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Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
July 26 2011 04:43 GMT
#23021
If MK can't jungle, I srsly doubt he'll be any good in the current meta. He can't really solo mid against those big AP burst champs by virtue of being melee with no sustain. Top lane is dominated by super sustain beasts to against whom even Jarman has trouble laning against. MK has no sustain, so top's out of the question as well. Bot lane is possible, but any good support/carry should be able to punish MK pretty easily.

But invis+gap closer+aoe knockup/speedboost would be an amazing set for a jungler to have
arnath
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1317 Posts
July 26 2011 04:45 GMT
#23022
But how do you manage to jungle with no sustain and no aoe?
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-26 04:47:45
July 26 2011 04:47 GMT
#23023
On July 26 2011 13:45 arnath wrote:
But how do you manage to jungle with no sustain and no aoe?

Probably start with small camps. He has aoe in the form of nimbus strike or w/e his E is called.

I'm guessing somethin like Wraiths (smite) -> wolves -> minigolems. Recall then wraiths->wolves->blue, etc...
Or you can have someone help you a lot with blue/red then go for a lvl 2 gank or smth
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-26 05:01:16
July 26 2011 04:57 GMT
#23024
he will get destroyed in top by the usual sustain laners, he gets destroyed in mid by the burst ap, he will waste a ranged ad carry slot bottom.
if he cant jungle, i dont see his use.


edit: oh im late to the party, sry.
Also, he can probably do the long farm route: wolves, wraiths, double golem, recall, full jungle starting at blue.
red_b
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1267 Posts
July 26 2011 04:59 GMT
#23025
corki still good imoimoimo but obviously not quite as strong.

jax getting ratio back, which I like.

annie nerfs feel appropriate.

sorry if you like kayle, but frankly Im pretty happy with this patch.
Those small maps were like a boxing match in a phone booth.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
July 26 2011 05:01 GMT
#23026
dVeloped: I talked to phreak about him
dVeloped: he said very underpowered

(When speaking about monkeyking in champ select)
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HyperionDreamer
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada1528 Posts
July 26 2011 05:02 GMT
#23027
On a completely unrelated note, your guys' opinion of Hexdrinker as an item?

I just played against a team of Morde/Shen/Garen/Ezreal/Soraka as Jarvan/Tristana/Anivia/Cassiopeia/Janna, and our carries were dumb enough not to build any MRes, so morde was routinely 2 shotting our Trist with his Q and ult. I was trying to think after the game finished what I would do playing one of my standard AP's and AD's. For AP, I'd probably build a Bveil or Abyssal Scepter, just any item that gives a decent amount of MR, and the spell shield on Bveil would help a lot.... For AD though, I was hard-pressed to come up with an item other than Wits End that would give me some offensive stats plus any defense against the inevitable morde combo. I thought of Hexdrinker as an alternative, but a 300 damage shield isn't really going to do much against a 468 AP morde...

Thoughts on the item in general?
BW4life! Jaedong ~ Savior ~ Shine ; "drowning sorrows in late night infomercials" - bnYsooch
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-26 05:12:53
July 26 2011 05:12 GMT
#23028
On July 26 2011 13:45 arnath wrote:
But how do you manage to jungle with no sustain and no aoe?

W and E are both AoE.

And not having natural sustain is absolutely not a problem in jungle-- see Amumu/Jarvan/Shaco/Rammus/etc.
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UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-26 05:26:47
July 26 2011 05:23 GMT
#23029
On May 02 2011 18:54 locodoco wrote:
pending luck
i can go 1700~2k in a 2~3 days
i can go 2k~2.1k in a 3~4 days
but 1400~1600 is a fucking week long job
every single time


you give me hope loco

somebody said on here that if you can't get 1500 within 100 games you are retarded

so now that I've started playing ranked my goal is 1500 within 100 games, in other words my goal is not to be a retard

was within 20 points with 50 games played

a pathetic 1425 a few games later... I'm working on it!
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
July 26 2011 05:47 GMT
#23030
DoubleLift might be homeless?

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/izt4n/hi_im_doublelift_formerly_of_team_eg_and_today_i/
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
July 26 2011 06:13 GMT
#23031
Just played a ranked game where we had 1% chance of winning after losing another fight and the enemy team went to baron to seal the game. Then our Orianna ults to steal baron and although we end up losing pretty much every fight after that too, we took enough towers and inhibs in the end to win. Pretty much with one play our Orianna turned a sure loss into a huge advantage.
Seiuchi
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States931 Posts
July 26 2011 06:15 GMT
#23032
On July 26 2011 15:13 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Just played a ranked game where we had 1% chance of winning after losing another fight and the enemy team went to baron to seal the game. Then our Orianna ults to steal baron and although we end up losing pretty much every fight after that too, we took enough towers and inhibs in the end to win. Pretty much with one play our Orianna turned a sure loss into a huge advantage.


You had Orianna, your chance of winning was more than 1%.

I couldn't believe she got barely touched this patch. I was expecting some base value nerfs on her spells or something and instead now that I finally hit 1600 I can abuse her more to hopefully hit 1700.
r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
July 26 2011 06:16 GMT
#23033
On July 26 2011 14:47 overt wrote:
DoubleLift might be homeless?

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/izt4n/hi_im_doublelift_formerly_of_team_eg_and_today_i/

That's really bad Damn asian parents... Not to mention, BAD FOR ESPORTS.


Also can't wait for the patch, most of those changes I'd have to play the characters to decide if they're good or not.
Corki looks dead, Cassiopeia looks more beast than ever, pirate is now a shit jungler, Orianna still beast, Maokai is still hella fun and Galio looks meh. JUST GIVE US BACK GALIOS E YOU SCRUBS.
broz0rs
Profile Joined July 2008
United States2294 Posts
July 26 2011 06:20 GMT
#23034
On July 26 2011 14:47 overt wrote:
DoubleLift might be homeless?

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/izt4n/hi_im_doublelift_formerly_of_team_eg_and_today_i/


poor DoubleLift.. Asian moms can be such bitches sometimes.

If i were to give my honest advice, I'd tell him to put his personal feelings aside and kow tow to his mom to accept him back. Just let the poor woman vent.

Or he can also go to his financial aid office at his school and apply for financial aid and work. I'm sure he can get at least a work study since school has not started.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-26 06:40:25
July 26 2011 06:32 GMT
#23035
On July 26 2011 13:14 0123456789 wrote:
Unfucking believable. Monkey king is easily OP material. I just hope he costs like 4800 so I can buy him and abuse his ass.

Corki nerf was needed. Blind made trying to fight him in lane impossible, he did too much dmg, his r was like a nuke, not a poke. Corki came out relatively unscathed except for the q dmg nerf, which imo was not needed. Now an auto attack does almost the same dmg lvl 1.

I like the annie nerf, really good.

Ok, let's talk about monkey king. He has a leap, an invis escape, something like empower but better, and ult is a CC. Already a godlike lane beast, with I would say good transition out of it.


About Corki... I agree on some dmg reduction, but removing the blind completely seems insanely huge. That blind was a huge part of making him solid imho. Now he's just another ranged AD carry.

Cait/Trist/Ashe T1 for ADs.

EDIT: WHO THE F*** SENT JANNA TO THE SOLARIUM? W T F .
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
July 26 2011 06:33 GMT
#23036
Anyone else notice how Riot employees only play broken champions? Eski used to play around in ranked with champs like Teemo and now he plays Orianna every game. Phreak only plays Corki + Orianna. There's this other employee that only plays Fiddle.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
locodoco
Profile Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1615 Posts
July 26 2011 06:34 GMT
#23037
no matter how bad ur parents are its always fucking better to stay with them than be homeless
i wish riot would give me better ping
Seiuchi
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States931 Posts
July 26 2011 06:38 GMT
#23038
On July 26 2011 15:33 HazMat wrote:
Anyone else notice how Riot employees only play broken champions? Eski used to play around in ranked with champs like Teemo and now he plays Orianna every game. Phreak only plays Corki + Orianna. There's this other employee that only plays Fiddle.


Pretty sure Eski got too satisfied playing Rumble after he discovered him to go back to balanced champs.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
July 26 2011 06:41 GMT
#23039
New General Discussion started for the new patch.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=247773
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