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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
On January 18 2017 10:17 JacobShock wrote: One thing still fucks with me, what's with the pointy ass eye brows that elves have in WoW? It looks so silly Eh. Not sillier than anything else. I still find it weird that Malfurion has a beard. | ||
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On January 18 2017 09:54 xDaunt wrote: Zeratul was never as OP as Valeera is now. The only thing that comes close is Alpha Nova, who was broken as fuck. Uh, old Void Prison says hello... when you were doing boss and suddenly you are all caught into Void Prison together on capture point, except that capture point was no longer yours. I am not even sure how that's comparable, on one hand you have clearly op melee assassin that is pain to deal with but is quite doable if you are not alone, on the other hand you had melee assassin that was uncatchable, roaming around, killing you no matter what and at the same time stealing boss from your whole team, and there was nothing you could do about it. You are probably talking about damage coupled with CC of Valeera, but I am taking everything into account, there is nothing, literally nothing that could top old Void Prison, now that was pure bullshit. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On January 18 2017 06:28 Ramiz1989 wrote: His shields aren't exactly weaker, they removed 50% bonus on allies but increased absorbed amount by quite a bit, so they ended up the same, except that it will be stronger on buildings now. And you get baseline something you had to talent previously. Also he has some crazy talents like giving 25 armor when shield ends, or shields that never expire when you finish the quest. He is going to be crazy good. I don't think you can ever take into consideraton a talent that takes 40 globes to activate. | ||
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Foxxan
Sweden3427 Posts
That was one thing i liked about tassadar, the shortish cooldown, which made it more about reactionary skills. Blizzard dont want that? | ||
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On January 18 2017 16:42 Ej_ wrote: I don't think you can ever take into consideraton a talent that takes 40 globes to activate. It depends on the map of course, but I was regularly getting between 30 and 50 globes with old regeneration master that had no cap on heroes such as Leoric, Arthas and so on. And still, that talent has two quest rewards, and one is on 20 globes where 50% of shields last indefinitely, and 20 globes can be quite easy to complete so it's not like a wasteful talent until you have 40 globes. | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
First pick tracer who ends with less damage than tassadar. ETC who AA attacks keep to 'not waste nuke' while his team gets wiped. A Diablo with 13 fucking deaths, a Thrall that loses solo lane to flipping Valla and dies 5 times before lv 7. A Valla that end the game with under 20K hero damage because she facetansk EVERYTHING (AA build amirite).... How do you people win games?!??! | ||
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Aiobhill
Germany283 Posts
On January 18 2017 19:07 Foxxan wrote: Also 8sec cooldown compared to 5. Will matter wont it? Or is the shield stronger than before? That was one thing i liked about tassadar, the shortish cooldown, which made it more about reactionary skills. Blizzard dont want that? Shield is indeed stronger: "Shield amount increased from 342 to 510". Depends on the situation if it is a net buff. If damge is concentrated on the shielded target, it will be a buff unless the fight lasts extremely long. If damage is spread, it tends to be a nerf. | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On January 18 2017 16:42 Ej_ wrote: I don't think you can ever take into consideraton a talent that takes 40 globes to activate. Correct. It's a useless talent at 40 globes. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On January 18 2017 12:04 Ramiz1989 wrote: Uh, old Void Prison says hello... when you were doing boss and suddenly you are all caught into Void Prison together on capture point, except that capture point was no longer yours. I am not even sure how that's comparable, on one hand you have clearly op melee assassin that is pain to deal with but is quite doable if you are not alone, on the other hand you had melee assassin that was uncatchable, roaming around, killing you no matter what and at the same time stealing boss from your whole team, and there was nothing you could do about it. You are probably talking about damage coupled with CC of Valeera, but I am taking everything into account, there is nothing, literally nothing that could top old Void Prison, now that was pure bullshit. I'm talking about pure damage output. Old Zeratul couldn't erase people like Valeera can. | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On January 18 2017 20:59 SC2Toastie wrote: I think it is a nerf regardless because he doesn't get the bonus when shielding allies anymore, and the shield/sec is roughly the same. The point is, he doesn't get bonus for allies but base shield is pretty much 50% stronger, so it ended up the same. Except that you can shield yourself for full amount now, as well as buildings, something you couldn't do before. Shield/sec is indeed weaker but he would be way too broken with all these changes if Shield was left on 5 seconds cooldown. On January 18 2017 21:11 xDaunt wrote: Correct. It's a useless talent at 40 globes. Quest: Regeneration Globes grant an additional 50% Mana Quest Reward: After collecting 20 Regeneration Globes, 50% of your Plasma Shield’s value remains after expiration Quest Reward: After collecting 40 Regeneration Globes, your Plasma Shield’s no longer have a duration ??? Like you have any better talents at level 1. This talent helps you with mana management, probably the only thing that Tassadar really struggles with. | ||
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Foxxan
Sweden3427 Posts
Shield/sec is indeed weaker but he would be way too broken with all these changes if Shield was left on 5 seconds cooldown. Ye ofcourse he would but why change it in the first place? Just a rhetoric question | ||
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
Also a discussion on Tassadar rework, with the general opinion that he is worse overall. | ||
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On January 18 2017 22:56 karazax wrote: Rich is learning Valeera on PTR now Also a discussion on Tassadar rework, with the general opinion that he is worse overall. Well like with a lot of other reworks in my opinion his design got much better, the rest are number tweaks that they will probably do in 2 weeks as usual. I have no doubt at all that he will become a lot more fun and popular if they get his numbers right. There are also things like his quest talent being better at 20 globes than at 40, because at 20 you get half the shield that never expires that stacks with full shield, and with 25 armor when shield is broken, you get 25 armor for 3 seconds after they destroy weaker shield, then same thing after they full shield, so you get 25 armor for 6 seconds and first time you get the armor the rest of the shield isn't even destroyed yet. From my understanding that is just a mistake on their part as it shouldn't work like that, half the shield stacks with the full, but when you reach 40 globes it is just full and it doesn't stack anymore, nor does it trigger 2 times unless you wait for it to get destroyed first. | ||
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
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Ektor Baboden
68 Posts
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
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MotherFox
United States1529 Posts
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jpg06051992
United States580 Posts
On the upside probably every team will have a tassadar as well as Valeera so Oracles are going to make her a bit weaker right off the bat but with the stun she is going to pretty much hard counter slow squishies Some of the bruisers really need some love, Arthas and Sonya need buffs so badly they are crap in the current meta, Arthas got the rework not too long ago which was desperately needed but he still suffers from no escapes/engage outside of a skill shot root, an unusual vulnerability to CC like Artanis except Artanis does the same job that Arthas does but WAY better, Sonya just needs a rework, shes old and outdated, both of their win rates have been in the dumpster for awhile though. | ||
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