On February 21 2015 07:34 WhiteDog wrote: Give me your quick points of view : is it really a good idea to buy HotS now ? Is it worth its money right now ? I'm bored, on vacation, and with nothing to play ; is it the good game ?
its an introductory MOBA.
If you like the moba genre... this game is what i play when I want to play League or Dota but dont feel like actually trying.
No last hitting/denying makes the laning super chill.
Some champs promote more of a solo play where you just ignore the rest of the game and do your own thing, which is nice occasionally.
I wouldnt spend a dime on it tho, it has one of the greediest cash shops in gaming atm.
Its now the moba that If I have a friend who doesnt play league or Dota2, will teach them how to play, let them get accustomed to the general gameflow/mechanics before i will play a real moba with them.
TLDR super laid back, dumbed down Moba, with a ridiculous cash shop. not too competitive.
On February 21 2015 07:34 WhiteDog wrote: Give me your quick points of view : is it really a good idea to buy HotS now ? Is it worth its money right now ? I'm bored, on vacation, and with nothing to play ; is it the good game ?
Completely worth it for me. You basically pay for the skins and heroes, and 2/3 are really good, with 1 of them being niche.
On February 21 2015 07:34 WhiteDog wrote: Give me your quick points of view : is it really a good idea to buy HotS now ? Is it worth its money right now ? I'm bored, on vacation, and with nothing to play ; is it the good game ?
its an introductory MOBA.
If you like the moba genre... this game is what i play when I want to play League or Dota but dont feel like actually trying.
No last hitting/denying makes the laning super chill.
Some champs promote more of a solo play where you just ignore the rest of the game and do your own thing, which is nice occasionally.
I wouldnt spend a dime on it tho, it has one of the greediest cash shops in gaming atm.
Its now the moba that If I have a friend who doesnt play league or Dota2, will teach them how to play, let them get accustomed to the general gameflow/mechanics before i will play a real moba with them.
TLDR super laid back, dumbed down Moba, with a ridiculous cash shop. not too competitive.
And here we have either a super biased poster, or just one who hasn't played the game (enough) i think. His opinion isn't bad, but its not that well informed (for example, if you just do your own thing, chances are you'll lose).
Now, i'm biased in favour of heroes of the storm, but I'll try to be as objective as posible:
Its an easier to pick up game, and the lanning phase, since it doesn't need last hitting, its more relaxed. Thanks to that, and the fact that the games are shorter, it leads to a little less frustrating experience. Its a good game to come, play a few games and call it a day.
However, you can ve pretty hardcore too. I don't know how people dare to call the game less competitive, when thats not even posible. It may be less frustrating, maybe it requieres less skill/prior knowledge, but i don't know how a PvP game can be less competitive than other.
The game is from the same genre as the other two famous games, the same way smash bros is the sae renre as street fighting. Where I'm going with that is that even if they are similar they are very different, and so may not atrack the same kind of players.
In general, if you haven't played a MOBA/ARTS before, or you have but aven't liked them or haven't played them that much, Heroes of the Storm is probably for you, if theres a game that can make you like the genre when league or dota couldn't this is the one. It removes a lot of the things of why people don't like those kind of games, while adding some stuff too.
Now, if you have played dota 2 or league before and you like them, it depends. As i said before, even though they are simmilar they have big differences so wheter you like it or not will depend on:
-How open minded you are: If you think a game of this genre needs to have last hit/items or it is shit, then this game is not for you. If you don't think that is necessary you might like this (but might also don't like it). -How you feel about the buisness model: All heroes free vs unlocking them. -How do you feel about the different maps/mechanics, and how much you like Blizzard characters.
I'd say watch some videos/tournaments of the game, and watch other people stream it, recently Day9, grubby, nony and others have been streaming it, so check it out. Then, if you find you like it (altough i must say that i like to play it more than i like to watch it), try to participate on beta giveways, and only if you are sure you have more chances to like it than you are to not like it, then buy the founderpack.
If i didn't have access to the beta, i would buy the founder's pack, but your opinion may be different, so think about it!
On February 21 2015 02:15 KillerSOS wrote: I think what people forget is these tier lists are based on competitive 5v5 play. I would like to see some players get more into SoloQ tier lists that actually apply to the vast majority of players.
I honestly feel like solo queue tier list is a much better use of the concept of a tier list. The fact that the tier lists are meant for 5v5 competitive play just makes them even more perplexing imo
I agree. It's only a matter of time before some people manage to make decent lists. I think a large part of the issue is that most players still don't have even a majority of the cast, and as a result hero results at the top of ladder can be skewed, and unowned heroes can't be experimented yet.
For now I'll continue to play whatever I want, minus a few troll heroes that I feel are just useless (Murky I'm looking at you)
People get way to obsessed with these lists. They are a nice way to phrase someone's opinion of all the heroes, but thats it. They don't reflect 100% of reality nor are they always 100% correct. It's just someone's opinion and one should never blindly copy someones opinion.
It kinda saddens me that people follow these lists so much, but it seems to be better in EU - I see all heroes played all the time. And people pick things in Hero league based off of enemy's team composition and synergy within your own team. They even pick things they initially didn't want to pick and then have a blast in the game when they realize it was the right choice.
First time I played Tyrande was when enemy team picked Murky and I was like "I never really played Tyrande before(had her on 5 but thats it)", team quickly told me how to play and I dominated that Murky and had a blast.
I do agree with you to a degree, but that doesn't mean there aren't heroes that are not just better than others. It's a simple fact that things aren't ever going to be perfectly balanced. A tier list just means "these heroes are better picks a higher percentage of the time." Top tiers can still have counter strats. Dota is a perfect example of this, there are plenty of heroes that are picked/banned all the time and still only hold a 50% win.
While that might be their initial intention, thats not how they are used at all. If you are a good player and look at the list, chances are you're not that influenced by it or get some inspiration/another POV on the hero but don't just pick based on it. If you're a toxic/bad(not in case if raw skill, just in general being a shitty guy) player, you'll just spam "tier 3 hero ololol we win gg where's resign" in chat and annoy everyone.
Instead of tiers I think it would be better to have a neutral list stating every pro and con of every hero, that way people with real interest still get the info they want but toxic players don't have any more grounds to.. well to be more toxic than they already are.
As far as "really bad heroes" are concerned, I think it's fine to point that out. But it's like with any numbers system: If it's not within the top 20%, people consider it shit. So if anything is tier3, people already say it's unplayable and totally useless.
On February 21 2015 07:34 WhiteDog wrote: Give me your quick points of view : is it really a good idea to buy HotS now ? Is it worth its money right now ? I'm bored, on vacation, and with nothing to play ; is it the good game ?
its an introductory MOBA.
If you like the moba genre... this game is what i play when I want to play League or Dota but dont feel like actually trying.
No last hitting/denying makes the laning super chill.
Some champs promote more of a solo play where you just ignore the rest of the game and do your own thing, which is nice occasionally.
I wouldnt spend a dime on it tho, it has one of the greediest cash shops in gaming atm.
Its now the moba that If I have a friend who doesnt play league or Dota2, will teach them how to play, let them get accustomed to the general gameflow/mechanics before i will play a real moba with them.
TLDR super laid back, dumbed down Moba, with a ridiculous cash shop. not too competitive.
And here we have either a super biased poster, or just one who hasn't played the game (enough) i think. His opinion isn't bad, but its not that well informed (for example, if you just do your own thing, chances are you'll lose).
Now, i'm biased in favour of heroes of the storm, but I'll try to be as objective as posible:
Its an easier to pick up game, and the lanning phase, since it doesn't need last hitting, its more relaxed. Thanks to that, and the fact that the games are shorter, it leads to a little less frustrating experience. Its a good game to come, play a few games and call it a day.
However, you can ve pretty hardcore too. I don't know how people dare to call the game less competitive, when thats not even posible. It may be less frustrating, maybe it requieres less skill/prior knowledge, but i don't know how a PvP game can be less competitive than other.
The game is from the same genre as the other two famous games, the same way smash bros is the sae renre as street fighting. Where I'm going with that is that even if they are similar they are very different, and so may not atrack the same kind of players.
In general, if you haven't played a MOBA/ARTS before, or you have but aven't liked them or haven't played them that much, Heroes of the Storm is probably for you, if theres a game that can make you like the genre when league or dota couldn't this is the one. It removes a lot of the things of why people don't like those kind of games, while adding some stuff too.
Now, if you have played dota 2 or league before and you like them, it depends. As i said before, even though they are simmilar they have big differences so wheter you like it or not will depend on:
-How open minded you are: If you think a game of this genre needs to have last hit/items or it is shit, then this game is not for you. If you don't think that is necessary you might like this (but might also don't like it). -How you feel about the buisness model: All heroes free vs unlocking them. -How do you feel about the different maps/mechanics, and how much you like Blizzard characters.
I'd say watch some videos/tournaments of the game, and watch other people stream it, recently Day9, grubby, nony and others have been streaming it, so check it out. Then, if you find you like it (altough i must say that i like to play it more than i like to watch it), try to participate on beta giveways, and only if you are sure you have more chances to like it than you are to not like it, then buy the founderpack.
If i didn't have access to the beta, i would buy the founder's pack, but your opinion may be different, so think about it!
Would you prefer if I said it was less complex, rather than dumbed down?
I think its a great introductory Moba.. its like ARAM in League with objectives.
I also think it's cool to be the heroes from past blizzard titles.
If you want a game that is less complex, more casual friendly, and much less intimidating than other titles in the MOBA genre, I think HotS is a solid choice.
On February 21 2015 07:34 WhiteDog wrote: Give me your quick points of view : is it really a good idea to buy HotS now ? Is it worth its money right now ? I'm bored, on vacation, and with nothing to play ; is it the good game ?
its an introductory MOBA.
If you like the moba genre... this game is what i play when I want to play League or Dota but dont feel like actually trying.
No last hitting/denying makes the laning super chill.
Some champs promote more of a solo play where you just ignore the rest of the game and do your own thing, which is nice occasionally.
I wouldnt spend a dime on it tho, it has one of the greediest cash shops in gaming atm.
Its now the moba that If I have a friend who doesnt play league or Dota2, will teach them how to play, let them get accustomed to the general gameflow/mechanics before i will play a real moba with them.
TLDR super laid back, dumbed down Moba, with a ridiculous cash shop. not too competitive.
And here we have either a super biased poster, or just one who hasn't played the game (enough) i think. His opinion isn't bad, but its not that well informed (for example, if you just do your own thing, chances are you'll lose).
Now, i'm biased in favour of heroes of the storm, but I'll try to be as objective as posible:
Its an easier to pick up game, and the lanning phase, since it doesn't need last hitting, its more relaxed. Thanks to that, and the fact that the games are shorter, it leads to a little less frustrating experience. Its a good game to come, play a few games and call it a day.
However, you can ve pretty hardcore too. I don't know how people dare to call the game less competitive, when thats not even posible. It may be less frustrating, maybe it requieres less skill/prior knowledge, but i don't know how a PvP game can be less competitive than other.
The game is from the same genre as the other two famous games, the same way smash bros is the sae renre as street fighting. Where I'm going with that is that even if they are similar they are very different, and so may not atrack the same kind of players.
In general, if you haven't played a MOBA/ARTS before, or you have but aven't liked them or haven't played them that much, Heroes of the Storm is probably for you, if theres a game that can make you like the genre when league or dota couldn't this is the one. It removes a lot of the things of why people don't like those kind of games, while adding some stuff too.
Now, if you have played dota 2 or league before and you like them, it depends. As i said before, even though they are simmilar they have big differences so wheter you like it or not will depend on:
-How open minded you are: If you think a game of this genre needs to have last hit/items or it is shit, then this game is not for you. If you don't think that is necessary you might like this (but might also don't like it). -How you feel about the buisness model: All heroes free vs unlocking them. -How do you feel about the different maps/mechanics, and how much you like Blizzard characters.
I'd say watch some videos/tournaments of the game, and watch other people stream it, recently Day9, grubby, nony and others have been streaming it, so check it out. Then, if you find you like it (altough i must say that i like to play it more than i like to watch it), try to participate on beta giveways, and only if you are sure you have more chances to like it than you are to not like it, then buy the founderpack.
If i didn't have access to the beta, i would buy the founder's pack, but your opinion may be different, so think about it!
Would you prefer if I said it was less complex, rather than dumbed down?
I think its a great introductory Moba.. its like ARAM in League with objectives.
I also think it's cool to be the heroes from past blizzard titles.
If you want a game that is less complex, more casual friendly, and much less intimidating than other titles in the MOBA genre, I think HotS is a solid choice.
Thats not the the problem i had with your post. If on your first post you would have said what you said this time, i wouldn't have said anything. However, saying it is "not competitve" and especially "Its now the moba that If I have a friend who doesnt play league or Dota2, will teach them how to play [....] before i will play a real moba with them" are just things that are plain wrong A real moba? saying that in the general HotS thread is just asking for trouble.
I like HotS more than league of legends, but i don't go around saying Hots is better or is a real moba or whatever, because i just like it more, neither game can be objectively better because they both have their pros and its cons.
TLDR: If you want a moba that is fun, play HotS. If the other are the "real" mobas then i dont wanna live in "reality". :p I allways hated the last hit, items, only one map etc, other mobas have... so ye blizzard got it right for me :p
On February 21 2015 07:34 WhiteDog wrote: Give me your quick points of view : is it really a good idea to buy HotS now ? Is it worth its money right now ? I'm bored, on vacation, and with nothing to play ; is it the good game ?
its an introductory MOBA.
If you like the moba genre... this game is what i play when I want to play League or Dota but dont feel like actually trying.
No last hitting/denying makes the laning super chill.
Some champs promote more of a solo play where you just ignore the rest of the game and do your own thing, which is nice occasionally.
I wouldnt spend a dime on it tho, it has one of the greediest cash shops in gaming atm.
Its now the moba that If I have a friend who doesnt play league or Dota2, will teach them how to play, let them get accustomed to the general gameflow/mechanics before i will play a real moba with them.
TLDR super laid back, dumbed down Moba, with a ridiculous cash shop. not too competitive.
And here we have either a super biased poster, or just one who hasn't played the game (enough) i think. His opinion isn't bad, but its not that well informed (for example, if you just do your own thing, chances are you'll lose).
Now, i'm biased in favour of heroes of the storm, but I'll try to be as objective as posible:
Its an easier to pick up game, and the lanning phase, since it doesn't need last hitting, its more relaxed. Thanks to that, and the fact that the games are shorter, it leads to a little less frustrating experience. Its a good game to come, play a few games and call it a day.
However, you can ve pretty hardcore too. I don't know how people dare to call the game less competitive, when thats not even posible. It may be less frustrating, maybe it requieres less skill/prior knowledge, but i don't know how a PvP game can be less competitive than other.
The game is from the same genre as the other two famous games, the same way smash bros is the sae renre as street fighting. Where I'm going with that is that even if they are similar they are very different, and so may not atrack the same kind of players.
In general, if you haven't played a MOBA/ARTS before, or you have but aven't liked them or haven't played them that much, Heroes of the Storm is probably for you, if theres a game that can make you like the genre when league or dota couldn't this is the one. It removes a lot of the things of why people don't like those kind of games, while adding some stuff too.
Now, if you have played dota 2 or league before and you like them, it depends. As i said before, even though they are simmilar they have big differences so wheter you like it or not will depend on:
-How open minded you are: If you think a game of this genre needs to have last hit/items or it is shit, then this game is not for you. If you don't think that is necessary you might like this (but might also don't like it). -How you feel about the buisness model: All heroes free vs unlocking them. -How do you feel about the different maps/mechanics, and how much you like Blizzard characters.
I'd say watch some videos/tournaments of the game, and watch other people stream it, recently Day9, grubby, nony and others have been streaming it, so check it out. Then, if you find you like it (altough i must say that i like to play it more than i like to watch it), try to participate on beta giveways, and only if you are sure you have more chances to like it than you are to not like it, then buy the founderpack.
If i didn't have access to the beta, i would buy the founder's pack, but your opinion may be different, so think about it!
Would you prefer if I said it was less complex, rather than dumbed down?
I think its a great introductory Moba.. its like ARAM in League with objectives.
I also think it's cool to be the heroes from past blizzard titles.
If you want a game that is less complex, more casual friendly, and much less intimidating than other titles in the MOBA genre, I think HotS is a solid choice.
Thats not the the problem i had with your post. If on your first post you would have said what you said this time, i wouldn't have said anything. However, saying it is "not competitve" and especially "Its now the moba that If I have a friend who doesnt play league or Dota2, will teach them how to play [....] before i will play a real moba with them" are just things that are plain wrong A real moba? saying that in the general HotS thread is just asking for trouble.
I like HotS more than league of legends, but i don't go around saying Hots is better or is a real moba or whatever, because i just like it more, neither game can be objectively better because they both have their pros and its cons.
HOTS isn't a real MOBA according to Blizzard
I agree with Maestro 100%. Very fun game that encourages lots of "action" and short games (less than 30 minutes every time). Game is easy to learn mechanically and strategically overall but especially compared to league and dota.
On February 21 2015 07:34 WhiteDog wrote: Give me your quick points of view : is it really a good idea to buy HotS now ? Is it worth its money right now ? I'm bored, on vacation, and with nothing to play ; is it the good game ?
its an introductory MOBA.
If you like the moba genre... this game is what i play when I want to play League or Dota but dont feel like actually trying.
No last hitting/denying makes the laning super chill.
Some champs promote more of a solo play where you just ignore the rest of the game and do your own thing, which is nice occasionally.
I wouldnt spend a dime on it tho, it has one of the greediest cash shops in gaming atm.
Its now the moba that If I have a friend who doesnt play league or Dota2, will teach them how to play, let them get accustomed to the general gameflow/mechanics before i will play a real moba with them.
TLDR super laid back, dumbed down Moba, with a ridiculous cash shop. not too competitive.
And here we have either a super biased poster, or just one who hasn't played the game (enough) i think. His opinion isn't bad, but its not that well informed (for example, if you just do your own thing, chances are you'll lose).
Now, i'm biased in favour of heroes of the storm, but I'll try to be as objective as posible:
Its an easier to pick up game, and the lanning phase, since it doesn't need last hitting, its more relaxed. Thanks to that, and the fact that the games are shorter, it leads to a little less frustrating experience. Its a good game to come, play a few games and call it a day.
However, you can ve pretty hardcore too. I don't know how people dare to call the game less competitive, when thats not even posible. It may be less frustrating, maybe it requieres less skill/prior knowledge, but i don't know how a PvP game can be less competitive than other.
The game is from the same genre as the other two famous games, the same way smash bros is the sae renre as street fighting. Where I'm going with that is that even if they are similar they are very different, and so may not atrack the same kind of players.
In general, if you haven't played a MOBA/ARTS before, or you have but aven't liked them or haven't played them that much, Heroes of the Storm is probably for you, if theres a game that can make you like the genre when league or dota couldn't this is the one. It removes a lot of the things of why people don't like those kind of games, while adding some stuff too.
Now, if you have played dota 2 or league before and you like them, it depends. As i said before, even though they are simmilar they have big differences so wheter you like it or not will depend on:
-How open minded you are: If you think a game of this genre needs to have last hit/items or it is shit, then this game is not for you. If you don't think that is necessary you might like this (but might also don't like it). -How you feel about the buisness model: All heroes free vs unlocking them. -How do you feel about the different maps/mechanics, and how much you like Blizzard characters.
I'd say watch some videos/tournaments of the game, and watch other people stream it, recently Day9, grubby, nony and others have been streaming it, so check it out. Then, if you find you like it (altough i must say that i like to play it more than i like to watch it), try to participate on beta giveways, and only if you are sure you have more chances to like it than you are to not like it, then buy the founderpack.
If i didn't have access to the beta, i would buy the founder's pack, but your opinion may be different, so think about it!
Would you prefer if I said it was less complex, rather than dumbed down?
I think its a great introductory Moba.. its like ARAM in League with objectives.
I also think it's cool to be the heroes from past blizzard titles.
If you want a game that is less complex, more casual friendly, and much less intimidating than other titles in the MOBA genre, I think HotS is a solid choice.
Thats not the the problem i had with your post. If on your first post you would have said what you said this time, i wouldn't have said anything. However, saying it is "not competitve" and especially "Its now the moba that If I have a friend who doesnt play league or Dota2, will teach them how to play [....] before i will play a real moba with them" are just things that are plain wrong A real moba? saying that in the general HotS thread is just asking for trouble.
I like HotS more than league of legends, but i don't go around saying Hots is better or is a real moba or whatever, because i just like it more, neither game can be objectively better because they both have their pros and its cons.
HOTS isn't a real MOBA according to Blizzard
Semantics. What makes a MOBA, a MOBA ? And yes, i do know what Dustin Browder said, and also that he said "people can call it however they want." It's more probable that was marketing stunt, than anything else, because the games is pretty much a MOBA with objectives,faster paced, shared leveling, and withouth gold. Most MOBA games mechanic elements (ie; lanes, forts, towers, xp, lvls, 3 skills + trait + ultimate, etc, ARPG playstyle..., ) are there.
It's like saying WoW isn't a MMORPG because it didn't fit all the mechanics either EQ or UO, and it was "less complex".
But if you want us to call it hero brawler, as that suddenly changes everything and suddenly it stops being a MOBA, so you can feel entlited to say "it's not a real MOBA". Sure man, go ahead.
"its an introductory MOBA." A good introductory MOBA would not have multiple maps and new gameplay features, if you wanna introduce someone to DotA 2, tell the man to play DotA 2 =/
"If you like the moba genre... this game is what i play when I want to play League or Dota but dont feel like actually trying." If you win without trying you should make money, if you lose... maybe you should start trying before you say its not a competitive game.
"No last hitting/denying makes the laning super chill." There is pretty much no laning, the pace of the game is faster. Chill is the least thing you can call HotS compared to other similar games.
"Some champs promote more of a solo play where you just ignore the rest of the game and do your own thing, which is nice occasionally." HotS very teamwork oriented compared to similar games, if you "just do your thing" you are doing it wrong.
"I wouldnt spend a dime on it tho, it has one of the greediest cash shops in gaming atm." you can enjoy the game a lot even if you don't spend a dime though, but i have no idea if its one of the greediest out there.
"Its now the moba that If I have a friend who doesnt play league or Dota2, will teach them how to play, let them get accustomed to the general gameflow/mechanics before i will play a real moba with them." The gameflow and mechanics are different, specially the flow, terrible introduction IMO.
"TLDR super laid back, dumbed down Moba, with a ridiculous cash shop. not too competitive." There is professional competititon since alpha, and blizzard is not trying hard to promote those. Its clearly very competitive.
That is a great summary of the misunderstandings that people from other MOBAs spread out when they start playing. And its not just your opinion, there are some clear mistakes in your post, so i decided to correct you.
Hmm, why is there so much emphasis on mechanical complexity? I am wondering the main reason is that this kind of complexity gives players a sense of progression. Progression means that players have many things to gloat about, and in multiplayer games, everything is about bragging rights and making yourself feel good by your game. It all comes down to a measure of skill, and the game that has many steps, layers, etc, to form a solid sense of "progression" can become incredibly interactive and addicting. Farming, cracking open a book to play lycan, being forced to watch replays, just anything to require me to PvE for 30mins or not play the game is not the kind of skill I personally would touch. I played 3 years of dota and I wished I played heroes :/ but not much options I guess at the time.
i giggled @ maestroSC and what he focused on when describing HotS
i find it ironic that a person would criticize a game for being a dumbed down version of a genre with a lot of other superior titles, when in fact the whole genre itself is a dumbed down version of RTS. it's as if u argue if candy crush or farmville are harder; sure, u may have a few points in favor of each game, but it's still something u can effectively play only with your mouse whilst reading newspapers and drinking tea, so the point of the debate - is moot. in our case, that point would be "dumbness" of a moba (as a determining factor if a game is worth someones time or not): it's not like you're playing chess, i suggest you let it go...
Yeah these debates are pretty funny because nowadays dota fans think they are "the shit" and are the real "hardcore players" playing "the real moba".
Let me tell you that 10 years ago when warcraft3 was the competitive RTS esport game played all around the world (bw's international scene was already dead) dota was considered the "super laid back, dumbed down game" I mean come on you only have to micro ONE unit ? LOL.
Players played dota just to chill and play a team game on teamspeak, nobody considered it seriously and dota fans were seen as "noobs" nothing else while competitive players were all on warcraft3.
Now history just repeat itselfs and it will probably repeat again and again.
ps : play what you enjoy and if the game is meant to be competitive its esport scene will rise itself
On February 21 2015 18:59 RouaF wrote: Yeah these debates are pretty funny because nowadays dota fans think they are "the shit" and are the real "hardcore players" playing "the real moba".
Let me tell you that 10 years ago when warcraft3 was the competitive RTS esport game played all around the world (bw's international scene was already dead) dota was considered the "super laid back, dumbed down game" I mean come on you only have to micro ONE unit ? LOL.
Players played dota just to chill and play a team game on teamspeak, nobody considered it seriously and dota fans were seen as "noobs" nothing else while competitive players were all on warcraft3.
Now history just repeat itselfs and it will probably repeat again and again.
ps : play what you enjoy and if the game is meant to be competitive its esport scene will rise itself
I'm surprised that they thought their best chance of winning was going all-in on that boss, especially after they just won the 5v5 fight for the temple. Was late game gonna be that bad for them? Cuz I didn't feel like their chances with the boss were that great
Sky temple isn't really about teamfights but siege damage. Even tho they took a keep, LDLC had done more siege damage overall, and getting that boss, would further their advantadge and on a map like sky temple, there is a point where you can't really afford it.
EPT
