EPTGeneral Discussion November 17th Patch - Page 6
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EsportsJohn
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xuanzue
Colombia1747 Posts
about this classification of roles proposed by hotlsogs. I have to say that Zagara could fit better in utility. I usually spread the creep all the way and usually achieve a lot more than just pushing like mad. | ||
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zlefin
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Ej_
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Kharazim or Thrall? I have Uther/BW/Malf/Rehgar and Sonya/Zeratul in respective roles | ||
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Swisslink
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On November 28 2015 01:27 xuanzue wrote: http://www.hotslogs.com/Info/HeroSubRole about this classification of roles proposed by hotlsogs. I have to say that Zagara could fit better in utility. I usually spread the creep all the way and usually achieve a lot more than just pushing like mad. I still don't see Rexxar as Tank, tbh. | ||
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
The most "value" out of 10k gold would be 3 out of Raynor, Muradin, ETC, and Valla, and then Jaina. Kharazim is probably more valuable than Thrall if you enjoy playing support, but either is fine. Ideally you have had a chance to play them both when they were free before. | ||
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Ramiz1989
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New Carbot!  | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On November 28 2015 22:44 karazax wrote: The meta shift in the European Tournament this weekend had ETC as a top tier tank in almost every game, Falstad as a sometimes first pick, and both Thrall and Kharazim as good choices. The most "value" out of 10k gold would be 3 out of Raynor, Muradin, ETC, and Valla, and then Jaina. Kharazim is probably more valuable than Thrall if you enjoy playing support, but either is fine. Ideally you have had a chance to play them both when they were free before. The top tanks are clearly ETC and Muradin, though Tyrael, Leoric, and Johanna are all seeing a lot of play and may be situationally stronger. Monk definitely has more valuable simply due to his flexibility, but Thrall is a goddamned beast in the melee assassin role. I'm thrilled to see him finally getting some play. However, the real star at Dreamhack was Falstad, who has emerged as the top tier ranged AA assassin, and may only be second to Kael among assassins overall. | ||
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Hier
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Swisslink
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On November 29 2015 16:02 Hier wrote: One day, Gazlowe... One day you won't be a piece of shit hero, literally the only one that doesn't see competitive play. Artanis neither. And Azmodan, Tychus, Illidan and Butcher seem to be gone as well, don't they? (And of course Cho'Gall, but whatever :-P) | ||
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On November 29 2015 18:19 Swisslink wrote: Artanis neither. And Azmodan, Tychus, Illidan and Butcher seem to be gone as well, don't they? (And of course Cho'Gall, but whatever :-P) We didn't see much from the Dreamhack, since those were just EU teams. Yesterday BRFC won Enter the Storm NA tournament, and they have run with Butcher. Illidan is probably still viable but it is definitely harder to make him work than Sonya for example. Azmodan is currently bugged and your Taste for Blood stacks don't benefit from Black Pool which is probably the reason why nobody plays him at all. Artanis needs some tweaks to be viable in my opinion. Few of the teams have played with him and he looked pretty useless in every single game. He has huge power spikes at level 16 and 20, but is horrible before that, no slow/stun/root, no escape mechanic, half the melee range compared to other melees... We still haven't seen Korean meta yet, I think that Illidan, Butcher and Tychus are going to be picked there to be honest(Tychus is already picked in Chinese meta). And I am waiting for Gazlowe and Tychus changes that Blizzard has promised to us.  | ||
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EsportsJohn
United States4883 Posts
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
I would love to see Artanis be more workable, but he really does feel like dog shit pre-Zealot Charge. If I could get Zealot Charge, Titan Killer, and Triple Strike I'd love to stack him up against a tank. Whats that, like 10% of a tank's HP? Also, is Lt. Morales good now? I heard she was banned once or so at Dreamhack, was that a weird ban or is she actually a strong support now? | ||
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On November 29 2015 19:01 Zambrah wrote: I'd really, really like to see Zealot Charge come onto Artanis earlier, like lv7, or even lv4, maybe just remove Lethal Alacrity and bake in a 15% speed/range boost into Blade Dash. I might be a little biased because I'd love to see Titan Killer or Psionic Wound in action, but alas, can't skip Zealot Charge. I would love to see Artanis be more workable, but he really does feel like dog shit pre-Zealot Charge. If I could get Zealot Charge, Titan Killer, and Triple Strike I'd love to stack him up against a tank. Whats that, like 10% of a tank's HP? Also, is Lt. Morales good now? I heard she was banned once or so at Dreamhack, was that a weird ban or is she actually a strong support now? More and more people are playing with Morales. I've seen C9 play her a lot lately, and she was picked few times at DH I think? Artanis needs to have normal melee range, and probably needs a level 13 talent that allows him to cancel his dash while in the middle of the cast so he actually gets a "blink". If you buff him like this, Zealot Charge probably won't be mandatory and it will make him viable(or at least it would be a good start). | ||
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EsportsJohn
United States4883 Posts
On November 29 2015 19:01 Zambrah wrote: I'd really, really like to see Zealot Charge come onto Artanis earlier, like lv7, or even lv4, maybe just remove Lethal Alacrity and bake in a 15% speed/range boost into Blade Dash. I might be a little biased because I'd love to see Titan Killer or Psionic Wound in action, but alas, can't skip Zealot Charge. I would love to see Artanis be more workable, but he really does feel like dog shit pre-Zealot Charge. If I could get Zealot Charge, Titan Killer, and Triple Strike I'd love to stack him up against a tank. Whats that, like 10% of a tank's HP? Also, is Lt. Morales good now? I heard she was banned once or so at Dreamhack, was that a weird ban or is she actually a strong support now? I like that suggestion. I think either making his dash more mobile or allowing Zealot Charge at an earlier level is all it takes for him to become viable. As far as the Medic is concerned, she came out of the scaling changes in a pretty good state. Her mana costs scale a lot better from levels 1-10, so she's stronger in the early game, and if the team can get into a decent mid game and play defensively around Medic, she can make the entire team look immortal. Medivac is still woefully underused, but there's still tons of room of play potential using it. | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On November 30 2015 01:47 FeyFey wrote: just wait till pros realize pros suck at dodging gravi bomb. And realize they are constantly using ETC and Kael or Jaina atm. Gravi-bomb is almost impossible to hit against good players before level 20 upgrade, and if you need to be level 20 so you could be able to do something you will have a rough time. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
Medic was actually a fairly dominant presence in the hands of Bakery at Dreamhack. His positioning was exceptionally good, which him a very hard target to kill. I think part of the problem, however, is that no one is running dive heavy comps right now. Team Liquid countered Medic with Thrall, which worked fairly well, though I tend to think that there are other picks (notably warriors) who could do a better job with hard initiation on the medic. Illidan is still viable, but he has to be picked in the right situation. In the game where he was picked at Dreamhack, he was basically taken as counterpick in respond to the other team's complete lack of CC. Unsurprisingly, Illidan punished them mercilessly. | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
Really love the new map, the mechanics are awesome and the strategy when it comes to taking down forts is awesome. Did bring in a few merc waves for 3 damage, because I Nydused down a fort before they arrived XD. seriously ... seven sided strike all game every game. While Falstad and Kael are super popular, two heroes who have not an easy time stopping their damage. And the moment the zoning doesn't work the squishies die and you lack the damage to follow up the ult. | ||
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