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On October 28 2011 07:07 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 07:05 Craton wrote:On October 28 2011 06:29 NeoIllusions wrote:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=279969For laughs, especially when Ack pulls out the "nigger" card on why using "MOBA" is evil and wrong. But I'm not wrong here, am I? Most of you who play LoL couldn't care less if our genre is called MOBA or whatnot? His reasoning is just trolol. Please just close that disgrace for a thread. I would but I'm already arguing ("argued" at this point...) with the OP so it might be a little biased. Other mods can take care of it if they so fit. Ack got warned (not by me) for pulling the "nigger" card, so I'm happy.
Why am I always being baited by our glorious elephant pen.. erh leader into those types of threads. =/
I went "Southsides little brother mode" (henceforth will be referred to as SSLBRMO) and won the discussion over there for glory. I think.
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I meant ACRTS. Ack sounds weird as hell to me.
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On October 28 2011 07:01 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 06:59 Seuss wrote:
MOBA is a bad acronym because it isn't catchy and can easily be mistaken for something other than an acronym when used in casual conversation. Terms like RPG, RTS, and FPS work well because it's obvious that they're acronyms, and they're all short enough (both in word count and syllables) to be easy to remember (even if the expanded acronym arguably doesn't properly describe the genre).
That's why Gabe Newell's "Action RTS" term is probably better. So your argument is that RPG, RTS and FPS are good because they're short, but you want to use Action RTS (4-5 syllables depending how you say action) instead of MOBA (2 syllables)?
When I said "syllables" I meant when you expand the acronym. RPG, FPS and RTS expand to words containing a total of 4-5 syllables. MOBA expands to 11 syllables. That makes it significantly harder to remember what it even stands for.
Action RTS is easier to remember (don't compress it to ARTS, screw that), builds on an established acronym and anyone aware of the RTS genre will be able to construct a vague idea of what it is without explanation. There's also precedent in that we already have "Action RPG" as an established term in gaming.
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wtf
where did you guys learn to pronounce acronyms*
your gradeschool teachers should all be fired
+ Show Spoiler +*okay technically it should be "where did you nerds learn to treat initialisms as acronyms" BUT YOU GET MY POINT
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On October 28 2011 07:38 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 07:01 Requizen wrote:On October 28 2011 06:59 Seuss wrote:
MOBA is a bad acronym because it isn't catchy and can easily be mistaken for something other than an acronym when used in casual conversation. Terms like RPG, RTS, and FPS work well because it's obvious that they're acronyms, and they're all short enough (both in word count and syllables) to be easy to remember (even if the expanded acronym arguably doesn't properly describe the genre).
That's why Gabe Newell's "Action RTS" term is probably better. So your argument is that RPG, RTS and FPS are good because they're short, but you want to use Action RTS (4-5 syllables depending how you say action) instead of MOBA (2 syllables)? When I said "syllables" I meant when you expand the acronym. RPG, FPS and RTS expand to words containing a total of 4-5 syllables. MOBA expands to 11 syllables. That makes it significantly harder to remember what it even stands for. Action RTS is easier to remember, builds on an established acronym and anyone aware of the RTS genre will be able to construct a vague idea of what it is without explanation. There's also precedent in that we already have "Action RPG" as an established term in gaming.
I don't understand all this anti-MOBA sentiment. It's an acronym that is already established. How are the number of syllables even a valid argument? It expands into four words, if you can't remember a four word acronym for a game genre you play then I don't know what to tell you.
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As much as I like scarra and Voyboy, this might be one of the few times that I'm not cheering for them. To me, CDE won (from my interpretation of the WCG rules) and this rematch is just a technicality. To advance on a technicality is real meh. :X
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On October 28 2011 07:34 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 07:07 NeoIllusions wrote:On October 28 2011 07:05 Craton wrote:On October 28 2011 06:29 NeoIllusions wrote:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=279969For laughs, especially when Ack pulls out the "nigger" card on why using "MOBA" is evil and wrong. But I'm not wrong here, am I? Most of you who play LoL couldn't care less if our genre is called MOBA or whatnot? His reasoning is just trolol. Please just close that disgrace for a thread. I would but I'm already arguing ("argued" at this point...) with the OP so it might be a little biased. Other mods can take care of it if they so fit. Ack got warned (not by me) for pulling the "nigger" card, so I'm happy. Why am I always being baited by our glorious elephant pen.. erh leader into those types of threads. =/ I went "Southsides little brother mode" (henceforth will be referred to as SSLBRMO) and won the discussion over there for glory. I think.
lolol...
Ok, I won't lie. Bringing up the link in this subforum was somewhat of a bait.
I hope you forgive me, r.Evo.
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On October 28 2011 07:44 c.Deadly wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 07:38 Seuss wrote:On October 28 2011 07:01 Requizen wrote:On October 28 2011 06:59 Seuss wrote:
MOBA is a bad acronym because it isn't catchy and can easily be mistaken for something other than an acronym when used in casual conversation. Terms like RPG, RTS, and FPS work well because it's obvious that they're acronyms, and they're all short enough (both in word count and syllables) to be easy to remember (even if the expanded acronym arguably doesn't properly describe the genre).
That's why Gabe Newell's "Action RTS" term is probably better. So your argument is that RPG, RTS and FPS are good because they're short, but you want to use Action RTS (4-5 syllables depending how you say action) instead of MOBA (2 syllables)? When I said "syllables" I meant when you expand the acronym. RPG, FPS and RTS expand to words containing a total of 4-5 syllables. MOBA expands to 11 syllables. That makes it significantly harder to remember what it even stands for. Action RTS is easier to remember, builds on an established acronym and anyone aware of the RTS genre will be able to construct a vague idea of what it is without explanation. There's also precedent in that we already have "Action RPG" as an established term in gaming. I don't understand all this anti-MOBA sentiment. It's an acronym that is already established. How are the number of syllables even a valid argument? It expands into four words, if you can't remember a four word acronym for a game genre you play then I don't know what to tell you.
MOBA was technically started by Guinsoo, he propelled it hard when he joined Riot and referred to LoL as a MOBA, it caught on.
Ever since Valve picked up DotA2, they've been pushing ARTS pretty hard (from what I can see). I think a lot of it has to do with which "camp" gets to name the genre.
Pretty silly if you ask me...
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I just call them Dota style games anyway. *shrug* Not sure why people care so much.
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On October 28 2011 07:49 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 07:44 c.Deadly wrote:On October 28 2011 07:38 Seuss wrote:On October 28 2011 07:01 Requizen wrote:On October 28 2011 06:59 Seuss wrote:
MOBA is a bad acronym because it isn't catchy and can easily be mistaken for something other than an acronym when used in casual conversation. Terms like RPG, RTS, and FPS work well because it's obvious that they're acronyms, and they're all short enough (both in word count and syllables) to be easy to remember (even if the expanded acronym arguably doesn't properly describe the genre).
That's why Gabe Newell's "Action RTS" term is probably better. So your argument is that RPG, RTS and FPS are good because they're short, but you want to use Action RTS (4-5 syllables depending how you say action) instead of MOBA (2 syllables)? When I said "syllables" I meant when you expand the acronym. RPG, FPS and RTS expand to words containing a total of 4-5 syllables. MOBA expands to 11 syllables. That makes it significantly harder to remember what it even stands for. Action RTS is easier to remember, builds on an established acronym and anyone aware of the RTS genre will be able to construct a vague idea of what it is without explanation. There's also precedent in that we already have "Action RPG" as an established term in gaming. I don't understand all this anti-MOBA sentiment. It's an acronym that is already established. How are the number of syllables even a valid argument? It expands into four words, if you can't remember a four word acronym for a game genre you play then I don't know what to tell you. MOBA was technically started by Guinsoo, he propelled it hard when he joined Riot and referred to LoL as a MOBA, it caught on. Ever since Valve picked up DotA2, they've been pushing ARTS pretty hard (from what I can see). I think a lot of it has to do with which "camp" gets to name the genre. Pretty silly if you ask me...
I think it might be more like whichever wins the name gets the game (or the player base or w/e) Think of it as like the U.S. vs Russia space race- you don't get anything worthwhile from walking on the moon but it shows you're winning.
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On October 28 2011 07:46 NeoIllusions wrote:
As much as I like scarra and Voyboy, this might be one of the few times that I'm not cheering for them. To me, CDE won (from my interpretation of the WCG rules) and this rematch is just a technicality. To advance on a technicality is real meh. :X
A real fanboy stands behind his team even in times when they look like shit ^_^ Don't worry Dignitas I'm still here! I want them to make it through just to see the anarchy that ensues cause I'm demented or something ^_^
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On October 28 2011 07:38 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 07:01 Requizen wrote:On October 28 2011 06:59 Seuss wrote:
MOBA is a bad acronym because it isn't catchy and can easily be mistaken for something other than an acronym when used in casual conversation. Terms like RPG, RTS, and FPS work well because it's obvious that they're acronyms, and they're all short enough (both in word count and syllables) to be easy to remember (even if the expanded acronym arguably doesn't properly describe the genre).
That's why Gabe Newell's "Action RTS" term is probably better. So your argument is that RPG, RTS and FPS are good because they're short, but you want to use Action RTS (4-5 syllables depending how you say action) instead of MOBA (2 syllables)? When I said "syllables" I meant when you expand the acronym. RPG, FPS and RTS expand to words containing a total of 4-5 syllables. MOBA expands to 11 syllables. That makes it significantly harder to remember what it even stands for.
What in the hell... you can't be serious
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On October 28 2011 07:44 c.Deadly wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 07:38 Seuss wrote:On October 28 2011 07:01 Requizen wrote:On October 28 2011 06:59 Seuss wrote:
MOBA is a bad acronym because it isn't catchy and can easily be mistaken for something other than an acronym when used in casual conversation. Terms like RPG, RTS, and FPS work well because it's obvious that they're acronyms, and they're all short enough (both in word count and syllables) to be easy to remember (even if the expanded acronym arguably doesn't properly describe the genre).
That's why Gabe Newell's "Action RTS" term is probably better. So your argument is that RPG, RTS and FPS are good because they're short, but you want to use Action RTS (4-5 syllables depending how you say action) instead of MOBA (2 syllables)? When I said "syllables" I meant when you expand the acronym. RPG, FPS and RTS expand to words containing a total of 4-5 syllables. MOBA expands to 11 syllables. That makes it significantly harder to remember what it even stands for. Action RTS is easier to remember, builds on an established acronym and anyone aware of the RTS genre will be able to construct a vague idea of what it is without explanation. There's also precedent in that we already have "Action RPG" as an established term in gaming. I don't understand all this anti-MOBA sentiment. It's an acronym that is already established. How are the number of syllables even a valid argument? It expands into four words, if you can't remember a four word acronym for a game genre you play then I don't know what to tell you.
I wouldn't call it "anti-MOBA" sentiment. Some people just think there are better acronyms/descriptions for various reasons. Arguably "DotA" is a more established term than either MOBA or Action RTS for these sorts of games.
I'm pretty sure if you pressed most people they wouldn't care in the end which of the three ends up "winning". I personally perversely enjoy semantic arguments.
On October 28 2011 07:55 lynx.oblige wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 07:38 Seuss wrote:On October 28 2011 07:01 Requizen wrote:On October 28 2011 06:59 Seuss wrote:
MOBA is a bad acronym because it isn't catchy and can easily be mistaken for something other than an acronym when used in casual conversation. Terms like RPG, RTS, and FPS work well because it's obvious that they're acronyms, and they're all short enough (both in word count and syllables) to be easy to remember (even if the expanded acronym arguably doesn't properly describe the genre).
That's why Gabe Newell's "Action RTS" term is probably better. So your argument is that RPG, RTS and FPS are good because they're short, but you want to use Action RTS (4-5 syllables depending how you say action) instead of MOBA (2 syllables)? When I said "syllables" I meant when you expand the acronym. RPG, FPS and RTS expand to words containing a total of 4-5 syllables. MOBA expands to 11 syllables. That makes it significantly harder to remember what it even stands for. What in the hell... you can't be serious
I submit to the court that on page 124 of this thread our very own NeoIllusions incorrectly identified the "M" in MOBA as "Massively". I challenge you to find a single case in the entire TL forums where someone screwed up any part of the RTS/RPG/FPS acronyms.
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On October 28 2011 07:54 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 07:46 NeoIllusions wrote:
As much as I like scarra and Voyboy, this might be one of the few times that I'm not cheering for them. To me, CDE won (from my interpretation of the WCG rules) and this rematch is just a technicality. To advance on a technicality is real meh. :X A real fanboy stands behind his team even in times when they look like shit ^_^ Don't worry Dignitas I'm still here! I want them to make it through just to see the anarchy that ensues cause I'm demented or something ^_^
teehee
But it's not really fanboyism. It's "do you think they really deserved to advance in the spirit of fair competition?". The logical being in me says "no". Sry :<
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On October 28 2011 07:54 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 07:46 NeoIllusions wrote:
As much as I like scarra and Voyboy, this might be one of the few times that I'm not cheering for them. To me, CDE won (from my interpretation of the WCG rules) and this rematch is just a technicality. To advance on a technicality is real meh. :X A real fanboy stands behind his team even in times when they look like shit ^_^ Don't worry Dignitas I'm still here! I want them to make it through just to see the anarchy that ensues cause I'm demented or something ^_^
I want CDE to win but knowing that Voyboy got death threats made me take a step back and decide that even if Dignitas wins tonight I'm not gonna care too much.
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On October 28 2011 07:56 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 07:44 c.Deadly wrote:On October 28 2011 07:38 Seuss wrote:On October 28 2011 07:01 Requizen wrote:On October 28 2011 06:59 Seuss wrote:
MOBA is a bad acronym because it isn't catchy and can easily be mistaken for something other than an acronym when used in casual conversation. Terms like RPG, RTS, and FPS work well because it's obvious that they're acronyms, and they're all short enough (both in word count and syllables) to be easy to remember (even if the expanded acronym arguably doesn't properly describe the genre).
That's why Gabe Newell's "Action RTS" term is probably better. So your argument is that RPG, RTS and FPS are good because they're short, but you want to use Action RTS (4-5 syllables depending how you say action) instead of MOBA (2 syllables)? When I said "syllables" I meant when you expand the acronym. RPG, FPS and RTS expand to words containing a total of 4-5 syllables. MOBA expands to 11 syllables. That makes it significantly harder to remember what it even stands for. Action RTS is easier to remember, builds on an established acronym and anyone aware of the RTS genre will be able to construct a vague idea of what it is without explanation. There's also precedent in that we already have "Action RPG" as an established term in gaming. I don't understand all this anti-MOBA sentiment. It's an acronym that is already established. How are the number of syllables even a valid argument? It expands into four words, if you can't remember a four word acronym for a game genre you play then I don't know what to tell you. I wouldn't call it "anti-MOBA" sentiment. Some people just think there are better acronyms/descriptions for various reasons. Arguably "DotA" is a more established term than either MOBA or Action RTS for these sorts of games. I'm pretty sure if you pressed most people they wouldn't care in the end which of the three ends up "winning". I personally perversely enjoy semantic arguments.
You can't call an entire genre of games after the first of its type...
That makes absolutely zero sense. It's worse than MOBA or ARTS (I'd take ARTS over DotA any day as a genre describer)
Otherwise, we'd be finding BroodWars and StarCraft2 at the C&C aisle at Best Buy.
wut?
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Calling all MOBA/ARTS games DotA is like how old people call all video games Nintendo.
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On October 28 2011 07:56 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 07:54 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On October 28 2011 07:46 NeoIllusions wrote:
As much as I like scarra and Voyboy, this might be one of the few times that I'm not cheering for them. To me, CDE won (from my interpretation of the WCG rules) and this rematch is just a technicality. To advance on a technicality is real meh. :X A real fanboy stands behind his team even in times when they look like shit ^_^ Don't worry Dignitas I'm still here! I want them to make it through just to see the anarchy that ensues cause I'm demented or something ^_^ teehee But it's not really fanboyism. It's "do you think they really deserved to advance in the spirit of fair competition?". The logical being in me says "no". Sry :<
The logical being in me says no, but the fanboy in me says I shouldn't care. No matter how things turn out things should be interesting tonight so everybody wins in the end...Assuming they're voting for chaos ^_^
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On October 28 2011 07:59 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 07:56 Seuss wrote:On October 28 2011 07:44 c.Deadly wrote:On October 28 2011 07:38 Seuss wrote:On October 28 2011 07:01 Requizen wrote:On October 28 2011 06:59 Seuss wrote:
MOBA is a bad acronym because it isn't catchy and can easily be mistaken for something other than an acronym when used in casual conversation. Terms like RPG, RTS, and FPS work well because it's obvious that they're acronyms, and they're all short enough (both in word count and syllables) to be easy to remember (even if the expanded acronym arguably doesn't properly describe the genre).
That's why Gabe Newell's "Action RTS" term is probably better. So your argument is that RPG, RTS and FPS are good because they're short, but you want to use Action RTS (4-5 syllables depending how you say action) instead of MOBA (2 syllables)? When I said "syllables" I meant when you expand the acronym. RPG, FPS and RTS expand to words containing a total of 4-5 syllables. MOBA expands to 11 syllables. That makes it significantly harder to remember what it even stands for. Action RTS is easier to remember, builds on an established acronym and anyone aware of the RTS genre will be able to construct a vague idea of what it is without explanation. There's also precedent in that we already have "Action RPG" as an established term in gaming. I don't understand all this anti-MOBA sentiment. It's an acronym that is already established. How are the number of syllables even a valid argument? It expands into four words, if you can't remember a four word acronym for a game genre you play then I don't know what to tell you. I wouldn't call it "anti-MOBA" sentiment. Some people just think there are better acronyms/descriptions for various reasons. Arguably "DotA" is a more established term than either MOBA or Action RTS for these sorts of games. I'm pretty sure if you pressed most people they wouldn't care in the end which of the three ends up "winning". I personally perversely enjoy semantic arguments. You can't call an entire genre of games after the first of its type... That makes absolutely zero sense. It's worse than MOBA or ARTS (I'd take ARTS over DotA any day as a genre describer) Otherwise, we'd be finding BroodWars and StarCraft2 at the C&C aisle at Best Buy. wut?
It's what people did forever when there were a million DotA knockoffs in WC3. Everything was "<Name> DotA". I mean, even today we have Blizzard DotA. There aren't any Ancients being defended but it's still got "DotA" in the title so people know what the heck it is.
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u guys are silly
its a moba
sr is an aos
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