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Ghostcom
Denmark4782 Posts
On November 11 2016 00:47 Ej_ wrote: "can't build Muradin" should be a pickable report reason Can you even really fuck up? I mean on multiple tiers you could pretty much slam your head on the keyboard and get a good talent. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6992 Posts
On November 11 2016 00:53 Ghostcom wrote: Can you even really fuck up? I mean on multiple tiers you could pretty much slam your head on the keyboard and get a good talent. Love full damage Muradin :D But I say so at the draft i i do that ^^ | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On November 11 2016 00:53 Ghostcom wrote: Can you even really fuck up? I mean on multiple tiers you could pretty much slam your head on the keyboard and get a good talent. http://www.heroesnexus.com/talent-calculator/22-muradin#FJfD0IcDAAWAA any build that isn't this one is awful and game losing probably | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4782 Posts
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On November 11 2016 21:53 Ghostcom wrote: I disagree with talent 7 and 13. On both those tiers there are at least one other viable talent. No. | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
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Ghostcom
Denmark4782 Posts
On November 11 2016 23:02 Cephiro wrote: Piercing Bolt is legit, Thunder Strike is legit. Indeed. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6992 Posts
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
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Foxxan
Sweden3427 Posts
Gets heavy each time. Wish there was a way to reduce your silence duration. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On November 12 2016 03:48 karazax wrote: For Muradin Crowd Control at 4 is insane on wave clear and minion heavy maps like Shrines, Braxis, and tomb. I watched a Muradin clear a full strength zerg wave fast and actually gained mana while doing it. Skullcracker at 7 is a viable alternative to ironforged momentum now and has the slightly higher win rate so far. Give 'em the Axe! and Heavy Impact have identical win rates. I guess skullcracker+executioner will be the standard now, but before the last patch it was ALWAYS Thunder Burn/Battle Momentum/Healing Static, because it's the best build. Piercing Bolt and Thunder Strike are both trash talents, first one is a crutch pick for people who can't aim Qs and the 2nd one makes you unable to pick the talent that actually makes Muradin a real pain in the ass at 13+. To put it simply: You get 5% heal for every hero hit with healing static, it procs twice because of thunder burn and then, when you hit enemies, you lower your cooldown and it gives you more heals. It means that Muradin can jump in onto the backline and keep healing himself while chain stunning half of the enemy team alone (and from 16 you get Heavy Impact which is an AOE stun and allows you to literally never let enemies off your CC). The other talents compared to these are fucking trash and people need to undestand that. People who pick Piercing Bolt and Thunder Strike are the same ones who also take Stoneform because they play this game twice a year and didn't get the clue that this build isn't viable anymore. | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
On November 12 2016 18:31 Ej_ wrote: I guess skullcracker+executioner will be the standard now, but before the last patch it was ALWAYS Thunder Burn/Battle Momentum/Healing Static, because it's the best build. Piercing Bolt and Thunder Strike are both trash talents, first one is a crutch pick for people who can't aim Qs and the 2nd one makes you unable to pick the talent that actually makes Muradin a real pain in the ass at 13+. To put it simply: You get 5% heal for every hero hit with healing static, it procs twice because of thunder burn and then, when you hit enemies, you lower your cooldown and it gives you more heals. It means that Muradin can jump in onto the backline and keep healing himself while chain stunning half of the enemy team alone (and from 16 you get Heavy Impact which is an AOE stun and allows you to literally never let enemies off your CC). The other talents compared to these are fucking trash and people need to undestand that. People who pick Piercing Bolt and Thunder Strike are the same ones who also take Stoneform because they play this game twice a year and didn't get the clue that this build isn't viable anymore. If you think both Piercing Bolt & Thunder Strike are trash, I'd argue that you're the one who is trash if anything. You take piercing bolt so you can build up perfect storm stacks faster, on top of being able to stun the hero you want while someone else is bodyblocking. But I guess at your level of play people don't know how to do that. If you can survive without having to take more heal talents, then taking them is a complete waste. Thunder Strike is amazing for solokilling squishies. The amount of mings, tracers, vallas or any other range dps for that matter I've killed with that talent is stupidly high. Especially if you have two tanks and the other one handles the crowd control and you can freely run after their dps, they always end up splitting from the group while running away, guaranteeing you extra damage on them. But by all means, take more healing in situations you never needed any extra in the first place. On November 12 2016 04:48 Foxxan wrote: Third silence overtuned now within 5~ weeks. Gets heavy each time. Wish there was a way to reduce your silence duration. If this isn't a testament to how retarded the report system is then I don't know what is. | ||
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Aceace
Turkey1305 Posts
On November 12 2016 20:09 Cephiro wrote: If you think both Piercing Bolt & Thunder Strike are trash, I'd argue that you're the one who is trash if anything. But I guess at your level of play people don't know how to do that. Wow.. That was too low for TL standarts. Calling "trash" on another forum member.... And you are completely wrong about Piercing and Thunder Strike. Do you realize you gave up best momentum talent (Even after nerf) and best self healing in game? For hoping to get 2 man "OMG DUAL STUN!!" and "I got you solo! You have exactly 0 friends nearby and you don't have any get out of jail card" moment? This is plain wrong. Its clear you have no idea how absurdly good Iron Forge Momentum is. Well... Its so obvious. 0.75 second reduction with 1.15 aps? YES PLEASE! Picking self heal talent means your support (who ever he/she is) doesn't have to babysit you. Healing Static is THE best self heal talent in the game. If you want to pick a hero which can go backline and do stuff, pick anything else. | ||
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Larkin
United Kingdom7161 Posts
I think they're both viable builds in the right circumstances. The synergy of give em the axe + skullcracker + thunder burn seems really nice to me at the moment, though. Perhaps it differs on if you want to play him as backline damage dealer or a frontline peel tank. Either way I don't really like calling each other or certain builds/talent picks 'trash'. | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
I didn't say Piercing Bolt & Thunder Strike are the "go-to" picks, or the best picks on that tier, but as I've fairly clearly pointed out, they both have situations where they are perfectly valid. Piercing Bolt used correctly gets you stacks faster (and cheaper mana-wise) than IF Momentum. It's also a straight counterplay against enemy team members bodyblocking for your stuns. What if you really need to interrupt a channel or lock down the squishy, but there is someone in-between? If you don't have piercing Q, the only way around it is re-positioning. Which is something that the enemy team can do as well. But if you have the pierce? It's extremely rare for there to be a situation where the target you need to stun has more than one target in the way that you can't out-position, it's almost always the players' fault at that point. I just don't understand how it's too hard for some of you to fathom that if you have enough survivability that you can do whatever you need to do and you're not dying, there's no reason to take more survivability over utility/damage. When picked correctly, it also doesn't require the supports to pay any extra attention compared to the usual whatsoever. I'd even go as far as argue that if you need a support to babysit you while playing Muradin at any time, you're probably doing something really, really wrong. On the squishier characters of the game, Thunder Strike does about ~20-25% of their health pool in one shot. Enables you to get a lot of backline kills or solo pickoffs which would not happen otherwise. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6992 Posts
Not even Muradin is helping | ||
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Beelzebub1
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Leolio
France633 Posts
Game 1: Auriel crowns me all the time. I'm Johanna. It's not even the worst. Falstad suicides on tribute despite all team saying SOAK and pinging back. So from this point at all tributes he would say something like "soak noobs" and wouldn't ever help the team. Game 2: Fourth HL game ever for this new guy in placement, and he takes Abathur. He utterly sucks. We get wrecked. Game 3: Someone wants to play The Lost Vikings on Dragonshire, saying he's good and so. Me and my friend try to explain to him that DS is a medium map with people on all lanes all the time, and they have Falstad. But no, he insists. I didn't want to be an ass and ban TLV so I didn't. We get wrecked. HARD. So it's my fault for picking Johanna vs Varian + Mura he explains and reports me. Yes. The guy was actually good with TLV, it's just not the map to take them. Next game he's our opponent on Cursed Hollow, we ban TLV and stomp his face. :-) 3 fucking free losses out of 5 games... | ||
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Foxxan
Sweden3427 Posts
he picks xul, and doesnt soak two lanes - He rather stays on one lane for a long time. His decision making was obviously bad as fuck as well so it wasnt just the lanes. HOLY FUCK - DONT RUIN MY GAMES PLEASE SENDING ME 2,8k MMR INTO MY GAMES THEY DONT KNOW HOW TO FUCKING PLAY EDIT: perhaps its because i play so early.... BUT WTF I CAN ONLY PLAY ON "PROPER" TIMES; WTF IS THAT KIND OF MATCHMAKING | ||
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Talaris
Switzerland753 Posts
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