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Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
March 18 2011 15:51 GMT
#9901
On March 18 2011 23:14 Chrispy wrote:
I'm sure it's not like there's a golden fucking rule above Riot Offices that says "If thy skill haseth a utility use, there shall be'th nay AD scaling." It's more of a guideline to follow, aka Ashe doesn't need AD scaling on her ult.


Counterpoint: Hurrrgot's R (but he's OP)
tree.hugger: Coming off of [(T)fantasy v. (T)Really] into [(T)Barracks v. (T)MVP] is like coming out of Manhattan into New Jersey. You just have to speed up and ignore it.
0123456789
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3216 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-18 16:04:09
March 18 2011 15:54 GMT
#9902
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-18 15:57:33
March 18 2011 15:56 GMT
#9903
On March 18 2011 23:40 spinesheath wrote:
Well I do agree that Ashe's ult doesn't need AD scaling. Wouldn't change anything anyways. Ashe could use some help for her earlygame though...

Imo the main reason why ranged DPS is dropping in power (aside from the introduction of champs like Irelia and Nocturne, lol) is the item changes Riot has made. IE was nerfed, LW doesn't provide ASpd anymore, Sheen/Triforce was buffed and plenty of tanky DPS make good use of it. Many burst casters can abuse ranged DPS ever since Deathcap found its way into the game. Banshee's Veil was nerfed again and again.
Those changes mean that now as a ranged DPS you don't shine with just an IE. LW doesn't give you great DPS either, you still lack ASpd. In the mean time, tanky DPS can build very useful parts of Triforce while grabbing some tank items as necessary. Ranged DPS needs some 10k to have a well rounded build (lacking defense though) while tanky DPS can always buy some 1.5k item to balance out their builds at any point in the game.

Enough ranting.

Triforce OP; I have said it before.

What Ashe REALLY needs:
Q: 14/18/22/26/30% + (0.1*AP)% slow, capped at 50% bonus slow (500 AP).
R: 1.5 AP ratio


I would just like to point out that a good Kog Maw doesn't get any of these nerfed items except maybe BV. I know it doesn't *really* address all the complaints people have listed about Kog, and attack speed TF of all things is most likely a better solo pick than attack speed Kog just because of stun and ult, but if this is your reasoning then Kog Maw certainly has something going for him that other ranged dps don't, even if he lacks cc/true escape and tanky DPS have been buffed overall.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
locodoco
Profile Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1615 Posts
March 18 2011 16:22 GMT
#9904
kiruur get 1.4k viewers on her first day streaming
fuck league of legends
i wish riot would give me better ping
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23342 Posts
March 18 2011 16:59 GMT
#9905
Hey, I heard girls playing games gets a lot of viewers in EVERY game.
Unless you can pull a trick like that Thai singer you're out of luck.
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
March 18 2011 17:00 GMT
#9906
there's a guy on her vent that rly sounds like u
cool beans
locodoco
Profile Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1615 Posts
March 18 2011 17:15 GMT
#9907
On March 19 2011 02:00 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
there's a guy on her vent that rly sounds like u

-.-;;
i wish riot would give me better ping
locodoco
Profile Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1615 Posts
March 18 2011 17:18 GMT
#9908
does he also play trist as well as me?
i wish riot would give me better ping
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
March 18 2011 17:37 GMT
#9909
On March 18 2011 23:09 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2011 22:20 Chrispy wrote:
On March 18 2011 15:16 locodoco wrote:
On March 18 2011 15:08 Two_DoWn wrote:
So basically you are arguing for a survivability buff on all ranged carries or a damage nerf on everyone else.

im okay with their survivability and being fragile long as they get good scaling.
things i want
-the final offense mastery to work from bonus damage from items,it currently doesnt
-give every ad carry ad scaling on everysingle one of their skills,trist ult and ashe ult are the 2 big ones.
-better end game itemization,for alot of carrys after their core items(ie + lw or cleaver + sheen + manamune for corki) its really iffy to buy anything else for damage,cleaver is shit if u already have lw,thirster is shit if their bruiser is strong,bloodrazor is shit if they have decent amount of mr. for bruisers and tanks and mages they never really reach a item cap until they get 6 items
thats all i can think of
tl dr:im okay with carrys being glass cannons,but if ur gonna make them glass cannons make sure they hit like cannons


I like what Phreak said about this. He said would you still use your ability even if it did zero damage? If yes then it doesn't need AD scaling. Ashe's ult needs a buff? R U 4 RELA? That shit is god like.

How does that even make sense? The ability can have an use even if it deals no dmg, yes, but that doesn't mean it's balanced.

That actually makes perfect sense. I'd ECA if it did no damage. I'd fling if it did no damage. I'd use every silence ever if it did no damage.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
March 18 2011 17:38 GMT
#9910
And wtf kiruur streaming 1.4k viewers REALLY?
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-18 17:47:25
March 18 2011 17:45 GMT
#9911
I'd use sion's stun and shield even if they had no AP ratios...but it doesn't mean it'd be fair to sion to remove those AP ratios...

Conversely, people still had to use Ezreal's ulti even when it had no AD ratio simply because they had it, but they went ahead and added AD ratio to it, and the game didn't break. Adding AD ratio to buster shot wouldn't break anything.

Almost all skills are worth using because you HAVE them, but it doesn't mean they can't be tweaked to be better... I don't really understand phreak's point.

The numerical damage of skills is an important aspect of balance in addition to their utility. Seems like a real cop-out answer to say otherwise.
Hynda
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden2226 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-18 17:56:46
March 18 2011 17:52 GMT
#9912
Feels like riot is just taking the piss atm. to buy 1 6300 champions it takes 89 games. (not counting the daily first, and lets say you want to do this over a two week period it's still 60 games, that's ridiculous). It has gone from a free to play to the largest money grubber out there, it's sad.

This ofcourse asuming that you win every single game you play.
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
March 18 2011 17:59 GMT
#9913
I think one thing they mentioned was that on some champions they have AP ratios just so that if you happen to get any AP (trinity force tanky meta lolololollol) it doesn't feel like a waste.

I think that's the reason more than anything else, they just like mixing things up for no particular reason. As long as the skills are balanced numerically it doesn't make a difference unless you want to shift early/late playstyles on a champ.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
March 18 2011 18:30 GMT
#9914
[image loading]


I'll be real depressed when they nerf Alistar
"trash micro but win - its marine" MC commentary during HSC 4
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
March 18 2011 18:55 GMT
#9915
On March 18 2011 23:00 Mogwai wrote:
so I've picked up leblanc and I have to say that she's the stupidest, most of obnoxious piece of shit character ever invented. no wonder Maknoob plays her.

Panth and now Leblanc? You and Maknoon are fucking assholes. Though Maknoon wins the asshole contest because he used to main Corki.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
March 18 2011 19:02 GMT
#9916
http://blog.fileplanet.com/2011/03/17/video-game-drinks-too-many-hics/

singed themed drink- the insanity potion:
Ingredients:
- 1 oz Apple Schnapps
- 1 oz Lucid Absinthe
- 4 oz Mountain Dew or Sprite
- In small whiskey Beaker, pour 4 oz of soda of choice
- Pour 1 oz of Apple Schnapps
- Drink half of the beaker, then pour absinthe over the remaining half
- Quickly chug the last half of the drink

sounds tasty
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
March 18 2011 19:21 GMT
#9917
absinthe is pretty gross, no idea why anyone in north america would put that filth into their body

it's like drinking 140 proof mouthwash
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
March 18 2011 19:25 GMT
#9918
On March 19 2011 04:21 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
absinthe is pretty gross, no idea why anyone in north america would put that filth into their body

it's like drinking 140 proof mouthwash


hence insanity potion
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
March 18 2011 19:47 GMT
#9919
So, i am thinking of buying Garen when i get enough points. Good or bad idea?
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23342 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-18 19:49:32
March 18 2011 19:49 GMT
#9920
Bad. He's only good if you can dominate your bottom lane really hard.
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