EPT[Patch 1.0.0.127: Graves] General Discussion - Page 127
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22663 Posts
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
"It's like old people call all video games nintendo" "MOBA vs ARTS is like Soviet Russia vs USA space race" and "Calling this MOBA is like calling black people niggers" ...is this going anywhere more fun? =D Also Neo is totally abusing his pack of bloodthirsty wolves to slice up other parts of the forum. Not cool, not cool. :/ | ||
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unichan
United States4223 Posts
On October 28 2011 08:06 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: That brings up an interesting point actually. If we go by the first one why don't we call them Aeon of Strifes? I'm reasonably sure DotA wasn't even the first of its kind... Because I don't know what an Aeon is and I don't care. And it sounds stupid. If I didn't play this game I'd be like I don't want to play an Aeon and Strifes because it sounds dweeby, the point is to attract players with nice normal words like "Multiplayer Online Battle Arena" instead of weirdo words like AEON OF STRIFUUUUUUUUUU | ||
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
On October 28 2011 08:05 Gorsameth wrote: So any news on when Dignitas is playing this out vs CDE? other then some time today. probably in an hour | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
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taLbuk
Madagascar1879 Posts
LoL is probably going to expand into all of those sub-types 3 years down the road other moba's just stick with aos like dota, some stick with arena like wow and blc | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On October 28 2011 08:09 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: Is it actually going to be streamed or will it just be on the player streams? They don't stream any of the WCG games. You'll have to probably watch from Chauster, Reginald, Dyrus, or saintvicious perspective (Xpecial didn't stream the earlier games). I dunno if Voyboy will stream, something tells me he probably won't. | ||
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Lorken
New Zealand804 Posts
I was hoping they would let me play Morgana after the nerf but she's still first ban. If they want to make her less op nerf her W and she'd be a lot less uselful. I've had to revert to playing Gragas all the time because nobody lets me play her  Also, everyone's named the genre MOBA, even if it didn't mean a thing that's the name that's going to stick to it for ever. EDIT: Finished one game of LoL now for two hours of TL/Reddit | ||
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myopia
United States2928 Posts
On October 28 2011 07:59 NeoIllusions wrote: You can't call an entire genre of games after the first of its type... That makes absolutely zero sense. It's worse than MOBA or ARTS (I'd take ARTS over DotA any day as a genre describer) But we do. 'Roguelikes' -> games like Rogue (though tbh this is the only example I can think of) I use dota-like, but the term leaves just as much to be desired as MOBA or ARTS, i.e. it doesn't relay a useful description to the uninformed. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 28 2011 08:00 overt wrote: Calling all MOBA/ARTS games DotA is like how old people call all video games Nintendo. Or how the genre derivative from the game "Rogue" are called "Roguelikes". Oh, wait... | ||
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
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HeroHenry
United States1723 Posts
On October 28 2011 08:05 Gorsameth wrote: So any news on when Dignitas is playing this out vs CDE? other then some time today. I heard it is this Sunday on regi's stream this morning. | ||
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c.Deadly
United States545 Posts
On October 28 2011 08:29 myopia wrote: But we do. 'Roguelikes' -> games like Rogue (though tbh this is the only example I can think of) I use dota-like, but the term leaves just as much to be desired as MOBA or ARTS, i.e. it doesn't relay a useful description to the uninformed. The purpose of an acronym shouldn't be to offer a useful or detailed description of a genre, otherwise they would be impossibly long. Acronym's are useful because you can attribute meaning to them that has nothing to do with the words they expand to. Think of RPG - almost any game is a "role playing game", the acronym does nothing to describe that the genre typically is a medieval/sci-fi setting, has a progression system of leveling-up, an epic storyline, etc.. but we know all of these things when someone says "RPG". This is why it's pointless to argue if one acronym is better than another, eventually the same meaning will be attributed to both so it doesn't make a difference. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On October 28 2011 09:27 c.Deadly wrote: The purpose of an acronym shouldn't be to offer a useful or detailed description of a genre, otherwise they would be impossibly long. Acronym's are useful because you can attribute meaning to them that has nothing to do with the words they expand to. Think of RPG - almost any game is a "role playing game", the acronym does nothing to describe that the genre typically is a medieval/sci-fi setting, has a progression system of leveling-up, an epic storyline, etc.. but we know all of these things when someone says "RPG". This is why it's pointless to argue if one acronym is better than another, eventually the same meaning will be attributed to both so it doesn't make a difference. The problem for people trying to argue against MOBA though is that MOBA already is what the community calls this genre of games. There are only two reasons this discussion is even happening and they both stem from the same thing. People who play DotA don't like games that aren't DotA. That's why they don't like the term MOBA because to them LoL/HoN are inferior (which is fine, they can have that opinion). The second reason is because Valve/Gabe Newell are trying to call DotA2 an Action RTS. However, while some people think this is them trying to rename the genre or do a one-up on Riot I think it's more because Valve knows and understands their market. They know that people who play DotA don't like the term MOBA, they know that the people who play DotA hardcore are elitists. These are the people they want to switch over and play DotA2. If they referred to DotA2 as a MOBA game the DotA community would not be happy about it. And so the discussion begins on whether it should be MOBA, ARTS, or just DotAlike. The problem with this discussion is that MOBA already is the term people use to refer to HoN/LoL/DotA/Realm of Titans/whatever other games are in the genre. The other problem is that it's essentially caving into DotA elitists who by and large are never going to play a game in the genre other than DotA. Valve knows their market and wants as many DotA players as possible to come over to DotA2. People who are still playing DotA and not HoN/LoL don't want their game lumped into the same category as games they view as copycats and inferior. It's an argument in semantics fueled by elitists. edit: Just wanted to point out that I'm not saying people who think MOBA is stupid or who prefer ARTS/DotAesqe are DotA elitist. I'm just pointing out that the only reason this discussion is happening is because the DotA community is filled with elitists. | ||
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Shiv.
3534 Posts
On October 28 2011 05:47 Craton wrote: She was there. That whole list is a waste of time, please don't post about it. Good thing we eventually deviated to this insanely useful and interesting discussion about what acronym should be used to describe LoL. Huehuehue. | ||
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seRapH
United States9830 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23447 Posts
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Nehsb
United States380 Posts
edit: Hmm, could not reproduce. | ||
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Jacobs Ladder
United States1705 Posts
On October 28 2011 10:00 seRapH wrote: So why did people stop playing solo mid AP soraka? I've been playing her again recently and she seems to beat a lot of people in lane. She beats a lot of APs mid. If the enemy team switchs lanes you get rocked by any bruiser or AD carry. She is also a lot less useful late game than a standard solo mid due to her limited offensive skill set. Its basically the LOL equivalent of cheese. If the enemy doesn't react well they lose, if they do you're in trouble. | ||
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