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Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
March 18 2011 13:20 GMT
#9881
On March 18 2011 15:16 locodoco wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2011 15:08 Two_DoWn wrote:
So basically you are arguing for a survivability buff on all ranged carries or a damage nerf on everyone else.

im okay with their survivability and being fragile long as they get good scaling.
things i want
-the final offense mastery to work from bonus damage from items,it currently doesnt
-give every ad carry ad scaling on everysingle one of their skills,trist ult and ashe ult are the 2 big ones.
-better end game itemization,for alot of carrys after their core items(ie + lw or cleaver + sheen + manamune for corki) its really iffy to buy anything else for damage,cleaver is shit if u already have lw,thirster is shit if their bruiser is strong,bloodrazor is shit if they have decent amount of mr. for bruisers and tanks and mages they never really reach a item cap until they get 6 items
thats all i can think of
tl dr:im okay with carrys being glass cannons,but if ur gonna make them glass cannons make sure they hit like cannons


I like what Phreak said about this. He said would you still use your ability even if it did zero damage? If yes then it doesn't need AD scaling. Ashe's ult needs a buff? R U 4 RELA? That shit is god like.
Retvrn to Forvms
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
March 18 2011 13:21 GMT
#9882
the problem with Kogmaw is that Poppy hard counters him
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-18 13:34:29
March 18 2011 13:31 GMT
#9883
On March 18 2011 22:21 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
the problem with Kogmaw is that Poppy hard counters him

lol.
Poppy counters like every ranged carry ever. Poppy hard counters Ashe the most and look how op Ashe is...

Also, ITT ranged carry players sad they can't win games by right-clicking.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
March 18 2011 14:00 GMT
#9884
so I've picked up leblanc and I have to say that she's the stupidest, most of obnoxious piece of shit character ever invented. no wonder Maknoob plays her.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
March 18 2011 14:04 GMT
#9885
I really haven't seen a ranged dps crush by himself in a long time. They feel like a really big liability most of the time, like locodoco said, and even the ones that are good early (like urgot) are not very strong late game compared to bruisers and tanks.
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
March 18 2011 14:05 GMT
#9886
On March 18 2011 21:17 phyvo wrote:
With all these tanky deeps Kog maw must be viable amirite?

But seriously Kog Maw nearly has free madred's, what would happen if you just slammed as much DPS on him as you can and then built FM for kiting or other survivability to stop dying, just like tanky deeps do, so that you outdo the melee DPS with imba auto attack steroid and it's imba synergy with cheap items like Malady? HP stacking won't help them, armor stacking won't help them, the only thing they can stack is MR which would leave a good opening for people on your team who do physical damage.


Kogmaw gets shit on by bruisers because although his dps is high he has no cc and no escape mechanisms. So once you're on him he's basically dead.


As much as I love icathian surprise he really probably needs a passive that doesn't involve him dying.
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 18 2011 14:09 GMT
#9887
On March 18 2011 22:20 Chrispy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2011 15:16 locodoco wrote:
On March 18 2011 15:08 Two_DoWn wrote:
So basically you are arguing for a survivability buff on all ranged carries or a damage nerf on everyone else.

im okay with their survivability and being fragile long as they get good scaling.
things i want
-the final offense mastery to work from bonus damage from items,it currently doesnt
-give every ad carry ad scaling on everysingle one of their skills,trist ult and ashe ult are the 2 big ones.
-better end game itemization,for alot of carrys after their core items(ie + lw or cleaver + sheen + manamune for corki) its really iffy to buy anything else for damage,cleaver is shit if u already have lw,thirster is shit if their bruiser is strong,bloodrazor is shit if they have decent amount of mr. for bruisers and tanks and mages they never really reach a item cap until they get 6 items
thats all i can think of
tl dr:im okay with carrys being glass cannons,but if ur gonna make them glass cannons make sure they hit like cannons


I like what Phreak said about this. He said would you still use your ability even if it did zero damage? If yes then it doesn't need AD scaling. Ashe's ult needs a buff? R U 4 RELA? That shit is god like.

How does that even make sense? The ability can have an use even if it deals no dmg, yes, but that doesn't mean it's balanced.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
March 18 2011 14:14 GMT
#9888
I'm sure it's not like there's a golden fucking rule above Riot Offices that says "If thy skill haseth a utility use, there shall be'th nay AD scaling." It's more of a guideline to follow, aka Ashe doesn't need AD scaling on her ult.
Retvrn to Forvms
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
March 18 2011 14:40 GMT
#9889
Well I do agree that Ashe's ult doesn't need AD scaling. Wouldn't change anything anyways. Ashe could use some help for her earlygame though...

Imo the main reason why ranged DPS is dropping in power (aside from the introduction of champs like Irelia and Nocturne, lol) is the item changes Riot has made. IE was nerfed, LW doesn't provide ASpd anymore, Sheen/Triforce was buffed and plenty of tanky DPS make good use of it. Many burst casters can abuse ranged DPS ever since Deathcap found its way into the game. Banshee's Veil was nerfed again and again.
Those changes mean that now as a ranged DPS you don't shine with just an IE. LW doesn't give you great DPS either, you still lack ASpd. In the mean time, tanky DPS can build very useful parts of Triforce while grabbing some tank items as necessary. Ranged DPS needs some 10k to have a well rounded build (lacking defense though) while tanky DPS can always buy some 1.5k item to balance out their builds at any point in the game.

Enough ranting.

Triforce OP; I have said it before.

What Ashe REALLY needs:
Q: 14/18/22/26/30% + (0.1*AP)% slow, capped at 50% bonus slow (500 AP).
R: 1.5 AP ratio
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
0123456789
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3216 Posts
March 18 2011 14:48 GMT
#9890
New resolution, never queue in the mornings.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
March 18 2011 14:50 GMT
#9891
On March 18 2011 23:48 0123456789 wrote:
New resolution, never queue in the mornings.

did you lose 70 points too?
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-18 14:51:25
March 18 2011 14:50 GMT
#9892
On March 18 2011 23:48 0123456789 wrote:
New resolution, never queue in the mornings.


I learned that it's usually not a good idea to queue before PST prime time. Your chance of getting non-english speaking players is too high.
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 18 2011 15:06 GMT
#9893
On March 18 2011 23:40 spinesheath wrote:
Well I do agree that Ashe's ult doesn't need AD scaling. Wouldn't change anything anyways. Ashe could use some help for her earlygame though...

Imo the main reason why ranged DPS is dropping in power (aside from the introduction of champs like Irelia and Nocturne, lol) is the item changes Riot has made. IE was nerfed, LW doesn't provide ASpd anymore, Sheen/Triforce was buffed and plenty of tanky DPS make good use of it.

This imo was really dumb qq they ruined LW.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-18 15:14:25
March 18 2011 15:12 GMT
#9894
On March 19 2011 00:06 Shikyo wrote:
This imo was really dumb qq they ruined LW.

To be fair, I think there was good reason to nerf it--seeing as LW was pretty much the only attack speed item anyone ever bought just because it was so much better than SotD/Wit's End/PD/etc.
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Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
March 18 2011 15:17 GMT
#9895
On March 19 2011 00:12 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2011 00:06 Shikyo wrote:
This imo was really dumb qq they ruined LW.

To be fair, I think there was good reason to nerf it--seeing as LW was pretty much the only attack speed item anyone ever bought just because it was so much better than SotD/Wit's End/PD/etc.


And also made it better for champs that didn't really want ASP (like ezreal)
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-18 15:37:14
March 18 2011 15:32 GMT
#9896
btw is it just me that feels HoG is OP? im thinking it'll be nerfed soon.
3 hog rush rammus just 2 good. start with 74 armour at lvl 1 wat?

also hog irelia,ww,irelia,olaf,malphite,xinzhao,jarvan,nocturne,herpderplistallmeleechampsjk
cool beans
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23460 Posts
March 18 2011 15:40 GMT
#9897
Poppy hard counters league of legends such an underrated champ IMO.
aka Teutonica
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 18 2011 15:44 GMT
#9898
On March 19 2011 00:12 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2011 00:06 Shikyo wrote:
This imo was really dumb qq they ruined LW.

To be fair, I think there was good reason to nerf it--seeing as LW was pretty much the only attack speed item anyone ever bought just because it was so much better than SotD/Wit's End/PD/etc.

rather buff those imo
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
March 18 2011 15:48 GMT
#9899
On March 19 2011 00:40 Slayer91 wrote:
Poppy hard counters league of legends such an underrated champ IMO.

She's getting better with every Banshee's nerf. I always get sad when my enemies get it and I am Poppy...
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
0123456789
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3216 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-18 15:56:05
March 18 2011 15:50 GMT
#9900
Playing in the mornings feels even more like a roll of the dice. You get really stretched out games with at least 300+ elo differentials.
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