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On March 18 2011 13:52 Ecael wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 13:46 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On March 18 2011 13:28 0123456789 wrote:On March 18 2011 13:20 mrgerry wrote:
they still scale the best damage wise (melee have to tank for the most part)
oh em gee casters burst
when you attack from range you can hit better targets and more shots seems more sustained to me
you mean a team with good amounts of cc makes a carry job easier... mind blown
Sounds like you had some bad games and just took it out on the forums but i responded anyway~ All ranged carries have going for them is range, meaning they constantly need to get better positioning just have to jump in to tell you this makes no sense at all~ now i'm going afk so i automatically win, i'm right, #1 high elo player fakesteve Steve, think of it as how we need to micro M&M back against lurkerling. All M&M has is range and mobility, so they need to constantly kite and get position for them to auto with. Tanky dps on the other hand be ultras, you just a click a location and that's that.
or, if you have a big econ, you go 12 rax SK and mow it all down
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You also need to consider when Riot were balancing ranged dps vs melee dps, the melee dps at the time were jax (small niche), olaf, ww (many played him more dps than the standard tanky dps he plays as now, plus he's more magic damage than anything), xin, trynd (needs a lot of farm), yi (squishy), and garen who at the time was just sunfire stack herp derp. (udyr at the time was basically just a tanky stunbot)
Then they came out with really powerful melee dps like renekton, irelia, and jarvan who were not only similar to olaf/xin, but also had everything a melee dps really needs with cc, a dash, and high base stats. These champs kind of make champs like jax and garen look like utter trash, because they could just build really tanky and still do tons of damage with little damage items, similar to how xin and olaf could. It also kind of helped create a really tanky metagame where melee dps can just build tanky and still do a ton of damage, so they can get into your face, kill you, and not die. That's something ranged carries can't possibly do, and it completely destroys ranged carries whose team doesn't have a ton of cc to protect them.
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On March 18 2011 15:52 BlackPaladin wrote:
You also need to consider when Riot were balancing ranged dps vs melee dps, the melee dps at the time were jax (small niche), olaf, ww (many played him more dps than the standard tanky dps he plays as now, plus he's more magic damage than anything), xin, trynd (needs a lot of farm), yi (squishy), and garen who at the time was just sunfire stack herp derp. (udyr at the time was basically just a tanky stunbot)
Then they came out with really powerful melee dps like renekton, irelia, and jarvan who were not only similar to olaf/xin, but also had everything a melee dps really needs with cc, a dash, and high base stats. These champs kind of make champs like jax and garen look like utter trash, because they could just build really tanky and still do tons of damage with little damage items, similar to how xin and olaf could. It also kind of helped create a really tanky metagame where melee dps can just build tanky and still do a ton of damage, so they can get into your face, kill you, and not die. That's something ranged carries can't possibly do, and it completely destroys ranged carries whose team doesn't have a ton of cc to protect them.
Yep.
ALWAYS KILL NEVER DIE = easiest way to win in LoL
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Irelia rene and jarvan are ALL very clearly stronger than the rest of the melee DPS which needs to be looked at.
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No the problem is all the melee dps like the above posters stated. Free dash = gg range carry positioning. Very hard to outposition them due to dash, because irelia sure isn't going to bladesurge a tank.
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ranged carries used to be faster and have more health (banshee's nerfs) and have more damage (inf edge nerf). and they were totally imba
now they don't and they aren't
idk if all those things together was too much but at least one deserved it
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leblanc is funny as shit, so stupid.
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i just dont like not being able to open dblade :{
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Does anyone still stack d-blades early game even if you don't open shield?
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On March 18 2011 18:36 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Does anyone still stack d-blades early game even if you don't open shield?
I only do this on Caitlynn because she's more or less the only champion on which I'm almost guaranteed to not take more harassment damage than I dish out.
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Surprise surprise. Guess why I have been trying to stop calling them carries and instead saying ranged DPS? I stopped trying to hardcarry with ranged DPS quite a while ago... Because I was so reliant on protection that it didn't seem reasonable.
Ranged DPS doesn't carry games, 100% true.
Yeah I know this makes me sounds like an idiot.
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Good old "is there anything that can be called carry?" discussion coming back to TL 
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On March 18 2011 19:41 Kaniol wrote:Good old "is there anything that can be called carry?" discussion coming back to TL
I don't think we have even reached a conclusion in the Tank thread (huehuehue).
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LOL who is this ano shipal guy? Is he some kind of smurf? I see him only playing trynd and not even doing too well, yet now he is calling Dyrus a "one trick singed pony"
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On March 18 2011 20:07 Kaniol wrote:
LOL who is this ano shipal guy? Is he some kind of smurf? I see him only playing trynd and not even doing too well, yet now he is calling Dyrus a "one trick singed pony"
Guy's real pro too lol
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On March 18 2011 20:07 Kaniol wrote:
LOL who is this ano shipal guy? Is he some kind of smurf? I see him only playing trynd and not even doing too well, yet now he is calling Dyrus a "one trick singed pony"
ginger brown
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On March 18 2011 19:27 spinesheath wrote:
Surprise surprise. Guess why I have been trying to stop calling them carries and instead saying ranged DPS? I stopped trying to hardcarry with ranged DPS quite a while ago... Because I was so reliant on protection that it didn't seem reasonable.
Ranged DPS doesn't carry games, 100% true.
Yeah I know this makes me sounds like an idiot.
A carry is a carry, regardless if it's a xin or an ashe.
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On March 18 2011 20:48 BlackPaladin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 19:27 spinesheath wrote:
Surprise surprise. Guess why I have been trying to stop calling them carries and instead saying ranged DPS? I stopped trying to hardcarry with ranged DPS quite a while ago... Because I was so reliant on protection that it didn't seem reasonable.
Ranged DPS doesn't carry games, 100% true.
Yeah I know this makes me sounds like an idiot. A carry is a carry, regardless if it's a xin or an ashe.
90% of the time, when people said carry they were talking about ranged DPS. And ranged DPS simply doesn't deserve that name over other classes (anymore).
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With all these tanky deeps Kog maw must be viable amirite?
But seriously Kog Maw nearly has free madred's, what would happen if you just slammed as much DPS on him as you can and then built FM for kiting or other survivability to stop dying, just like tanky deeps do, so that you outdo the melee DPS with imba auto attack steroid and it's imba synergy with cheap items like Malady? HP stacking won't help them, armor stacking won't help them, the only thing they can stack is MR which would leave a good opening for people on your team who do physical damage.
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