed build swiftness I want to cry.

Why would you build swiftness on singed? Mercs + ulti makes singed basically immune to cc the way Irelia + mercs is immune to cc. Tabis are also great when the other team has scary autoattackers like kog or vayne. It also helps to justify going cloth+5pot against hard lanes too.

I honestly can never see a situation where I would ever want to build swiftness.



Against a team that's light on CC and high on mobility, swiftness is better

Than mercs? Sure.

Against a team that autoattacks enough that you're going to get a dodge proc (or if you just pick one up off creep aggro), the MS boost from Nimbleness is more than the difference between Boots 2 and Boots 3.
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Flicky
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
England2669 Posts
November 10 2011 23:13 GMT
#2834
Just browsing the Dignitas site and they have an Ask the LoL team thread and someone asked LoCicero a question there. How cute =3
Liquipedia"I was seriously looking for a black guy" - MrHoon
Brettatron
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada159 Posts
November 10 2011 23:15 GMT
#2835
On November 11 2011 04:00 Sabin010 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2011 03:56 Requizen wrote:
On November 11 2011 03:55 Sandster wrote:
I once knocked up a mini-golem in the jungle (forgot who I was playing - maybe Jarvan?) and the dude flew up in the air off the screen. A few seconds later it fell back down and I killed it. That was bizarre.

Yeah, the knockup physics can freak out sometimes. I'll occasionally knock people into the air for seconds at a time as Xin, freaked me the hell out.


That's nothing, I once kicked a guy as Lee Sin into a wall he couldn't pass through and he dissapeared for a good 5 seconds.


IMO Chuck Noris skin for Lee Sin.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
November 10 2011 23:28 GMT
#2836
On November 11 2011 07:04 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2011 06:46 Ryuu314 wrote:
On November 11 2011 06:43 mr_tolkien wrote:
On November 11 2011 06:38 Mogwai wrote:
On November 11 2011 06:27 Requizen wrote:
On November 11 2011 06:23 Mogwai wrote:
alright, this is getting silly, let's talk about the resurgence of boots of mobility. I'm pretty stoked that people have started building them again, they seem to be indicative of a lot more early roaming and ganking which is more fun early play.

I <3 MoBoots (yes that's what we call them), but the Tenacity on Merc's and the damage from Sorc/Zerker (depending on champ) is usually too much to pass up, especially in the early game.

I situationally like all boots.

Except for swiftness, I can never justify them over ninja tabi or BoM.

You've never played Singed, have you ? It's so funny to be even MORE trollolo :D

Every time I see a singed build swiftness I want to cry.

Why would you build swiftness on singed? Mercs + ulti makes singed basically immune to cc the way Irelia + mercs is immune to cc. Tabis are also great when the other team has scary autoattackers like kog or vayne. It also helps to justify going cloth+5pot against hard lanes too.

I honestly can never see a situation where I would ever want to build swiftness.


umm isn't it completely dependent on who u are laning vs?

i'd think swiftness vs say, garen, would make perfect sense

Tabi's armor and dodge are both awesome on garen aren't they? His judgement does a fair but but ultimately he does most of his damage with autos.
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
November 10 2011 23:36 GMT
#2837
On November 11 2011 08:28 sylverfyre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2011 07:04 travis wrote:
On November 11 2011 06:46 Ryuu314 wrote:
On November 11 2011 06:43 mr_tolkien wrote:
On November 11 2011 06:38 Mogwai wrote:
On November 11 2011 06:27 Requizen wrote:
On November 11 2011 06:23 Mogwai wrote:
alright, this is getting silly, let's talk about the resurgence of boots of mobility. I'm pretty stoked that people have started building them again, they seem to be indicative of a lot more early roaming and ganking which is more fun early play.

I <3 MoBoots (yes that's what we call them), but the Tenacity on Merc's and the damage from Sorc/Zerker (depending on champ) is usually too much to pass up, especially in the early game.

I situationally like all boots.

Except for swiftness, I can never justify them over ninja tabi or BoM.

You've never played Singed, have you ? It's so funny to be even MORE trollolo :D

Every time I see a singed build swiftness I want to cry.

Why would you build swiftness on singed? Mercs + ulti makes singed basically immune to cc the way Irelia + mercs is immune to cc. Tabis are also great when the other team has scary autoattackers like kog or vayne. It also helps to justify going cloth+5pot against hard lanes too.

I honestly can never see a situation where I would ever want to build swiftness.


umm isn't it completely dependent on who u are laning vs?

i'd think swiftness vs say, garen, would make perfect sense

Tabi's armor and dodge are both awesome on garen aren't they? His judgement does a fair but but ultimately he does most of his damage with autos.


You can't dodge decisive strike so, no not really
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
kepael
Profile Joined July 2011
United States177 Posts
November 10 2011 23:40 GMT
#2838
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/news/triple-threat-value-pack-limited-time-only

That's actually a good price. They'll all probably be reduced in ip cost soon, but it's way better than those crap 1500 RP bundles they released a while ago. Think I might actually pick it up.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
November 10 2011 23:54 GMT
#2839
Katarina might be, but MF and Xin aren't in the original champion pool. It's a good deal if you don't already own them ^_^ I don't see how MF or Katarina are favorites though and I haven't seen much Xin since he got nerfed months ago...
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
November 11 2011 00:03 GMT
#2840
Triple threat for champs nobody plays right now.
twitch.tv/cratonz
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