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Faronel
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Epicfailguy
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Chuiu
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Shivaz
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Railxp
Hong Kong1313 Posts
On May 01 2009 04:42 dm47 wrote: + Show Spoiler + She actually had no control over his death if you think about it. When she was young, she killed a strange man on the island who walked into her camp. Once she found out this was her son, there was really nothing she could do about it. Granted, she later birthed him, but she knew that one day Daniel would end up there and she would kill him. What do you guys think about the whole, 'changing the past idea'. I've understood everything up until now, but I didn't really like this concept. Seemed under-explained and far-fetched to me. I hope they elaborate on it more in future episodes I suspect "The Others" have a goal which is to + Show Spoiler + change / get people out of the time loop, which is why Hawking + Widmore are willing to risk sacrifice their genius son's whole life just to send him back to "fix" things. But really, imo Faraday had no reason to point the gun at Richard, he could just as easily have talked them into giving it to him since he can do the whole "i know whats happening in the future" talk and prove it with jack/kate. Although that must be rough for Eloise knowing that she is sending her son back to be shot by herself. Its like....why did i fuck widmore in the first place again? And presumably that sob cheats on her too and so hes got Penny. Even though i love LOST a lot, i have to admit i dont really like them going down the cliche path of trying to break the time loop/change the past. But i guess that was inevitable when they introduced time travel. I love faraday, and would like to see the final piece of his puzzle (Teresa) eleborated on. Like do a full episode on what really happened. And PLEASE dont kill Miles him and Desmond are my favorite characters in the show. =*(*grumble grumble because it will probably happen once he uses his special abilities and satisfies his purpose* Looking forward to them explaining Jacob + four toed statue in future episodes, but sadly it probably won't happen in this season =( | ||
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Marine50
Australia1764 Posts
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MamiyaOtaru
United States1687 Posts
On May 01 2009 04:42 dm47 wrote: What do you guys think about the whole, 'changing the past idea'. I've understood everything up until now, but I didn't really like this concept. Seemed under-explained and far-fetched to me. I hope they elaborate on it more in future episodes I think they will try it (like daniel did) and will fail because they can't. What happened, happened, and we may get some more episodes where this becomes increasingly clear to them. On May 01 2009 06:12 Athos wrote: It's all very confusing, but I think they may well be able to make sense out of it. (Infinite loops still don't make any sense to me). What infinite loops? I've heard some people wondering about the compass richard gave locke gave richard etc etc zOMG, is that what you were thinking about? If so, that's pretty simple. Let's step through it chronologically. 1953: Locke shows up and gives Richard a compass. Richard: "iiinteresting, where'd this come from?" Locke: "you give it to me in the future". Richard: "..." Locke: "I'll be born soon, go check me out". Locke leaves. 1963: Richard goes to the mainland several years later and sees a young Locke and tests him by asking which objects are his. Among them is the compass. Locke picks it. This spooks Richard, so after he leaves he throws the compass into a fucking volcano. It's gone. 2003: Richard remembers he was supposed to give Locke a compass, so he goes to the compass factory and picks out a brand new shiny compass that looks just like the one he threw in the volcano. 2004: Richard gives his compass to Locke. Locke disappears to the past. No infinitely old compass. From the point of view of the compass, it was created in 2003, jumped back in time from 2004 to 1953, continued existing for another 10 years then was destroyed. One compass, finite age of 11 years. _______________________ Alternatively, Richard already had a compass when Locke gave him his. Richard now has two compasses: his original and a slightly older one given to him by Locke. 2004, he gives him the original. Now he only has the slightly older one given to him earlier by Locke. From the compasses point of view: it was created in 1850. In 2004 Richard gives compass A to John, who goes back in time with it. Locke gives it to Richard, who keeps it until 2135 when it is destroyed. Critical point being that between 1953 and 2004, Richard had two versions of the compass, just like how Jack was on the island in 1977 at the same time little Jack was on the mainland suffering through grade school. But there is only one compass, not stuck in a loop, with a finite age of 334 years. This one is harder to explain without a diagram, so just focus on the first scenario (the one with the volcano) if it bothers you. _______________________ edit: third possibility, basically a variation of scenario 1 1953: Locke gives a compass to Richard, tells Richard he will give the compass to Locke in the future. 2003: Richard decides he likes the compass and doesn't want to lose it to Locke, plus he wants to avoid tearing a hole in the universe by creating an infinitely old compass, so he buys a second one from the compass factory that is an exact duplicate of the one Locke gave him. 2004: He gives this new one to Locke, who goes back in time with it. For a year, there were two versions of the same compass in Richard's possession, one less than a year old, the other 50 years old. The 50 year old one stays with him. One compass, created in 2003, jumped back in time to 1953, then stayed with Richard into the 2130s. | ||
Klogon
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SoleSteeler
Canada5442 Posts
So disappointed Faraday died. He was my favourite character. | ||
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littlechava
United States7218 Posts
On May 02 2009 03:30 Klogon wrote: I think Miles is going to do something to piss of his dad, and that's why his dad is going to hate his newborn son. Maybe? I missed the part where Chang hates his son? Watch Miles' episode again, Chang clearly cared about him. On May 02 2009 07:15 SoleSteeler wrote: + Show Spoiler + So disappointed Faraday died. He was my favourite character. + Show Spoiler + He's not necessarily dead yet, given the nature of this show... | ||
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GGQ
Canada2653 Posts
Also, I'm not yet convinced that Daniel is dead, partially because of said video. We will see. | ||
micronesia
United States24700 Posts
Man, whenever I see a physicist get shot on network tv I die a little bit inside. | ||
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ktp
United States797 Posts
On May 02 2009 07:44 GGQ wrote: Also, I'm not yet convinced that Daniel is dead, partially because of said video. We will see. I'm hoping for a full revival of all dead Losties for the finaly. Daniel, Charlie, and even that dreaded Ethan! Then everyone does a bollywood-esque dance like at the end. | ||
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dm47
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On May 02 2009 08:22 micronesia wrote: I've never cared for the interpretation of time travel where... if you go back you can't change what would happen. Then again this is related to my belief that you can't actually go back in time like that. Man, whenever I see a physicist get shot on network tv I die a little bit inside. hmm, mind sharing what your interpretation of time travel is? I'm not being facetious I'm just interested =). Also, for this part, Then again this is related to my belief that you can't actually go back in time like that. could you explain what do you mean by 'like that'? I've always thought that if you could manage to go back in time, you couldn't change anything, because you had already experienced your 'future', or... your life back in the present day. If you did change something, then... it would be like a whole new timeline would develop, totally separate from the one that you had already experienced. Here's something I've thought about that sort of relates to this. You remember those things from Men In Black that would erase a person's memory? If your memory is erased, don't you automatically jump to the point in time after it's been erased? Like, say you're going in for a surgery, and the surgeon tells you that they're not using anesthesia and that it's going to hurt like hell, but you won't remember it afterwords. Should you, or should you NOT be nervous about the pain from the upcoming surgery? When he's telling you this, you're there, listening, in your present. Do you continue with that present, experience the pain, and then wake up just having a fuzzy patch from what the hell you did the day before? | ||
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micronesia
United States24700 Posts
On May 02 2009 08:34 dm47 wrote: By 'like that' I mean you suddenly jump to a time of the past (say, years ago) like it happened in lost. One second you are in the present day, and another you are in an earlier time. I don't believe it possible based on the properties of the physical universe.hmm, mind sharing what your interpretation of time travel is? I'm not being facetious I'm just interested =). Also, for this part, could you explain what do you mean by 'like that'? If you somehow could do it anyway, then I would go with the idea that you can change the future. For example, if you go back to the day of your birth and then kill yourself, the moment your younger self dies, you cease to exist. It's pretty ridiculous sounding, but that's okay because jumping back in time is just as ridiculous. Also your question about the surgery example is based on a very important topic in philosophy, I believe. | ||
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
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Railxp
Hong Kong1313 Posts
On May 02 2009 07:44 GGQ wrote: Also, I'm not yet convinced that Daniel is dead, partially because of said video. We will see. Lostpedia disagrees. + Show Spoiler + Looking at that character list and all the red around it. Prospects are looking grim for lapidus and miles. As well as widmore i suppose, but hes the antagonist so he must die anyways. Going on a tangent i'd suspect ben will die for lock at some point? lol all this talk about time travel reminds me of that indie RTS game from previous thread | ||
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Athos
United States2484 Posts
On May 02 2009 09:49 micronesia wrote: By 'like that' I mean you suddenly jump to a time of the past (say, years ago) like it happened in lost. One second you are in the present day, and another you are in an earlier time. I don't believe it possible based on the properties of the physical universe. If you somehow could do it anyway, then I would go with the idea that you can change the future. For example, if you go back to the day of your birth and then kill yourself, the moment your younger self dies, you cease to exist. It's pretty ridiculous sounding, but that's okay because jumping back in time is just as ridiculous. Also your question about the surgery example is based on a very important topic in philosophy, I believe. This is what I meant about infinite loops. Time travel is impossible for a damn good reason. | ||
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ktp
United States797 Posts
On May 02 2009 09:49 micronesia wrote: For example, if you go back to the day of your birth and then kill yourself, the moment your younger self dies, you cease to exist. It's pretty ridiculous sounding, but that's okay because jumping back in time is just as ridiculous. Aren't you just living out an alternate universe then? You are still alive, and you age normally, but its just that the baby version would not exist. | ||
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decafchicken
United States20023 Posts
On May 02 2009 12:20 ktp wrote: Aren't you just living out an alternate universe then? You are still alive, and you age normally, but its just that the baby version would not exist. if you already killed yourself in the past you wouldn't exist to kill yourself. | ||
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