EPTwhen ben dropped into the temple smokey formed into his daughter, although it possiabe that he was both john and bens daughter i doubt it.
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TryThis
Canada1522 Posts
when ben dropped into the temple smokey formed into his daughter, although it possiabe that he was both john and bens daughter i doubt it. | ||
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littlechava
United States7221 Posts
On May 15 2009 23:25 TryThis wrote: i dont know about smokey being mr.X when ben dropped into the temple smokey formed into his daughter, although it possiabe that he was both john and bens daughter i doubt it. It's already been established that the smoke monster can take the form of different people - think back to Eko's brother/Rousseau's crew I don't know if that means smoke monster = Mr. X = Locke, but Mr. X definitely IS Locke | ||
CaucasianAsian
Korea (South)11599 Posts
So smokey does two things, he manipulates people, coercing them into their 'destiny' by appearing as other people, and then just completely out right killing them by force. | ||
Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
On May 15 2009 14:57 talismania wrote: do people think the bomb really went off? I was under the impression that the white flash was probably just the emp-like electromagnetic event or something, but timed to look to the audience like it was the nuke. I dunno. Oh word, this is very possible. | ||
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CaucasianAsian
Korea (South)11599 Posts
I think the nuke went off, but with all of the mystery forces that are within the hatch canceled out the nuke, thus making it safe for the hatch to be finally made to what it was in previous seasons. | ||
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Chuiu
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Though I doubt it, Lost has always been consistent with the sounds that happen during certain events and all the sounds that happen during the white flashes aren't there. (unless they intentionally skipped them to trick us) | ||
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Epicfailguy
Norway893 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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cava
United States1035 Posts
On May 17 2009 02:27 zulu_nation8 wrote: so i was randomly thinking this last night, wasn't one of Ben's orders to kill Rousseau or her baby (or both? I forgot) but he ended up taking the baby and raising it as his own. Alex then died, in a way which made Ben feel guilty. Then Mr.X/Locke lead Ben to the temple and the smoke monster (which I'm pretty sure the fake Locke controls) was able to appear and convince Ben to follow Locke's orders. So was Jacob trying to prevent this by ordering Ben to kill Rousseau's baby because or else it would end in Ben stabbing him to death? And the possible loophole is that Ben has "feelings" or human sympathy or whatever which made him disobey Jacob's orders. Mr.X finds this loophole and manipulates it so that eventually Ben will kill Jacob. Thoughts? Very deep, but possible. I cant really think of any other reason for the others to want to murder innocent people. I was under the impression that it was Widmores orders because he has always seemed a bit unstable, but he could have been following the order of Jacob who knows. | ||
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Athos
United States2484 Posts
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cava
United States1035 Posts
On May 17 2009 02:53 Athos wrote: Does anybody know what happened to the passengers of 815 who got taken by the others in Season 1? Did they ever address that other than saying, "they're safe"? Thats a good question ... As far as I know they simply joined the others, or Richards people, but our main cast has made no mention of recognizing any of them so I have no idea actually. | ||
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GGQ
Canada2653 Posts
On May 17 2009 02:33 cava wrote: Very deep, but possible. I cant really think of any other reason for the others to want to murder innocent people. I was under the impression that it was Widmores orders because he has always seemed a bit unstable, but he could have been following the order of Jacob who knows. Yeah I thought those were Widmore's orders. Also, it was Ben who took Locke/X to see smokey, not the other way around, because Ben wanted to be judged. Regardless, I think X's loophole was that he managed to kill and take over the body of someone who was the island's 'leader' ie John Locke. | ||
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D10
Brazil3409 Posts
On May 17 2009 03:46 GGQ wrote: Yeah I thought those were Widmore's orders. Also, it was Ben who took Locke/X to see smokey, not the other way around, because Ben wanted to be judged. Regardless, I think X's loophole was that he managed to kill and take over the body of someone who was the island's 'leader' ie John Locke. My theory is that in the original cycle ben kills Widmores daughter therefor forcing desmond to go back to the island for revenge or w/e When ben failed to do that desmond failed to execute to a series of events that led to whats happening not happening before | ||
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EpiK
Korea (South)5757 Posts
On May 17 2009 02:27 zulu_nation8 wrote: so i was randomly thinking this last night, wasn't one of Ben's orders to kill Rousseau or her baby (or both? I forgot) but he ended up taking the baby and raising it as his own. Alex then died, in a way which made Ben feel guilty. Then Mr.X/Locke lead Ben to the temple and the smoke monster (which I'm pretty sure the fake Locke controls) was able to appear and convince Ben to follow Locke's orders. So was Jacob trying to prevent this by ordering Ben to kill Rousseau's baby because or else it would end in Ben stabbing him to death? And the possible loophole is that Ben has "feelings" or human sympathy or whatever which made him disobey Jacob's orders. Mr.X finds this loophole and manipulates it so that eventually Ben will kill Jacob. Thoughts? I don't think the fake Locke controls the smoke monster. When Ben told him as they were walking to Jacob that the smoke monster turned into his daughter the fake Locke looked genuinely surprised (there's no reason for him to fake it really). I agree that Ben has something to do with the loophole. It is clear that Jacob wanted the actual John Locke for some purpose: I'll say more about this theory later. Mr. X knew this and I think somehow manipulated certain factors in Locke's life to kill him: the suicide after the conflict with his dad, paralysis from that fall, and the second attempt at suicide after he gets off the island. These all failed however, and you see direct intervention by Jacob in the first suicide as he revives Locke. Mr. X finally "succeeds" however when Ben kills Locke. Therefore, Ben creates the loophole and Mr. X somehow comes into existence in the form of John Locke's body. Now, about what Jacob's purpose for Locke is... I don't think Locke will stay dead. He's way too significant of a character to kill off (boohoo Charlie died but he wasn't that important to the story honestly. Same with Sayiid. They both contributed to the story I guess but compared to Locke? Their deaths can be used as dramatic plot points without hurting the story.) I think Jacob knew he was going to be killed by Ben and intended for John to be his replacement. There's an ongoing message throughout the series about Locke being the leader of the island's people and the people and Richard the Fake Locke leads to see Jacob really believe this, but I think this message actually meant for him to be the puppeteer of everything, the position Jacob has. On May 15 2009 14:57 talismania wrote: do people think the bomb really went off? I was under the impression that the white flash was probably just the emp-like electromagnetic event or something, but timed to look to the audience like it was the nuke. I dunno. lol shit.. That's a good point. I guess it's more of a hope from the audience. It would be very depressing if she had died for nothing =/ | ||
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SoleSteeler
Canada5472 Posts
About Richard. Since he's Spanish, and the Black Rock ship that we see at the start is said to be a Spanish galleon, then Richard - as Ricardos - is likely on that ship, and that's where the two of them meet. I can't wait to see what goes on with that beginning scene, namely the whole "this is what always happens" type lines, with people coming to - probably - exploit the island. Much like Widmore, Ben, etc. have been saying over the past while. Also, as Jacob is dying, "they're coming ..." is a great line. Who, I wonder? Hmmm. Fuck I love this show! Too bad about Juliette though! Really shitty. Well, they may all be  But we know that wouldn't happen.I expect Sayid to be dead, at least; his usefulness to the story is past. I'm still waiting to find out about Libby's past ... | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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cava
United States1035 Posts
A list of most / all of losts mysteries. The one thing that I had not connected until I read the blast door map mystery was that radzinsky (the dharma tortuerer and the guy who wanted to keep drilling in the finale) was the original inhabitant of the hatch and he started the map that Locke saw in season 2. The storyline in lost is so complex its hard to keep it straight. | ||
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EpiK
Korea (South)5757 Posts
On May 18 2009 12:31 cava wrote: http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Portal:Mysterious A list of most / all of losts mysteries. The one thing that I had not connected until I read the blast door map mystery was that radzinsky (the dharma tortuerer and the guy who wanted to keep drilling in the finale) was the original inhabitant of the hatch and he started the map that Locke saw in season 2. The storyline in lost is so complex its hard to keep it straight. holy shit thanks for sharing this.. I completely forgot about that guy. | ||
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Malongo
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