Final TGT Card Evaluation - Page 4

On August 22 2015 03:31 MasterFwiffo wrote:
It's like the entire list is made by the same people who called Grim Patron, Dr Boom and Sludge Belcher terrible.

On August 22 2015 20:27 Volband wrote:
while reynad and Strifecro seem to be the most on point.

On August 22 2015 21:51 Hellonslaught wrote:

Just look at the chat when StrifeCro was doing his review and realize ppl there know more about the cards then he does.

On August 22 2015 21:51 Hellonslaught wrote:

Just look at the chat when StrifeCro was doing his review and realize ppl there know more about the cards then he does.

On August 22 2015 21:42 Hellonslaught wrote:


While i agree with your post, this argument is getting old.
Most ppl just copy/paste this shit without any knowledge why they "missed" those cards.

Sludge Belcher -> No one saw this one coming because heavy deathrattle decks didn't exist before nax.

Seriously now guys, yeah, they got it all wrong, but get over it.

On August 23 2015 04:08 Fi0na wrote:
I don't get all the hatred for Enter the Coliseum. You have a small board, your opponent has a way stronger board. You soften up their biggest guy with your small board, Enter the Coliseum, finish it off with what you were left with. Yes, you have to deal with one big guy, but other than that it is way more reliable board clear then Brawl. Maybe not as strong in the best case scenario, but reliable. Or would you rather prefer a random card with a random effect that does random things?

On August 23 2015 05:30 Vaudevillain2 wrote:
People have to realize that there are a lot of haters of this expansion, Lifecoach infamously said there was literally only 3 playable cards in TGT. So that being said...

There are many cards you are just so wrong, I became very angry by the end while reading this.

Acidmaw is not a 1 - c'mon guys. Its a specific combo card. Its like use it well or don't but its not useless because of this asinine obsession with "value".

Arcane Blast could be pretty cool, you are right its a little bland. 1 mana for 2 damage is decent people usually use the Holy Smite on 2 life minions anyway y'know. Would have rated a 3 or 4.

I dare say Competitive Spirit could be in every aggro Paladin or secrets Paladin in the game, that is better than a 3.

Healing Wave is AUTO INCLUDE, are you even thinking? Sorry that is where I drew the line and got really upset.

"Murloc Paladin isn't a current deck, this card sucks" lol that didn't stop Blizzard from making one for Shaman, admittedly that sucked. I think Murloc Pally is a thing because of Divine Favor, you guys are way undervaluing this card with all the crazy buffs and synergies Paladin has such as...

Seal of Champions - haven't you guys played vs. Aggro Paladin? The card value on this is sick, you get two cards in one, you can kill a stronger minion for free, you rating this as trash? Might eat your words.

Shadowfiend... lol yep, I'll take the class with the most card draw, give it a "draw a card and play for 1 less mana" and call it a bad card. Priest, circle of healing, draw 3 cards, one of those is a PW: Shield for free, another card 1 less mana, maybe I have enough mana to cast a hero power draw another card. So I drew a bunch of cards this turn, next turn I can cast a flurry of cards or 6 mana Dr. Boom.

Sparring Partner goes with the new Taunt Warrior of course.

This article should have had a second pass through to consider some future decks.

On August 23 2015 05:28 Drazerk wrote:

The thing you are ignoring is the sad thing is Equality does Enter the Colliseum's job much better in that scenario. No one is comparing it to Brawl because even within the Paladin class its pretty weak as a removal option unless you really need 5 lots of removal

On August 23 2015 06:05 Volband wrote:

This again. This kind of thought process is why Trump's reviews were unwatchable. Here's a new card which is familiar and is dismissed as "but equality+consecration am i rite?" It seriously irritates me, especially after being through said reviews by Trump and the Kripp ones as well.

ETC and the combo are different enough to warrant a lenghtier discussion. First of all, and this is the most annoying, why couldn't both the combo AND this card be run? Like two consecrations, because it's awesome, and flexible: great against aggro and midrange, while equality ensures that it has another use versus bigger creatures as well. Okay, but what if not every game will be played against facehunter or eboladin? Is it imaginable that 1 (or maybe 2) Equality could be run with 2 Consecrations and an Enter The Coliseum? I don't even care if it's a stupid idea, it seems obvious to mention it.

Control Warrior got a new card almost everyone agrees it's THE BEST EVER. Dragon Warrior also got significantly better, and Dragons are kinda huge. Handlocks are still going to be handlocks. Control Priests might return, but that 2 drop which promotes Dragon Priest is really great, so Dragon Priest might be a thing, and Dragons are still huge, so having an Enter The Coliseum in your heavy Control Paladin might not be the worst idea ever. But don't forget Aviana and Astral Communion who will either fade away as "the cute cards which could have been" or they actually become a nightmare to deal with. Okay, probably not Astral COmmunion, but Aviana can work.

Also, what about deck efficency? Is 1 EQ+2CC+1ETC worse than 2EQ+2CC? If you ran the latter in a Control Pally, shouldn't you run Wild Pyromancers as well, so you don't have to a.) pray to actually draw the combo b.) being able to play it earlier? If so, wouldn't the deck with -1EQ +1ETC could get rid of the Pyromancers? Sure, it means you can't clear board before turn 6, but maybe you do not even need to OR it worths having 2 new cards instead of the Pyromancers.

On the other hand, maybe you have to use an Equality because some Druid innervated out something that has to be dealt with asap, or that pesky Priest is up to some shenanigans like they always are. If you run one Equality, you just lost your boardclear, but even if you run 2, it might still wouldn't hurt to have something else as a backup.

It's not even that bad versus aggro. Yeah, Consecration is much better, but how much does it really matter if you only have an Equality in your hand from the combo or an ETC?

ETC also has the advantage to actually come out with something meaningful on the board. If you used the combo before, everything you had on the board became extremely weak. With ETC+a weapon equipped, it's not unimaginable, to still have something bulky on the board, while your opponent has nothing.

I understand that saying "lel, worse than brawl, nothx by onto the next card, gotta finish fast" is much easier than actually try to see the big picture and put this card in a.) a Paladin deck, because Paladin is not equal with Warrior, so no one really cares if Warrior would never play this and b.) a TGT meta.

All I can hear in my mind is Forsen saying clown fiesta. To be honest, the reason I read/watch card reviews (forgot to mention Kibler, he does a nice job as well, will be looking forward to his ETC analysis), because I want to hear one of the best and/or most talented players opinion on these new cards, because they will surely see and understand things I wouldn't, and not to be bombarded with basic concepts like Equality+Consecration is a better board clear than ETC, or that RIGHT NOW probably no one would play that card. Like, what the hell, are we just ignoring the other 130+ cards or what?

On August 23 2015 06:15 Drazerk wrote:


As I said if the meta ever starts requiring 5 lots of removal thats when ETC will be played.

Also you seem to forget that the current style of control Paladin should always have some sort of minion on board due to the hero power / muster / sticky minions like Shield bot / shredder etc. Which means that Equality on its own is perfectly acceptable as a form of board clear in the situations that ETC would also be used. You don't always need the combo to play out Equality.

If you're against aggro if you use ETC you've probably just wasted your turn 6 not fully clearing the board which only puts more pressure on you as your oponent deals more free damage to you which is why in that scenario i'd rather have a Consecration even in a TGT meta which as we've seen probably isn't going to slow the game down too much to the point the 5th form of removal is needed.

On August 23 2015 06:35 Volband wrote:

Saying 5th would make sense in a Warrior deck, because Execute and Shield Slam almost certainly kills their targets, but Equality-Consecration is different. Once again, you created scenarios where Equality will always happen when you have some stuff on your board, and Consecration always drawn when your opponent only has 2 or less health creatures. Just no, don't do that. I mean, should I say now what if you opponent just shadowflamed your board and dropped down 2 Molten giants to a board with some more stuff on it already, and you have an Equality OR Consecration in your hand, but not both? Bam, ETC suddenly is the best card a Pally could wish for as a one off.

Anyway, ETC has the advantage of being almost the same as the combo, but in one card, while the other two cards are much more flexible. Kinda like Brawl and the 4 other removal in Warriors! Except you can actually control ETC, but even if you can't, why is that Warriors can run Brawl, or even two of them, but if Pally gets a Brawl is 2/10? Come the F on, Paladin can be so much more screwed than Warrior in removals. Sometimes you need to Equality or Consecrate for only one minion, because Paladin has no 3 mana hard removal nor a 2 mana deal 3 damage spell.

And as I mentioned earlier, Murlock Knight got a freakin' 2 (!!!) as well, when it can be as snowbally
as the Quartermaster-Muster combo, while Mysterious Challenger got a 6 (I do not even...), when it requires a gimmicky deck to begin with. Yeah, maybe Murlock Knight won't be played, because Shredder is a 10/10, so even if MK would be a 9,5/10, Shredder could still just force it into being unplayed, but giving it a 2 is just a very poor judgement.

The only thing which could save these ratings if this was a satire with some witty reasons as for why a perfectly nice fit into Midrange Pally gets a 2, while one of the most gimmicky class cards get a 6. Mysterious challenger is better than Healing wave!!!!!

On August 23 2015 06:37 Noidberg wrote:
Since paladin seems to be getting oddities like usual(unlike mages, blizzard loves mages sooo much) i will try and humor the new cards.

Competitive spirit is going to be in every aggro paladin replacing something slow like hammer. Its not all about the raw stats either rather the card brings utility protecting 1 health minions and extra burst early since it only costs 1 mana.

Seal of champions seems to me it only belongs in OTK paladin with shade of naxx. Midrange will not want to run it since it offers no health boost and aggro might use it over argent protector/coghammer/kings for more instant damage/stickyness.

Murloc Knight looks like crap at 4 health. The only way i see it working is with fencing coach in some weird murlocesk inspire deck.

Warhorse is a decent arena card and will grant mid range paladin value out of their muster before 5 mana.

Argent lance is just bad okay

Tuskar Jouster is an inferior healbot when you are counting on the heal and in control matchups an inferior 5 drop. The card looks cute(as in the picture) but its nothing special. I will experiment with it though even if its a card that tries to do 2 things at once.

Enter the coliseum might be what a big minion based control paladin needs to be viable.

Eadric the pure might be what a big minion based control paladin needs to be viable.

Challenger is junk at 6 mana for the deck it will have to run a ton of those lousey 1 mana secrets. Paladin does not have the draw to throw a bunch of filler cards in with a summoning sickness finisher. You are better off ditching the secret theme and playing an aggro paladin using that 6 mana to just end the game.

All in all and this is not exclusive to paladins the expansion offered a lot of what if cards that make new decks so lets hope the patron meta changes.

On August 23 2015 06:42 Drazerk wrote:


In the situation where you've just been shadowflamed and lost your board then got two Molten's against you if you can't deal with both Molten's you've probably lost. I'm not sure how spending 6 mana for essentially a BGH is worth it. You have to remember that a lot of the Warrior's minions come from its battlecry Value so they don't mind sacking the board as much as Paladins so who really want to take control of the board then win the game due to their lack of burst damage. They are very different classes with very different win conditions which is what you are forgetting.